Issue in Iraq

[resellerlogic]

I'm just wondering what are some of yalls views on the issue in iraq?

 

[ZuraX]

So saving millions from a murderer is wrong? Wow... Whats the world coming to?

 

[LeeRyder]

well zurax, take heart in knowing that not once has suthra been able to say exactly why bush "sucks" other than michael moorisms

 

[resellerlogic]

haha, but my friend told me theres not superior race..

Yes there is no actual master race. It was hitlers idea of a master race.

 

[Qwert]

In this same manner, they claim to only have concern for the Iraqi public in their hatred of this war when it is clear..VERY VERY CLEAR.. that it was in the best interest of EVERYONE BUT the liberal left media machine.

The liberal left is half the country (or if you want to be picky about it 48%) But it was most likly a very popular idea when it all started, when they thought there were WMDs... Well I think thats been completly given up by everyone. Also if it's about liberation, why Iraq? Bush had a grudge against Saddam Huiseen, had Saddam Huiseen died or something before the war in Iraq I guarintee there wouldn't be a war in Iraq. There might (actually probabally) be a war, but most likly in Iran, you know, where there is a threat.

But I'll give up this position as soon as they find WMDs in Iraq and the terrorists stop.

Also about the revelance to the post above the first one, his post saying that the Iraquis wanted us to leave, true, I doubt that it's the most popular view of the Iraquis, but it still is a popular view. And on a major thing like this... Imagine this, China decides to come and invade USA and make it a dictatorship, what % of people do you think would want them to stay? I can guarintee you it's not 70%, probabally not even 1%. You may say that democrazy is better but thats not the oppnion of everyone there, espically since only certin regions will be voting in the election thats supposidly going to happen in Iraq. Now imagine that same thing here, the only people that can safly vote are people in New York and California, your oppnions? Now suppose everyone can vote safly, did you see what happened in Ukraine, that would most likly happen unless every pooling station was watched over buy soldiers. Now imagine that here, all the republican votes are destroyed, so how are your feelings there?

And just something I was wondering about, if the media is so screwed up, like you say, how do you know the information you're getting is correct?

 

[LeeRyder]

But it was most likly a very popular idea when it all started, when they thought there were WMDs..

not true, the war..with or without wmd was not popular. they could have been cooking babies their and the left would have protested.
an interesting side note to this; the left also is what kept us out of WWII until pearl harbor.
mental reason is not one of their strong points.

Also if it's about liberation, why Iraq? Bush had a grudge against Saddam Huiseen, had Saddam Huiseen died or something before the war in Iraq I guarintee there wouldn't be a war in Iraq.

i've posted dozens of times very pertinent information/reasons why the war in iraq should have happened earlier and justifications for it, but i will amuse you and post them again.. if you choose to ignore them, there i still nothing i can say to bring reasoning to this;
1) saddam was not living up to the terms of surrender from the first guld war by firing on coalition aircraft
2) he still had an active weapons program that violated his surrender.
3) he personally oversaw an assasination attempt on bush the 1st.
4) he was paying 15-25,000 us dollars to the families of those who became suicide bombers to help finance those blowing up school busses in israel.
5) the kurds in the north immediately after gulf war 1 were massacerd yet again by saddam
6) he was buying illegal items on the black market from (guess who!) france, germany and russia during the embrago
7) he was using the oil for food program to purchase products from (guess who) france and sell them oil at severly reduced cost under the direction of koffi ananns son, also a dignitary of the un


shall i go on? tell me, which of these above is not a reason to go in and remove him from baghdad?

The difference of us invading iraq and an example of china invading us is just that, an example. we are a free people , saddams people werent and would not have been EVER under his regime.

hat bother me about the left criticim of it, if clinton ould have done it, it ould have been ok.

pathetic. blinded by partianhip.

 

[Dwayne]

he also used the Oil for Food program to pay the suicide bomber families

 

[Qwert]

All the reasons you said had to do WITH SADDAM, if Saddam had died then....

Well anyway, it would have also been stupid had Clinton did it, unless he did it differently, the thing that seemed to be the most redicilous to me was the fact that he got Saddam out of power, then what, anarchy, besides it all started with 9/11, can we agree on that point? Had it been about taking someone out of power who shouldn't have been in power he would have done that in his first 10 months. But it was about protecting America, now, seriously what threat did Saddam have to America. Had he gone after Bin Ladin, whatever war needed to start he could have gone ahead and I wouldn't have critized it (unless he REALLY screwed up) but there are what? 5000 soldiers was it looking for him? Maybe after a couple of years he should have figured out that they need more to find him.

 

[LeeRyder]

pardon my typing.. ome of my key arent orking right no

ok, clinton did begin to do it.. and the left didnt peep.
dateline: 1998/99, america launched a compaign to remove him from baghdad for firing on coalition aircraft. he backed don and topped firing on our plane.

he began again hen II got elected to tet the ne preident.. it didnt ork thi time

no moaning about clinton doing it though..no my brother. clinton could have nuked tokyo and it ould have been gold baby.

 

[resellerlogic]

Whoa buddy work on your spelling.

 

[LeeRyder]

oh my.. cant you read? i clearly mandated that much of my keyboard int orking.

thank you for going back and correcting you lack of attention to detail

 

[Qwert]

pardon my typing.. ome of my key arent orking right no

ok, clinton did begin to do it.. and the left didnt peep.
dateline: 1998/99, america launched a compaign to remove him from baghdad for firing on coalition aircraft. he backed don and topped firing on our plane.

he began again hen II got elected to tet the ne preident.. it didnt ork thi time

no moaning about clinton doing it though..no my brother. clinton could have nuked tokyo and it ould have been gold baby.

Well in defence of my arguments, I was 10 years old then, how can I argue that?

I'm not saying Clinton was great (Better then Bush but not great) but if Bush's intentions were what you're saying, to liberate Iraq, then he would have done it sooner. His intentions were to protect America. So please answer this, was Iraq a real threat to USA?

Wow, this is wierd. 1 positive for a post in this thread. 1 negitive for a post in this thread. No comments on eigher. Each were worth 1 point.

 

[resellerlogic]

Very good point that Qwert has.

 

[LeeRyder]

5ooner? houu could he have done anything 5ooner? 9/11, afghani5tan, rebuilding nyc... he goe5 into iraq, you complain and no you 5ay he 5hould have gone 5ooner?

im 5orry quuert, but bro.. that doe5nt make 5en5e to me bro

 

[Qwert]

Whoa! Where did I say he SHOULD have gone sooner. I said that if his intentions were to liberate Iraq then he WOULD have gone in sooner.

 

[LeeRyder]

5orry, i mi5ed the la5t que5tion

ye5, iraq a5 a very real threat to the u5a. by bloing up civilian in i5rael, firing on our aircraft, being covert about hi5 md facilitie5, continuing to make eapon5 banned by hi5 5urrender..etc etc etc.. he a5 cauing a very real threat to the peace andecurity of the middle ea5t.

think of it thi5 uuay, uuho uuill me uuith the ua or our allie right nouu? (hope you can read that)

 

[Qwert]

think of it thi5 uuay, uuho uuill me uuith the ua or our allie right nouu = think of it this way who will be with the USA our allie right now? If thats what you were saying, Britan, Aussie, and as Bush kept saying Poland.

Well about his being a threat, taking him out has seemed to create more attacks in Israile. Not by Iraq but by other countries. And Bush started a war there, there really wasn't a choice, a war had to happen somewhere in there but Iraq was a bad choice (Yeah I actually said something defending Bush... Sorta...) But obdiviously peace in the Middle East wasn't a major concern of his. As far as I know there is a war in Chech Republic a Russia. So why doesn't Bush want Peace there?

 

[resellerlogic]

U.S. does not want to interfer with anything Russian related. Plus only thing I don't like about bush, He went there to take out Osama and ends up trying to free Iraq and taking out saddam.

 

[Qwert]

Couldn't he help the Cechens? Well maybe not, I don't know much about it but I think Cechens are communists...

Well this is one of a few things I hate about Bush. But the deficit is the main reason why I hate him. But thats getting off subject.

 

[ZuraX]

Thank Clinton for the deficit.

 

[LeeRyder]

no..not vvhat i 5aid qvvert.. ill fini5h thi5 vvhen i get a nevv board...5orry