Just curious, can i do this.

[mattonline]

OK, well i own the forum http://entrepreneurforum.co.uk , and i'm just curious as to whether i can take legal action on the owner of the .com version, if i register my site as a company? as i really want it but they have pushed there prices up every 6months from when i asked first, first it was $2000 then $3000 now $4000 i mean i think there getting trafic from my domain,there domain is just parked nothing on it or anything.


Where do i stand here? there domain was reg'd before mine (couple of years)

thanks in advance.

 

[labrocca]

Where do i stand here? there domain was reg'd before mine (couple of years)

Maybe you should have paid the $2000. Come to think of it...you might want to pay the $4000. Looking at your own forum it only has 5k posts...hardly a success. Obtain the dotcom if you can with an offer.

Your chances at WIPO are slim imho. The name is generic for usage. Tell ya the truth I might consider buying the dotcom myself. It's a great name and if it's getting traffic all the better.

 

[mattonline]

well the domain only gets a little traffic, and when the 2k offer came through i was too young and didn't have the money, and 4k is over priced for that name IMO its probs more than 4k now anyways probs like 10k or 15k if your lucky, they put stupid prices on things.
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i was right its now currently at 10k??

http://dotcomagency.com/sitepages/quote.asp?name=entrepreneurforum.com

how do they think they can sell at that price??

 

[Devil_Dog]

well the domain only gets a little traffic, and when the 2k offer came through i was too young and didn't have the money, and 4k is over priced for that name IMO its probs more than 4k now anyways probs like 10k or 15k if your lucky, they put stupid prices on things.
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Haha, can't believ i was right its now currently at 10k lol

http://dotcomagency.com/sitepages/quote.asp?name=entrepreneurforum.com

how do they think they can sell at that price??

Who are you to determine what they can sell their name for? If they wanted to put a trillion dollar pricetag on it, they have the right to do so.

You don't have a leg to stand on either way since it was regged before yours.

 

[mattonline]

well not getting into anargument, im not determining there prices, just saying IMO i dont know any end user who will buy that domain at 10k ?

 

[flamewalker]

Seeing as the term is generic for the usage, I don't think you have grounds for a tm, registered or not.

You are probably right, it may not sell at $10k... but some people reach for the stars... and just sit there reaching forever :p

Never know...

 

[ashaw]

Matt...Its people like you, that may one day ruin this industry. Dont be mad just because they have champagne, and your stuck with beer.

 

[mattonline]

lol im not being rude to them, its up to them what prices they want to set, i know. But if you list a domain for sale you must do it realistically, im not going to complain muh about the high prices as it doesn't concern me its there loss if they can't sell it for that price, also they have the ability to set it at that price as they have some real generic domains like 2letter.coms so there probs not in a hurry to sell.

But thats just my opinion is that they will never sell there domain if they keep over pricing it.

Matt...Its people like you, that may one day ruin this industry. Dont be mad just because they have champagne, and your stuck with beer.

How can i ruin the industry, they only people who will ruin the industry is the people who bring out new TLD's every year such as .asia and .mobi, etc

and i prefer beer TBH

 

[Ronald Regging]

10k isn't completely unrealistic... I mean, I don't know if anyone would pay that much for it, but the figure in general is not unrealistic. It's not like they're asking a million bucks for it.

It's a realistic starting price for negotiating purposes...

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

OK, well i own the forum http://entrepreneurforum.co.uk , and i'm just curious as to whether i can take legal action on the owner of the .com version, if i register my site as a company? as i really want it but they have pushed there prices up every 6months when i ask, first it was $2000 then $3000 now $4000 i mean i think there getting trafic from my domain,there domain is just parked nothing on it or anything.


Where do i stand here? there domain was reg'd before mine (couple of years)

thanks in advance.

Matt,

If you register a company, presumably in the UK, then how would that help you in a WIPO or a TM infringement claim? Its a generic term and a good one! Well done for regging the .co.uk version.

Would you think its fair if the .com people regged a company in the US and came after you in a WIPO? I think they would have an equally poor chance of winning.

Good luck

Pommy

 

[mattonline]

pommyg thanks for the reply, i was just curious thats all, its not a big deal that i can't get hold of the .com version, my sites going well as it is, and by the recent sale of ukbusinessforums.co.uk who knows

Thanks for the replys all.

 

[drjeff]

Why dont you send them an offer for $1000 and see what happens.

Just because they are ASKING 10,000 if a real-money-offer arrives they may reconsider or at least renegotiate - personally, if I owned that name and you showed up at my door offering $1,000 you'd end up owning it.

My 2 cents worth.

-Jeff

 

[mattonline]

yeh i've offered up to 1500 for it i think a few months back or a year ago when it was at 2000 but they rejected, there very firm with there bids on that domain.

 

[DNQuest.com]

""and i'm just curious as to whether i can take legal action on the owner of the .com version, if i register my site as a company?""

I am sure the phrase "Reverse Hijacking" would be raised

 

[xman]

""and i'm just curious as to whether i can take legal action on the owner of the .com version, if i register my site as a company?""

I am sure the phrase "Reverse Hijacking" would be raised

That's what comes to my mind when I read his post.

REVERSE HIJACKING

 

[labrocca]

I feel bad for people like Matt that want a domain name for a legitimate purpose and the domain is being held by an unscrupulous domainer that just wants to make a buck. This is why that Snowe Bill is floating around and might get passed. Ordinary people are tired of finding the good domains taken and not even used. The internet wasn't created to create wealth for cyber squatters. I am sure what I am saying is blasphemy to many domainers but too bad.

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

I feel bad for people like Matt that want a domain name for a legitimate purpose and the domain is being held by an unscrupulous domainer that just wants to make a buck. This is why that Snowe Bill is floating around and might get passed. Ordinary people are tired of finding the good domains taken and not even used. The internet wasn't created to create wealth for cyber squatters. I am sure what I am saying is blasphemy to many domainers but too bad.

Where's the evidence that the .com owner is unscrupulous? He may wish to develop it in the future. He may wish to recoup the years and years of reg fees that he has put into owning that domain name + cost of capital+ risk + entrepreneurial rewards.

Where does wealth come from? If its land, in most places it has simply been seized over the years from various peoples. The internet represents the first occasion in history when resources have been allocated on some sort of system rather than brute force, war and pillage. See various ongoing conflicts around the world for evidence.

Its great that Matt wants a genuine use for the .com version, but what if he paid $2000 and someone else wanted to buy it from him in ten years time? Would he be labelled a squatter for asking $4000 then or even $10000?

 

[Devil_Dog]

I feel bad for people like Matt that want a domain name for a legitimate purpose and the domain is being held by an unscrupulous domainer that just wants to make a buck. This is why that Snowe Bill is floating around and might get passed. Ordinary people are tired of finding the good domains taken and not even used. The internet wasn't created to create wealth for cyber squatters. I am sure what I am saying is blasphemy to many domainers but too bad.

Blasphemy. You know what, I'm in the process of opening up a Fitness Gym Directory on the web, and I do believe I have rights to gyms.com, I think I'll go ahead and sue the. I mean, who do they think they are registering that name and just sitting on it doing nothing, the nerve of them! /sarcasm

 

[labrocca]

Where's the evidence that the .com owner is unscrupulous? He may wish to develop it in the future.

You want evidence:
http://whois.domaintools.com/entrepreneurforum.com

Registered since 2004 and the guy has $35 into the reg fees (if that). Gets contacted about purchase and wants $2k..fine. Then gets contacted 6 months later and asks $3k. Time goes on and the price continues to rise. Now it's $10k. What value add has the current owner given to the domain to ask such a price? I think 4 years is enough time to at least place up a coming-soon holder page don't you?

Domainers as a whole think a domain registration gives them god-given all rights on the domain. It's a lease my brothers. It's not yours. The registrar is allowing you to use it. One day I hope soon the Snowe bill gets passed. The end of squatting is near.

I do believe I have rights to gyms.com, I think I'll go ahead and sue the. I mean, who do they think they are registering that name and just sitting on it doing nothing, the nerve of them!

I agree and no...not sarcasm. Parking companies have ruined the internet. If they didn't exist there wouldn't be easy revenue streams for major portfolio holders and many domains would probably be in the hands of people that actually make use of the name.

Domainers assume incorrectly that registration means ownership. It doesn't. It's more of a stewardship and parking isn't proper care of a domain.

http://www.answers.com/stewardship?nafid=3

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

You want evidence:
http://whois.domaintools.com/entrepreneurforum.com

Registered since 2004 and the guy has $35 into the reg fees (if that). Gets contacted about purchase and wants $2k..fine. Then gets contacted 6 months later and asks $3k. Time goes on and the price continues to rise. Now it's $10k. What value add has the current owner given to the domain to ask such a price? I think 4 years is enough time to at least place up a coming-soon holder page don't you?

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I agree and no...not sarcasm. Parking companies have ruined the internet. If they didn't exist there wouldn't be easy revenue streams for major portfolio holders and many domains would probably be in the hands of people that actually make use of the name.

http://www.answers.com/stewardship?nafid=3

In that case, anyone owning undeveloped land, houses they dont live in, cars they dont use, cans of hot dogs they dont eat, gardens they dont care for, car parking lot owners period should give up these assets. That sounds like communism to me. And my view is that we do own the domain names, otherwise, we couldnt sell them.