Fair rates of pay for all

[Amnezia]

Firstly i have read the rules serveral times now and i'm pretty sure that this post does not contradict them in anyway. This thread is not directed at any specific members of the forum, it is meerly an observation.

Although im may be new to this forum i am not new to the business web design and software engineering. I have a fair amount of experience in dealing with various companies, institutions and employers.

The first thing that impressed me about the forum was the amount of young people here who have exceptional talent and knowlegde in the field, i was surprised to learn that many people here are in fact under the age of 18. The second thing that impressed me was the way in which most people here conduct thier business. Generally deals are conducted fairly with a decent level of reward offered for peoples services.

It is, however, disappointing when a few individuals/companies seek to exploit peoples eagerness to work. These companies offer unacceptable levels of pay or rewards knowing that some of the people here are not always as experienced and often willing to work for stupidly low sums of money.

As a company you have a basic responsibilty towards those that you employ - to treat them fairly and respectfully. Offering people unacceptable (in some cases disgraceful) levels of pay is not only bad business etiquet it also tarnishes your company with a bad image. I personally will never use, or refer my cleints to, the services of people who i supsect or have seen evidence of treating employees unfairly.

If you are considering taking a job or doing some work for someone and are unsure if what they are offering is fair, please don't hesitate to get a second opinon. The best person to ask is someone you trust and who also has experience in the area.

Sorry about the rant guys but its something i feel strongly about and im sure other people do to.

 

[def1]

although in a way i agree, it helps thoughs who arent as talented get a chance to earn money and learn

 

[Amnezia]

although in a way i agree, it helps thoughs who arent as talented get a chance to earn money and learn

yeah but not to the extent where there being ripped off

 

[axilant]

Great post. Positive rep left.

 

[hope]

I agree with you to degree but sometimes its just supply and demand.There are people from all over the world here.A low wage to somebody in one country can be A high wage in another.IMHO

 

[CrazyTech]

As a company you have a basic responsibilty towards those that you employ - to treat them fairly and respectfully.

Someone please tell that to Walmart amongst other companies.

I definitely agree with your post. Sadly enough, though, everyone else doesn't see eye to eye. Things like this happen fairly often. The best thing you can do is know your own services and don't sell yourself short. I've refused bids and work before - and I work pretty cheap with certain services. I know that me working for 4-5 hours on a site design is not worth $25. However, I'm not afraid to help out someone who truly has a budget problem and can only afford a small amount. There are others like this as well.

In the end, your post makes some good points and I'm glad to see people agreeing with it.

 

[jeter4982]

Someone please tell that to Walmart amongst other companies.

I definitely agree with your post. Sadly enough, though, everyone else doesn't see eye to eye. Things like this happen fairly often. The best thing you can do is know your own services and don't sell yourself short. I've refused bids and work before - and I work pretty cheap with certain services. I know that me working for 4-5 hours on a site design is not worth $25. However, I'm not afraid to help out someone who truly has a budget problem and can only afford a small amount. There are others like this as well.

In the end, your post makes some good points and I'm glad to see people agreeing with it.

Ya, I agree, it definitely is not right, but I think it is an issue of our society, not just NamePros. As Denver brought up in the WalMart example, some people may think $5 is a ton of money, but others might see it as pocket change. It is really based upon perspective, but I do agree with you 100%, and left you postitive rep.! :tu:

Tom

 

[dweeb]

but if is your choice to accept an offer, however drastically low the pay is, you can't exactly blame any one. you always had the choice of not accepting it. and if in the case of accepting such an offer, you probably would be having some difficulties at the moment, and are forced to reach a personal compromise, so its in a way helping you despite the low price. After all, desperate times do call for desperate measures.

 

[Amnezia]

but if is your choice to accept an offer, however drastically low the pay is, you can't exactly blame any one. you always had the choice of not accepting it. and if in the case of accepting such an offer, you probably would be having some difficulties at the moment, and are forced to reach a personal compromise, so its in a way helping you despite the low price. After all, desperate times do call for desperate measures.

I agree people have a choice but i think that younger people can be a bit naive sometimes when making decisions. They see a chance at working for what they percieve as a "high flying" business when really its just a few people looking to make a quick buck or two.

I agree that major compaines can exploit staff as well but there is a big difference between the companies here and places like Wallmart. Although Walmart may treat their staff fairly poorly they are at the end of the day a fully registered business with a license to operate. This means that they are regulated to some degree and theremore must conform to at least the minimum standard set by their governing body.

Here in the UK there are strict laws regarding the employeement of people aged 13-16, employers require a special permit and there are strict regulations of the number hours they may work.

I would guess that over 75% of the businesses here are not registered or regulated.

 

[CrazyTech]

I agree that major compaines can exploit staff as well but there is a big difference between the companies here and places like Wallmart. Although Walmart may treat their staff fairly poorly they are at the end of the day a fully registered business with a license to operate. This means that they are regulated to some degree and theremore must conform to at least the minimum standard set by their governing body.

Ah, but the governing body is severly limited it what it can do. The sad thing is Walmart is one of the largest US employers around. Granted, there is the minimum wage barrier but operating at that level alone is very low. Slowly they are driving down the quality of work because they're offering the cheapest wages possible while knocking out local competition. Slowly, they're reducing the quality of jobs because they are so large and so powerful.

Believe me, my father worked for them and was briefly in management at the local store. I know a lot about behind the scenes action and how employees are treated. Laws can protect workers to an extent, but no law can stop Walmart from paying minimum wage for jobs that require a lot of work. No law can stand up to a large company from depositing a large amount of work on someone for measly wages.

I guess my point is it goes on all throughout the world - although it may not be carried out the same way. Here at Namepros, for instance, there is no company/invidual as powerful as Walmart (maybe RJ . However, there are loads of companies and an even larger load of people who do work. You are responsible to a certain extent for what you'll work for. It might seem a bit cold to say this but you sadly enough you cannot expect everyone to play fair. There are things you can do about it such as avoiding the business of known companies and making sure that you neither take advantage of or offer your services too low.

I would guess that over 75% of the businesses here are not registered or regulated.

I'd say honestly more like 85%-90% wouldn't be out of the question. We have child labor laws here in America as well but most of this is done under the table just as it is in the UK so regulation doesn't always reach far enough. That's where the responsibility of the people doing the work comes in to protect themselves.

 

[def1]

its a fact of life, people dont want to spend loads of money when they know they can get it for cheap. I agree though that it should be fair but honestly most of these 5 dollar logos are really simple with not much effort needed. And the truth is if your beggining you will have a better chance at winning a 5 dollar logo design then a 300 dollar one

 

[CrazyTech]

Exactly - it's a fact of life.

Ultimately it's the decision of the entity looking for the service. Conducting your business in an unethical manner is something you live with and nothing can be done about it. The good this is that the majority of people won't take advantage of someone. The bad thing is there are many out there who will. You're ultimately responsible for your own actions including whom you choose to work for.

Applaud the people who conduct business the ethical way and shun those who don't. It's just about all you can do.