Is this fair

[01wojtowicz]

**is a bunch of amateurs who give a bad name to the domain biz. There should be some law where you can get into the domain industry only at the age of 16 and up.

i saw this on another forum and would like your reaction to this (im not saying the forum or what the ** was... only saying youd all get annoyed at it)

 

[scribby]

I started buying domains on the net when I was 12 but that was my mum who bought my my first domain name for my b-day, then I just worked on my php programming skills and other web stuff untill about the age of 15 where I got into buying my own stuff, didnt really go all to well untill I was 16 and I got $2000 as a b-day prezzie and well that started of alot of buying on the net domains and scripts etc.. hosting as well lol..

Being a minor at the age of 12 - 16 I never thought about doing anything wrong on the net, I would never scam anyone, never regester a domain name that could get me in trouble, and I still today have never thought of delibertly scamming, or regestering a domain that could get me into some sort of trouble, but if there was an over 16 only law then I would not of learnt my php skills and web skills, and I would not own a hosting biz.. all at the age of 17 & 1/2, but I can see why some people dont like under 18 yr olds getting domains and other stuff on the net, most of the kiddies that add me to msn messenger, and hack my sites, try to scam me, send fake paypal & ebay mail's are just to immature and stupid to be on the net!

anyways only half a year till im 18 so yeah lol

 

[Morph]

are generally not mature or intelligent enough to deal with business.

Your word of generally, makes this, ok in my opinion, but its steriotypical.
Children and adults alike have scamed people, some children are better than adults at business, just some arent, please dont base your opinions on dodgy "kids" online.

remember there is the good and bad of everything.

 

[scribby]

Your word of generally, makes this, ok in my opinion, but its steriotypical.
Children and adults alike have scamed people, some children are better than adults at business, just some arent, please dont base your opinions on dodgy "kids" online.

remember there is the good and bad of everything.

That I agree with.

 

[tony84]

i agree its probably jealousy, i once had someone design and build 1 of my sites who i spoke to on a daily basis and once it was finished and completed and paid for he told me he was 15, he told me after because previously he had told people before who had took advantage and not paid him as there wasnt a lot he could do.
i suppose at some point we all get ripped off its part of growing up, however ive used him since and he does it a lot cheaper than pros because he can and so i will use him for as much as possible.

 

[labrocca]

If I get scammed by an adult I send them to jail. If I get scammed by a kid I simply can't. Most laws are written for adults and minors simply get a slap in the wrist.

I can only assume those saying that age doesn't matter are UNDER 18. Most who are 25,35, or even 55 would rather not have to deal with children. It's great that at 14 someone started a web business and went out and did things...but that doesn't mean the 14 should be allowed to register, sell or buy domains. It should all be done with parental consent and with their supervision.

As a parent if I found out my kid sold his $xxxx domain to someone for $xxx I would flip out and have the deal nullified asap. I may be able to sue the person even for damages and/or get them arrested for violating some law about taking advantage of a minor (there are laws about such things).

Most of my issues is legallity. While I find age to be a simple and fast parameter of people I don't find it the tell-all. Some of my best deals have been with 15 year olds. I actually pay a 16 year old programmer $25 an hour to do work for me. Recently he sold a site he made for $20k so I don't pretend that under 18 means stupid. However I run into many that are very immature and it's extremely obvious they are minors without ever having to ask. Some in this thread make it obvious.

Oh well.

 

[Morph]

I am Under 18- and i totally accept your views, for legality reasons.
I have been burnt by more over 17's than under.

Being Under 18 myself, i guess i am biased, but i feel, from my own perspective i deserve equal oppertunitys.

My Point: Not all .. infact the majority of "minors" are responsible and mature people.

The minority ruin it for us all

 

[sdtrader]

With privelage comes responsibility as a nescessary part of order in the world.There are repercussions from abusing privelage.If we are willing to allow persons under 18 or 16 to be subject to these penalties- fines,jail etc. then it would make sense.If not, how can they be allowed to be involved with these privelages.There is nothing to prevent them from sending the system into chaos any more than if we allowed 12 year olds to drive on our roads or 14 year olds to consume alchohol.There is no recourse against them should they decide to run afoul of the rules.

If a minor is interested in domaining there is nothing stopping him from doing so with permission and supervision in his/her parents name.Isn't that what parenting is all about?
Place yourself in the shoes of someone dealing with a minor on any form of deal.If you get cheated too bad for you.If dealing with a legally responsible person you have recourse.
MHO

 

[-db-]

Emotions and personal feelings are nothing but distractions when looking at this.

The only thing that bothers me about the statement - it was apparently referring to NP as a 'whole'. The statement is factual incorrect, and seems to have been a deliberate attempt to distort the truth. It's commonly known as a cheap shot.

It's true that NP has a large youth population. It's also true that when you have lots of young folks you undoubtedly find a decent amount of turmoil. However, this community as a 'whole' is mature, well behaved, polite and professional. There are also many well-seasoned, veteran domainers here. Real pros that were around before any domain forums existed.

NP is a melting pot, with members of all ages and experience levels.

 

[Zeeble]

As a parent if I found out my kid sold his $xxxx domain to someone for $xxx I would flip out and have the deal nullified asap. I may be able to sue the person even for damages and/or get them arrested for violating some law about taking advantage of a minor (there are laws about such things).

This is rubbish. Under 18's can sell domains, and at any price they wish, as long as it belongs to them. You could not sue someone for damages, just because they bought a domain from your son/daughter at less than its worth!

To be honest, when you get scammed, it's likely to be someone in a foreign country, which you can do nothing about anyway as you can't hold someone resposible if you don't know who they are. So being under 18 really doesn't make much difference on the internet. Trust is the main factor, if you can't trust someone, don't do business with them. I believe, that people who don't do business with under 18's will lose out in the long term. Same as a shopkeeper saying "I won't hire him, he is under 18 and I can't hold him accountable".

 

[dgridley]

I agree with you somewhat.. having had problems in the past with minors and business transactions, it naturally makes me leery of dealing with them on a business level. Legally, you have little to no recourse in such a situation.

With privelage comes responsibility as a nescessary part of order in the world.There are repercussions from abusing privelage.If we are willing to allow persons under 18 or 16 to be subject to these penalties- fines,jail etc. then it would make sense.If not, how can they be allowed to be involved with these privelages.There is nothing to prevent them from sending the system into chaos any more than if we allowed 12 year olds to drive on our roads or 14 year olds to consume alchohol.There is no recourse against them should they decide to run afoul of the rules.

If a minor is interested in domaining there is nothing stopping him from doing so with permission and supervision in his/her parents name.Isn't that what parenting is all about?
Place yourself in the shoes of someone dealing with a minor on any form of deal.If you get cheated too bad for you.If dealing with a legally responsible person you have recourse.
MHO

 

[labrocca]

This is rubbish. Under 18's can sell domains, and at any price they wish, as long as it belongs to them. You could not sue someone for damages, just because they bought a domain from your son/daughter at less than its worth!

To be honest, when you get scammed, it's likely to be someone in a foreign country, which you can do nothing about anyway as you can't hold someone resposible if you don't know who they are. So being under 18 really doesn't make much difference on the internet. Trust is the main factor, if you can't trust someone, don't do business with them. I believe, that people who don't do business with under 18's will lose out in the long term. Same as a shopkeeper saying "I won't hire him, he is under 18 and I can't hold him accountable".

You are WRONG. There are laws in most states about this. If my kid sells a game at the local game store without my consent..I can march right in and ask for the game back. Kids sell things all the time but that doesn't make it legal or legit.

And I was a shop owner for 10 years and I didn't hire anyone under 18 because of the legalities. Legally where I was at you could only have a job over 16 I think without working papers. There are lots of laws concerning this subject and you don't seem versed in any of them. Can I assume you are under 18 as well? I see you are in UK so I can't say to know the laws there concerning these matters. I can only speak for the USA and I have lived in 4 states and each of those has similar laws.

Here are the pages of registrars for TOS.

https://moniker.com/help/dtc.jsp

you are of legal age to enter into this Agreement.

http://www.enom.com/terms/agreement.asp

INFANCY: You attest that you are of legal age to enter into this Agreement.

That's just a couple but I am sure most of the registrars have similar wording. So you see...if a 15 year old did buy a domain the registrar could TAKE the domain citing that the account is invalid. So much can go wrong.

 

[dgridley]

Good points.. and why many of us hesitate to deal with the younger crowd.

You are WRONG. There are laws in most states about this. If my kid sells a game at the local game store without my consent..I can march right in and ask for the game back. Kids sell things all the time but that doesn't make it legal or legit.

And I was a shop owner for 10 years and I didn't hire anyone under 18 because of the legalities. Legally where I was at you could only have a job over 16 I think without working papers. There are lots of laws concerning this subject and you don't seem versed in any of them. Can I assume you are under 18 as well? I see you are in UK so I can't say to know the laws there concerning these matters. I can only speak for the USA and I have lived in 4 states and each of those has similar laws.

Here are the pages of registrars for TOS.

https://moniker.com/help/dtc.jsp



http://www.enom.com/terms/agreement.asp



That's just a couple but I am sure most of the registrars have similar wording. So you see...if a 15 year old did buy a domain the registrar could TAKE the domain citing that the account is invalid. So much can go wrong.

 

[labrocca]

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[Zeeble]

I'm just fed up with these countless threads which, ultimately always seem to end up with the same people say the same things about why we all shouldn't deal with anyone under 18.

It really frustrates me, and IMO just comes down to prejudice. Well, maybe we shouldn't do business with anyone over the age of 30 incase they are senile and can't be held responsible for their actions (joke, but point made).

 

[dgridley]

You missed our point completely.. people hesitate to deal with younger people only because if the deal sours, they've no legal recourse. No prejudice.. it's reality (and good business sense to protect your assets).

I don't have anything against young people per se.

It really frustrates me, and IMO just comes down to prejudice. Well, maybe we shouldn't do business with anyone over the age of 30 incase they are senile and can't be held responsible for their actions (joke, but point made).

 

[sdtrader]

You missed our point completely.. people hesitate to deal with younger people only because if the deal sours, they've no legal recourse. No prejudice.. it's reality (and good business sense to protect your assets).

I don't have anything against young people per se.

Nor do I and you seem to echo my opinion.I was a young person(at one time and now young persons make up the refreshing part of my household.
I would happily do business with someone of any age knowing that it was with their parents blessing and guidance.Get mom or dad to put their name on the bills and to recieve payments.
I really can't see how this could be a problem for anyone unless they were working contrary to parental authority and that is not something I would not want to be a contributor to.

 

[Badger]

Same old 'age' vs 'youth' argument.....

Why do the youthful members of our fratenity miss the point entirely, why do they seem to adopt a school yard lynch mob mentality and believe that the point is aimed at them personally...

Maybe all the younger guys need to consider that, like it or not, you are minors and the law is there to protect you, not deliberately hinder you.. Yes, some are more mature than others but the rule of thumb is that to take advantage of someone because of their naivety based upon their youth is illegal. Period.

And to get back on topic, 'YES' there is a more younger discussion going on at NP than there is on other forums and 'YES' it can be extremely nausiating at times. But, if you are any kind of serious businessman then you will realise that todays minors are tomorrows pioneers and i, for one, have commercial relationships going on with lots of the more mature younger members here. And anyone who feels they need to be condescending on another forum is clearly displaying their own immaturity about who will lead tomorrows business.. Suits me.....