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[VisionEdger]

I am sure you have all seen the HUGE amount of mobis for sale on this site alone that get ZERO interest ESPECIALLY from other domainers who imho the majority seem like a cagey lot to say the least. It looks like a large number of mobi domain collectors should join the mobi museum and place those domain trophies on the shelf to collect more dust. The domains look great on paper/digitized but no one cares to use them for practical use.

Unless they are the atypical generic dictionary words or some LLL or NNN mobi domain that cross over from .com and .net. The only interest in mobis now adays is for the rare stuff. So what good is the rest of the junk? Many will say give it time to develop and mature. All that will become of most of these mobis is that they will never get re-regged and the initial owner will have lost a ton of money. Mind you alot of people that think they are domainersd have no clue how to create domains from what I have determined as well. There should be lessons given on how to create domains from the crap I have seen in ALL ext that is and not just mobi of course.

There seems to be an awful lot of positive signs towards mobis success but the majority of domainers will NEVER gain that success due to this incestuous domain business. Sure develop a mobi site and maybe like camera.mobi, tickets.mobi or dir.mobi wil be a hit. Big deal. What about moms cookies.mobi, dadslawncutting.mobi as bad examples ( much better than some of the crap I see tho), who cares about such mobi domains? The only reason the ext is getting hyped is beacuse of the recent auctions for the few hot words. If you dont own flowers.mobi, or whatever generic then you MUST develop and if you dont your mobis are virtually worth zip, nada.

PS: All you mobi dogooders. Now dont go telling me my attitude sucks or all I do is complain. I have researched this business for some time and i KNOW what I see. This industry is designed to set up the suckers (yes like me too) , take their $$$$ and then let the top guys clean up while the little guy finances it for them.

What this comes down to is ALOT of people regging or buying in aftermarket (for some unknow reason) crap names at zero value hoping some other sucker will buy it from them so they can deal with it.

It looks like alot of mobiers are quick to take the bait and just got harpooned imho . Thar she blows capt, refering to OUR blown $$$$$!!!

 

[Keith]

So tell us what the point of this post is??

 

[binaryman]

HUH?

 

[newdomainer.mobi]

Lets edit that shall we Vision Edger?


I am sure you have all seen the HUGE amount of domains for sale on the forums that get ZERO interest ESPECIALLY from other domainers who imho the majority seem like a cagey lot to say the least. It looks like a large number of domain collectors should join the domain museum and place those domain trophies on the shelf to collect more dust. The domains look great on paper/digitized but no one cares to use them for practical use.

Unless they are the atypical generic dictionary words or some LLL or NNN domain using one of the more popular TLD's the only interest in domains now adays is for the viable stuff (there is no such thing as a rare domain as all domains are by default 'unique'.
So what good is the rest of the junk? Many will say give it time to develop and mature. All that will become of most of these domains is that they will never get re-regged and the initial owner will have lost a ton of money. Mind you alot of people that think they are domainersd have no clue how to create domains from what I have determined as well. There should be lessons given on how to create domains from the crap I have seen in ALL extensions including dotmobi of course

There seems to be an awful lot of positive signs towards mobis success but the majority of domainers will NEVER gain that success due to this incestuous domain business. Sure develop a mobi site and maybe like camera.mobi, tickets.mobi or dir.mobi wil be a hit. Big deal. What about moms cookies.mobi, dadslawncutting.mobi as bad examples ( much better than some of the crap I see tho), who cares about such mobi domains apart from the people who have registered them, the people who have developed them & the people who use them?
One of the reasons the ext is getting hyped is beacuse of the recent auctions for the few hot words. If you dont own flowers.mobi, or whatever generic then you should consider developing and if you dont your mobis are may not achieve their potential value.

PS: All you mobi dogooders. Now dont go telling me my attitude sucks or all I do is complain. I have researched this business for some time and i KNOW what I see. This industry is designed to set up the suckers (yes like me too) , take their $$$$ and then let the top guys clean up while the little guy finances it for them.

What this comes down to is ALOT of people regging or buying in aftermarket (for some unknow reason) crap names at zero value hoping some other sucker will buy it from them so they can deal with it.

It looks like alot of domainers are quick to take the bait and just got harpooned imho . Thar she blows capt, refering to OUR blown $$$$$!!!

But with 10x the number of dotcoms registered than dotmobi's it stands to reason that there are probably 10x the number of appallingly bad dotcom domains registered... given time their may be as many dotmobis registered and therefore it stands to reason that there will be a similar number of awful dotmobi registrations too.

VisionEdger.... I think maybe you are underestimating the potential of dotmobi, I do not take offence at your comments; broadly speaking I agree with much of what you say.
However, you seem to lack vision (which is somewhat ironic don't you think?)
A mobile website can be used by anyone or any business to serve an almost infinite number of purposes.

Try me!

Give me a business - any business & I will suggest what they could use a dotmobi (or any for that matter) MOBILE site for....

I have yet to find any business with a desk-top presence that doesn't have a logical purpose for a mobile site; the choice of extension is the same as for desktop so we won't go into that argument as we'll end up discussing dotnet, dottv, all the cc's etc etc..

Gary

 

[gou]

Who cares what happens in the aftermarket. The success of this extension won't be determined by the number of sales.

 

[newdomainer.mobi]

Who cares what happens in the aftermarket. The success of this extension won't be determined by the number of sales.

Gou, you are quite right indeed, however what you say is true of all extensions other than dotcom dotnet dotorg dotinfo & country codes... the only difference being that dotcom is one of many global TLD's & is at the top of that ever growing heap... whereas dotmobi is THE ONLY global TLD for mobile devices that can also be readily used for the desktop... so whilst dotmobi may not compete well on dotcoms home pitch, it has the heads up on away games

 

[-REECE-]

I was pmed yesterday to sell 4 of my health .mobis to another domainer very interested in health .mobis for $600.. There are buyers out there willing to pay good money for people willing to sell at reasonable rates. I've seen alot of people asking $XXXX for 2-3 word combinations and that's just not going to happen with a fledgling tld. Maybe not the "get-rich quick" returns some people were expecting, but I'm more than happy to sell names I registered at regfee post-landrush for $XXX.

As someone still sitting on almost 300 .mobis, I'm quite happy with how things have played out so far. I've just about broken even (including renewals) so far and have many aftermarket purchases which won't be gracing this forum anytime soon. The most important thing to consider imho is that there is a limited number of buyers out there for multi-word .mobis or .mobis that don't form good words. Selling at a loss doesn't mean you're a bad domainer either... It means you realized that you made a mistake and are moving on. I made the mistake of registering a few .mobis outside my health niche that didn't really have much of a market and resold most of them for $5-$40.. Better than nothing

Some of these same domainers holding out for $1000, $2000, etc will in the end drop their domains out of frustration when instead they should be reducing their price. Why someone would drop their domain rather than accept an offer for considerably more than renewal costs, I do not know, but I've seen it happen more than a few times over the years...

 

[mjnels]

welcome to the beginning of "the great .mobi domainer depression."

grab a surfboard... :wave:

 

[-REECE-]

I just might have to open the wallet if sex.mobi comes on the market for under 100k anytime soon :D

Love the sig by the way... Please keep it there for 5+ years :lol:

welcome to the beginning of "the great .mobi domainer depression."

grab a surfboard... :wave:

 

[NewWorldArk]

welcome to the beginning of "the great .mobi domainer depression."

grab a surfboard... :wave:

that is absolutely hilarious mj =)

That surfboard is quite the sight to see isn't it.

ahh the memories.

 

[mjnels]

im serious about "the great .mobi domainer depression of 2008"... it will be a fun and interesting ride... of course this ".mobi domainer depression" as i call it, is only within the aftermarket.. which as gou mentioned means nothing to the longterm viability of the TLD.

lots of factors that made it inevitable.. bad regs, unrealistic expectations, tons of "premium name" auctions, drops/renewals coming up for the 1st time (junk dump), etc, etc.. and some would argue the recent Sedo auction disaster didnt help.


meanwhile, outside the aftermarket another person has just said they heard FoxNews.mobi advertised on a newscast... i wasnt sure at first if the original poster was just BS'ing...

http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/438722-wow.html

 

[Keith]

im serious about "the great .mobi domainer depression of 2008"... it will be a fun and interesting ride... of course this ".mobi domainer depression" as i call it, is only within the aftermarket.. which as gou mentioned means nothing to the longterm viability of the TLD.

lots of factors that made it inevitable.. bad regs, unrealistic expectations, tons of "premium name" auctions, drops/renewals coming up for the 1st time (junk dump), etc, etc.. and some would argue the recent Sedo auction disaster didnt help.


meanwhile, outside the aftermarket another person has just said they heard FoxNews.mobi advertised on a newscast... i wasnt sure at first if the original poster was just BS'ing...

http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/438722-wow.html

That poster was not bs'ing. Members of other forums have verified
this to be true!

 

[newdomainer.mobi]

Who's depressed?

I'd rather keep the names I have because most of them I believe in... of course I may have a clean-out from time to time & when I do I'd rather give them away to other forum members who have always been quickest to help out with any queries etc..
I know this may sound daft to some of you but if I hold out for $1,000 and only have a tiny strike rate that still beats selling them at $40...
you need the numbers to cover the odds... end users can't be found for the majority of names within any short period of time so you have to wait... if I sell 50 for $40 that's $2,000 (plus quite a lot of time & effort) whereas If I sell one for $2,000 I'm still in clover...

BUT the difference (& this is where I don't get the sell 'em cheap mentality)
If I sell 1 for $2,000 I still have another 49 in my portfolio! whereas the other guy doesn't....
So next year, the odds are that I may sell another 1 domain.... for $2,000

Then pay my 48 renewals til next year.... & sell another for $2,000

& the next year I reg 3 more for $21 renew the other 47... & I'm back to 50 strong

Then I sell another 1 domain for $2,000....

Can you see where this is going?

I don't need to sell my domains anytime soon... all this anxiety based selling plays straight into the hands of a marketeer..

Of course, this is a numbers game & I have only sold 8 names in the last 6 months whilst I have doubled my portfolio to over 3,000 names..

So I sold 1 name in 375 that works out at an annualised rate of sales equivalent to 0.53% of my portfolio sold per annum...

those 8 names have sold for around $9,000 collectively... that's just Whois enquiries & a sale to a fellow domainer.. I haven't even started to warm up yet!

I would anticipate selling 5% per annum once I get into the swing of things... thats 150 names per annum
In other words, every year I am planning on failing to sell 95% of my portfolio!

But that will nett an average of $150,000 if I maintain my average of $1,000 per sale.

If I even sell them at my bottom limit of $500 thats still $75,000

(the cost of renewing 3,000 domains = $25,000 max)

That's without development, thats without any 'super sales' - and I have projected to sell at least 2.5% of my portfolio at $10,000 or above another 5% at $5,000 or above plus any number $2,000 plus sales...

It's not how quickly you can sell that matters, its how long you can wait & having a decent game plan that will lead to success.

Anyone care to tell me where I'm going wrong here?

 

[VisionEdger]

Who's depressed?

I'd rather keep the names I have because most of them I believe in... of course I may have a clean-out from time to time & when I do I'd rather give them away to other forum members who have always been quickest to help out with any queries etc..
I know this may sound daft to some of you but if I hold out for $1,000 and only have a tiny strike rate that still beats selling them at $40...
you need the numbers to cover the odds... end users can't be found for the majority of names within any short period of time so you have to wait... if I sell 50 for $40 that's $2,000 (plus quite a lot of time & effort) whereas If I sell one for $2,000 I'm still in clover...

BUT the difference (& this is where I don't get the sell 'em cheap mentality)
If I sell 1 for $2,000 I still have another 49 in my portfolio! whereas the other guy doesn't....
So next year, the odds are that I may sell another 1 domain.... for $2,000

Then pay my 48 renewals til next year.... & sell another for $2,000

& the next year I reg 3 more for $21 renew the other 47... & I'm back to 50 strong

Then I sell another 1 domain for $2,000....

Can you see where this is going?

I don't need to sell my domains anytime soon... all this anxiety based selling plays straight into the hands of a marketeer..

Of course, this is a numbers game & I have only sold 8 names in the last 6 months whilst I have doubled my portfolio to over 3,000 names..

So I sold 1 name in 375 that works out at an annualised rate of sales equivalent to 0.53% of my portfolio sold per annum...

those 8 names have sold for around $9,000 collectively... that's just Whois enquiries & a sale to a fellow domainer.. I haven't even started to warm up yet!

I would anticipate selling 5% per annum once I get into the swing of things... thats 150 names per annum
In other words, every year I am planning on failing to sell 95% of my portfolio!

But that will nett an average of $150,000 if I maintain my average of $1,000 per sale.

If I even sell them at my bottom limit of $500 thats still $75,000

(the cost of renewing 3,000 domains = $25,000 max)

That's without development, thats without any 'super sales' - and I have projected to sell at least 2.5% of my portfolio at $10,000 or above another 5% at $5,000 or above plus any number $2,000 plus sales...

It's not how quickly you can sell that matters, its how long you can wait & having a decent game plan that will lead to success.

Anyone care to tell me where I'm going wrong here?

anxiety based selling is exactly what the majority of domainers will and are doing especially when $$$ is tight and they tied all their assest up in domains.

seems like a sound plan if you have the time and funds to ride it out.

Who cares what happens in the aftermarket. The success of this extension won't be determined by the number of sales.

what does that mean? so flowers.mobi or tickets .mobi has no bearing on aftermarket values? so with that said these sales mean that they have no relation to other mobis values and that in turn leads to mean that any other mobis have no or little value when compared to the top sellers? explain.

 

[mobite]

mobi

I'm selling all my mobi stuff that I got at a landrush.

My small mobi portfolio is waaaay more valuable than most folks who collect mobis. And even that is pittance. I never get a good price for any of the generic mobis either here or anywhere else. This tld was dead on arrival (DOA)

:hi:

 

[VisionEdger]

I'm selling all my mobi stuff that I got at a landrush.

My small mobi portfolio is waaaay more valuable than most folks who collect mobis. And even that is pittance. I never get a good price for any of the generic mobis either here or anywhere else. This tld was dead on arrival (DOA)

:hi:

sad scenario. this ext like all new ones will suck the $$$$ out of the everyday domainer who r hoping to be an RS wannabe. I was pumped on this ext now am fed up. its a waste of time and $$.

 

[snoop]

The domains look great on paper/digitized but no one cares to use them for practical use.

Open you eyes! Everyone is going mad for .mobi, High School Musical 2 just came out on a .mobi domain and Microsoft even mentioned the msn.mobi as an alternate way of getting to their mobile site. Don't get me mad or I'll list the 20 fortune 100,000 companies who are using .mobi domains!

 

[gou]

what does that mean? so flowers.mobi or tickets .mobi has no bearing on aftermarket values? so with that said these sales mean that they have no relation to other mobis values and that in turn leads to mean that any other mobis have no or little value when compared to the top sellers? explain.

Those two sales don't mean much at all; purchases made by Rick only reflect his perspective on the extension. Sales in the aftermarket will increase as more people adopt the extension, not the other way around.

 

[acc]

I'm selling all my mobi stuff that I got at a landrush.

My small mobi portfolio is waaaay more valuable than most folks who collect mobis. And even that is pittance. I never get a good price for any of the generic mobis either here or anywhere else. This tld was dead on arrival (DOA)

:hi:

Care to share the specific names that you claim have such value but no value at the same time? And please include the required pricing that will enable you to rid yourself of such a burden. We may collectively be able to provide your "pittance" and that will allow you to become a happy domainer once again.

Thanks.
.

 

[newdomainer.mobi]

Care to share the specific names that you claim have such value but no value at the same time? And please include the required pricing that will enable you to rid yourself of such a burden. We may collectively be able to provide your "pittance" and that will allow you to become a happy domainer once again.

Thanks.
.

Count me in acc... I'll happily receive a PM list for my consideration, if you think this extension is dead you'd better act fast before me & acc find out as we may buy your names just in the nick of time

(personally calling Dotmobi Doa is a bit like dismissing the internet in 1988 - I think you need to give it a bit more time - I bet you weren't much good at anything at 18months old