It's Hard to buy good name now.

[GeorgeQuang]

Hey everyone, i'm just a rookie. I started investing in Domain late - 2017, so i just have a small portfolio ( about 400 domains). Recently, i realized that it's too hard to buy a good name now. Why ?
1> GoDaddy Expired Auctions : as you know, HugeDomains gets 40% -50% good domains, 20-30% will belong to big players ( who has big pocket - huge capital to burn), and the rest belong to us. You can see some names below with their prices.
ensureit.com $175
searchmind.com $295
deyde.com $215
ablepower.com $425
aceadvisory.com $117
innovacenter.com $120
bellecreative.com $127
crownalliance.com $127
corptex.com $273
2> Dropped List : nowaday, we can't find many high quality domain names on dropped list because of the increasing of Drop Catching systems.
- With individual domainers: they prefer to pay 59$-79$ for the name that they think it good enough than wait and reg it on Dropped List.
- With Domain Companies: they have their own Registers, so that they can catch expired names quickly. And the rest in Dropped list almost are junks.
3> Auctions : people now become crazy in bidding war. They are willing to pay more and more money for a name that has bids despite its quality. If you want to get a good one, you must pay more 30-40% than before.
Domain's price now is crazy.
So what do you think ?

 

[toughdomains]

still many good names out there however I do feel you need to spend for them...buy 5 great names for 1500 rather than 50 hand regs....the problem is our definition of great

 

[.X.]

@GeorgeQuang

It sounds like you are seeking income right now, You need to audit your complete situation if domaining is going to be your soul source of income, IMO.

I would consider complete development with about four names, open up some of your income sources, Use multiple streams of potential income options on your websites, Adsense+Chikita, Amazon, Ebay - EPN, Shareasale network, and the list goes on,

No need to depend on Google search traffic, I wouldn't, but if you do use an advertising network like adwords, or PPC advertising, Use alternate keywords and keep your weekly budget at a bare minimum.

Best Of Luck to ya George!

 

[GeorgeQuang]

still many good names out there however I do feel you need to spend for them...buy 5 great names for 1500 rather than 50 hand regs....the problem is our definition of great

@GeorgeQuang

It sounds like you are seeking income right now, You need to audit your complete situation if domaining is going to be your soul source of income, IMO.

I would consider complete development with about four names, open up some of your income sources, Use multiple streams of potential income options on your websites, Adsense+Chikita, Amazon, Ebay - EPN, Shareasale network, and the list goes on,

No need to depend on Google search traffic, I wouldn't, but if you do use an advertising network like adwords, or PPC advertising, Use alternate keywords and keep your weekly budget at a bare minimum.

Best Of Luck to ya George!

Thanks so much for your comments.
Yes, as i told before, it's hard to find a good name for a rookie who has tiny limited capital like me ( and many fellows here).
If you have 30k 40k 50k, you still buy good names and flip them quickly.
But if you don't have more money, it's a huge problem.
The quality of Dropped Domains is poorest now.
The prices of Drop Catching platforms are increasing.
The prices to win in Auctions are higher than it used to be.
And all these problems create barriers for newcomer ( in the other hand, it's good for old players, right? )
I'm trying to catch as many quality domains in my range capital as possible
Thanks all for following this thread

 

[Kuffy]

I'm trying to catch as many quality domains in my range capital as possible

You need to be careful with this. Everybody has a different perception of "quality", and it is the end user's perception that matters. I'm often surprised by some of the names posted in some of the threads here, and I suspect some people are surprised by the names I choose.

 

[jamaltq]

Hey everyone, i'm just a rookie. I started investing in Domain late - 2017, so i just have a small portfolio ( about 400 domains). Recently, i realized that it's too hard to buy a good name now. Why ?
1> GoDaddy Expired Auctions : as you know, HugeDomains gets 40% -50% good domains, 20-30% will belong to big players ( who has big pocket - huge capital to burn), and the rest belong to us. You can see some names below with their prices.
ensureit.com $175
searchmind.com $295
deyde.com $215
ablepower.com $425
aceadvisory.com $117
innovacenter.com $120
bellecreative.com $127
crownalliance.com $127
corptex.com $273
2> Dropped List : nowaday, we can't find many high quality domain names on dropped list because of the increasing of Drop Catching systems.
- With individual domainers: they prefer to pay 59$-79$ for the name that they think it good enough than wait and reg it on Dropped List.
- With Domain Companies: they have their own Registers, so that they can catch expired names quickly. And the rest in Dropped list almost are junks.
3> Auctions : people now become crazy in bidding war. They are willing to pay more and more money for a name that has bids despite its quality. If you want to get a good one, you must pay more 30-40% than before.
Domain's price now is crazy.
So what do you think ?

It is not hard to buy good name, it is to understand what is the good name.

 

[baseballworld]

Its not hard if you know what your looking for. I have no issues finding names ever.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

It is not hard to buy good name, it is to understand what is the good name.

I think what OP is trying to say is people with limited capital like him and most of the other domainers, it's difficult to buy good number of domains along with quality and as the time passing by, more funds are required as compare to past.

On the other hand, I agree with you too of buying good name is not hard but when you have $$$ to spend

 

[Sinh]

There are so many newbies who are buying like crazy, they just want to acquire the domains and they don't know how hard to resell what they have bought with high prices like that.

 

[Kate]

I am reviewing this thread again

Hey everyone, i'm just a rookie. I started investing in Domain late - 2017, so i just have a small portfolio ( about 400 domains).

400 domains is indeed a 'small' portfolio for a domainer, but it could be smaller than that. Renewals are expensive, considering that maybe 1% of the inventory will sell per year.

And you say you started in 2017, I assume March from your registration date. So in less than 6 months time you have already accumulated a lot of domains. I haven't seen them but I am not sure they are good enough. When you're starting out, you try to make up for being late and you end up sniping everything that moves and in no time you have a bloated portfolio
My suggestion would be to trim the portfolio by renewal time, perhaps keep a dozen domains only. If you pay only $100 or $200 in renewal fees per year, then you have more disposable income to buy better domains.
Many domainers are paying more in renewal fees, than they make in domain sales. You don't want to be in that situation.

Quality > quantity.
I think the big problem often is not find the good names, but boils down to management of available funds.

 

[Elad n]

Only one advice from me.
Many trends are going up and down like the waves..

Try to look at A when everyone is focusing on B
Its harder now for everyone but you can still find great catches.

E

 

[boker]

I am reviewing this thread again


400 domains is indeed a 'small' portfolio for a domainer, but it could be smaller than that. Renewals are expensive, considering that maybe 1% of the inventory will sell per year.

And you say you started in 2017, I assume March from your registration date. So in less than 6 months time you have already accumulated a lot of domains. I haven't seen them but I am not sure they are good enough. When you're starting out, you try to make up for being late and you end up sniping everything that moves and in no time you have a bloated portfolio
My suggestion would be to trim the portfolio by renewal time, perhaps keep a dozen domains only. If you pay only $100 or $200 in renewal fees per year, then you have more disposable income to buy better domains.
Many domainers are paying more in renewal fees, than they make in domain sales. You don't want to be in that situation.

Quality > quantity.
I think the big problem often is not find the good names, but boils down to management of available funds.

You are right saying that when' you're starting out, you try to make up for being late and you end up sniping everything that moves and in no time you have a bloated portfolio' and that the average sale through rate is 1-2%. Let's assume he will have only a dozen names, how many years he will need to make a profit out of them? Probably 5-10 years, considering the average sale through rate. And considering that the average sale is around low to mid xxxx, so he will invest around 1-2k for acquisition and renewals for 5 years and he could make 2-4k on average, after 5 years. Doesn't sound like the best investment. Also, considering a low volume, he will not learn to mush in that time. I think a better way for him could be to flip closeout and hand reg's for 100-200$, like this he can have liquidity, can make a little profit from the beginning and can learn a lot through volumes.

 

[Kpett]

Yeah, I probably registered too many names when I started, and not all of them were great. But from what I've read, my story isn't too unlike most everybody else when getting started. I don't even want to think about how many hours I spent reading and learning - if I do the math on an hourly basis, I could have easily made more $ doing just about anything else. So I'm more careful now about what I buy or register - there will always be good names - its knowing which ones will make a profit in the future that's the trick.

 

[GeorgeQuang]

400 domains is indeed a 'small' portfolio for a domainer, but it could be smaller than that. Renewals are expensive, considering that maybe 1% of the inventory will sell per year.

And you say you started in 2017, I assume March from your registration date. So in less than 6 months time you have already accumulated a lot of domains. I haven't seen them but I am not sure they are good enough. When you're starting out, you try to make up for being late and you end up sniping everything that moves and in no time you have a bloated portfolio
My suggestion would be to trim the portfolio by renewal time, perhaps keep a dozen domains only. If you pay only $100 or $200 in renewal fees per year, then you have more disposable income to buy better domains.
Many domainers are paying more in renewal fees, than they make in domain sales. You don't want to be in that situation.

Quality > quantity.
I think the big problem often is not find the good names, but boils down to management of available funds.

Thanks for your advice.
I just think that i'm focusing on my main target this year : try to catch as many good domains as i can.
"Good domain" in my opinion is the domain can reaches at least 1 of 3 conditions i had mentioned in the comment before.
I don't know what i'm doing know is right or wrong, but i must try and analyze the result, then fix or change it in the next year
Below are some of my domains that get at least $500 offers, but i refused, because i thought they valued more. And i didn't pay over $35 for them . And some you can say " Oh they are junks", but junks to you, gems to me . There is not the right answer in this industry. The only thing is right that your domains will be sold or not. If yes, ya you are doing right. If no, you're wrong and you must change your tactics immediately
I'm not good enough to ensure that i will success in this industry, so i need all you - the hard-core domainers and all your advices to keep me in the right way
VistaHR.com
SSholidays.com
HelloFix.com
PattayaCondo.com
BisonStudio.com
VertPro.com
RPenergy.com
RosesBeauty.com
Rtailor.com
AppleLearning.com
SardiniaWine.com
VirtualEnter.com
PPtraining.com
GrupEX.com
GetTaco.com
Synolex.com

 

[GeorgeQuang]

You are right saying that when' you're starting out, you try to make up for being late and you end up sniping everything that moves and in no time you have a bloated portfolio' and that the average sale through rate is 1-2%. Let's assume he will have only a dozen names, how many years he will need to make a profit out of them? Probably 5-10 years, considering the average sale through rate. And considering that the average sale is around low to mid xxxx, so he will invest around 1-2k for acquisition and renewals for 5 years and he could make 2-4k on average, after 5 years. Doesn't sound like the best investment. Also, considering a low volume, he will not learn to mush in that time. I think a better way for him could be to flip closeout and hand reg's for 100-200$, like this he can have liquidity, can make a little profit from the beginning and can learn a lot through volumes.

Yes, i agree.
I can't image that buying 50-100 "$100-$200" domains and list them to aftermarket, then wait or contact endusers, then if i can earn some, re-invest them. It's too slow, i think so.
Managing a huge portfolio, and try to catching domains from all sources i can is the best way to learn now. So that i can learn more things about this industry and can find the best strategy with each sources ( Dropped List, Expired Auctions, Aftermarket....)
Maybe i will be wrong, time will answer it

 

[GeorgeQuang]

There are so many newbies who are buying like crazy, they just want to acquire the domains and they don't know how hard to resell what they have bought with high prices like that.

Not me. I don't have more money to burn like this hehe

 

[iAchilles]

certainly.. i really do not like that company one bit

Agreed. I can't help but wonder if they monitor portfolios. Perhaps it's just coincidence but every single name I've dropped has been acquired by them. About 50 domains at this point. They've yet to make a sale and they've held some for 2+ years. It puts a smile a on my face to know they're in the red on my rejects.

 

[GeorgeQuang]

Agreed. I can't help but wonder if they monitor portfolios. Perhaps it's just coincidence but every single name I've dropped has been acquired by them. About 50 domains at this point. They've yet to make a sale and they've held some for 2+ years. It puts a smile a on my face to know they're in the red on my rejects.

No one loves TurnCommerce (the mother company of HugeDomains - Namebright - DropCatch.etc) but they provides quality services for Domain Industry :
- NameBright : really cool registrar, friendly with domainers, easily to transfer domains out and low fees ( you just need to pay 8.07 for each domains if you fund them first).
- DropCatch: who's the hell in this industry doesn't know this Expired Catching services ? They spent millions to acquire over 800 registrars last year to get more opportunities for catching expired names. And it's one of the best Backorder services now.
- HugeDomains : it's not for us
So by using their services, we are feeding the monster who are fighting against us, but we can't do anything.

 

[urlurl]

they have a few of my sloppy seconds too, lol

 

[GeorgeQuang]

they have a few of my sloppy seconds too, lol

over 3,1 mil domains under their portfolio now. And their annual fee is over 25 mil to run this portfolio.
IT means they must sell at least 69k/day to get the renewal fee. Wow.
IF i were them, i will let 50% their domains expired. Too much junks

 

[cooljub]

While you're waiting how can you live? With a job.

A job.

What?!!!