NameSilo

If you prick us (new gTLDs) do we not bleed

Labeled as opinion in Domain Extensions, started by Colin Campbell, Oct 11, 2017

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  1. Colin Campbell

    Colin Campbell VIP Member .Club Staff VIP Gold Account

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    I am amazed at how many times I see a hosting company, blogger, or domain investor refer to "the legacy" domains as if they have been anointed by some higher power. Fast forward 100 years from now and I can't imagine someone saying pick a .org over a .club because it is a legacy tld. I can foresee a time where someone might say pick a .org because it is a not for profit, or a .club because it is a member site about a passion, hobby, or buying club.

    There is, I admit, at this stage much greater mindshare for legacy tld's like .org and .net. Yet there also a number of legacy tld's that have not performed as well as .club.

    Based on Alexa top 1 million sites (as of today):

    .Mobi has 662 sites
    .travel has 184 sites
    .asia has 407 sites
    .biz has 2948
    .club has 2163 sites (after being out for just over 3 years)

    How are we different from the legacy tlds and is it time we started treat all tlds equally based on quality of name and marketing.

    If you prick us (new gTLDs) do we not bleed like all the other gTLDs?

    Didn't think my high school required reading of Shakespeare would ever come in handy.

    Colin Campbell,
    CEO .CLUB Domains
     
    The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
  2. briguy

    briguy Guru In Remission! VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Loved that line..totally agree about name (keyword and extension) and marketing
     
  3. wormfood

    wormfood ---- VIP

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    yeah, 2160 or so, great.....here they are with their ranks
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    911282,abgnakal.club
    911429,cdn-network89-server8.club
    913338,millionpresident.club
    913700,maduritas.club
    913897,gamees.club
    914146,yoursafetraffic4updating.club
    915399,clubmoney.club
    915770,sharepedia.club
    915955,multiki.club
    917059,hhey.club
    917180,cdn2-network22-server6.club
    917357,xxx-xxx.club
    917427,myimg.club
    917479,rnto.club
    918196,800295.club
    918702,goodroundupdating.club
    918824,cleanervirus.club
    919201,libroit.club
    919901,cdn6-network66-server5.club
    920172,myformat.club
    920437,thebigandfreesystemupdate.club
    921006,advewmoney.club
    921295,wafelnica.club
    921699,cdn-network77-server7.club
    921795,cdn-network80-server1.club
    921814,indototo.club
    921988,cdn9-network19-server10.club
    922149,makmoney.club
    922634,itmoney.club
    923202,actormaheshbabu.club
    923431,cdn10-network70-server1.club
    923642,prymoney.club
    924114,speedread.club
    925439,dedicated-server-shuudee.club
    925445,spmoney.club
    925505,cdn3-network53-server1.club
    925657,seksifsa.club
    927256,loveislife.club
    927825,varideediomds.club
    928170,cdn4-network34-server6.club
    930054,fzdvdsbfhfddfz.club
    930133,destinedtobeyours.club
    930281,cdn-network72-server9.club
    931651,tharunahitha.club
    931684,mxpic.club
    931779,cdn-network78-server9.club
    932034,awesomenessnewupdformacandwinnow.club
    932050,vodmoney.club
    932150,cdn-network85-server6.club
    932473,modeli-spb.club
    932602,superbeauties.club
    932656,mobiledate.club
    932805,girlboyfriend.club
    933722,boykute.club
    934417,guitarsongs.club
    934656,furinmasonry.club
    934779,cdn-network49-server8.club
    935800,dfsanonymous.club
    936012,erowife.club
    936855,booglees.club
    937278,coolnnewupdforyourmacandwin.club
    937362,cdn2-network52-server8.club
    937577,moviefisher.club
    938629,cdn5-network65-server10.club
    938763,matalelaki.club
    939617,afrodite.club
    939660,padonain.club
    939714,dcshipin3.club
    940119,goodroundupdate.club
    940616,gadjet.club
    941123,nowsteadysystem4updates.club
    941530,webapplication.club
    941776,onlinehealthcare.club
    941975,diffedjiffieschannels.club
    942730,betting.club
    942913,habersokak.club
    943385,csshipin1.club
    943676,cdn7-network7-server8.club
    944459,kopmoney.club
    944522,cdn6-network6-server10.club
    944820,cdn7-network67-server3.club
    944894,ataaof.club
    944948,chaos.club
    945412,streamhdmovies.club
    946265,cdn2-network32-server8.club
    946423,privorot.club
    946891,climbingthewalls.club
    946905,cdn6-network36-server3.club
    946937,markss.club
    946973,gbmoney.club
    947615,not2day.club
    949462,lacasadeltikitaka.club
    950331,cdn8-network8-server6.club
    950437,hilux4x4.club
    950450,rencontreadultere.club
    950573,twiit.club
    951363,film-hd.club
    952006,bet4me.club
    954954,febmoney.club
    955438,bugil69.club
    955795,hibinonikki.club
    955801,thisav.club
    956130,cdn-network82-server5.club
    956382,300mb.club
    956626,tsforus.club
    956867,ruschat.club
    957494,libripreferiti.club
    957503,cdn4-network14-server10.club
    957749,tvstream.club
    958548,cdn2-network12-server8.club
    958666,cdn7-network67-server9.club
    959469,cdn-network89-server2.club
    959887,cdn8-network58-server1.club
    960515,cdn9-network9-server2.club
    960762,cdn4-network64-server1.club
    960855,cdn-network99-server9.club
    961365,cakemade.club
    961469,knowledgeworldbook.club
    961470,selfdependenthub.club
    961602,cdn5-network35-server9.club
    961806,tadenoite.club
    962332,p202.club
    963078,tuningevo.club
    963127,bichsoski.club
    963515,egitim.club
    964171,gakkari.club
    964422,flixtor.club
    966548,cdn10-network50-server2.club
    966681,layarkaca21.club
    967094,cdn-network83-server5.club
    967618,cdn10-network60-server6.club
    968058,dewanonton.club
    969005,teshigoto.club
    969869,cdn2-network2-server6.club
    969870,cdn7-network67-server2.club
    969881,maximal2upgrades.club
    969904,hentaidelivery.club
    969948,biground4update.club
    970275,thaitalk.club
    971190,xn--vgu128a.club
    971337,4k-hd.club
    971475,630m.club
    971633,66sp.club
    971759,marshrutka.club
    973003,cdn5-network65-server9.club
    973366,doencasesintomas.club
    973378,kidiki.club
    973720,powertravelers.club
    974004,zhuchaoli.club
    974219,cdn4-network14-server2.club
    974489,flattenevilerzigamorph.club
    974571,anahera.club
    974805,cdn6-network16-server2.club
    975026,cdn8-network8-server9.club
    975231,cdn8-network38-server6.club
    975232,cdn6-network16-server7.club
    976104,thebigforevertoupdates.club
    976516,cdn8-network28-server8.club
    977736,vidkep.club
    977761,pornes.club
    979510,cdn-network76-server2.club
    981185,iluvit.club
    981221,seikaku-checker.club
    981477,goodandsolidtoupgrade.club
    982249,cdn10-network10-server8.club
    982907,hirobook.club
    984019,thehealthyliving.club
    984212,cdn8-network68-server7.club
    984222,lotus7.club
    984823,cdn3-network23-server1.club
    986081,cdn-network75-server7.club
    986843,digex.club
    987057,cdn-network100-server7.club
    987192,maddys.club
    988017,songfestival.club
    988237,cdn1-network41-server9.club
    988781,cdn9-network69-server6.club
    988831,cdn5-network5-server7.club
    988850,aggelies.club
    988924,ecomprofit.club
    989152,synergymining.club
    989794,cdn8-network68-server4.club
    990034,hotcreampie.club
    991046,videoexpress.club
    992560,scannerav.club
    992686,businessonline.club
    993100,inet-money.club
    993223,cdn5-network35-server4.club
    993326,dudeman.club
    993796,woaisn.club
    994203,theperfectcentralsys2updating.club
    994369,pornblogs.club
    994939,thepars.club
    995334,otcg.club
    995653,duhnsfw.club
    995749,satokans.club
    996882,maximalsystemforupgrade.club
    997234,kotova.club
    997481,creativecoding.club
    997718,mevmoney.club
    997864,cdn8-network28-server6.club
    998293,cdn2-network12-server4.club
    998318,smallandprecise4update.club
    999120,nakedchicks.club
    999427,krank.club
    999600,cdn-network82-server10.club
    999795,redbubble.club
    
    only maybe 33 english one-"word" domains :hilarious: as far as I can tell
    Code:
    traffic.club
    betting.club
    chaos.club
    robo.club
    changes.club
    interface.club
    manuals.club
    input.club
    indigenous.club
    restoring.club
    freedman.club
    vacancies.club
    unblock.club
    fireman.club
    forester.club
    battleground.club
    modding.club
    soundtracks.club
    ivanka.club
    bettors.club
    cooch.club
    lightyear.club
    starlets.club
    nominal.club
    remixes.club
    redial.club
    undertow.club
    divines.club
    bootlegs.club
    jurisprudence.club
    bytecode.club
    overhear.club
    onanism.club
    
    also,
    125 look like this - cdn5-network65-server8.club
    57 contain the string 'updat' (update/updating)
    38 contain the string 'porn'
    18 contain the string 'stream'
    26 contain the string 'free'
    17 contain the string 'virus'
    45 contain the string 'upgrad'
    33 contain the string 'movie'
    18 contain the string 'torrent'
    total: 377

    maybe around 300 (14%) of them are probably not legitimate just based on the domains themselves. I wonder how many more are not legitimate but have innocent-looking SLDs.

    how about "prick us, and we'll likely try to infect you"

    another source, which I consider much more reliable than alexa's 'top million', still mostly shows weird domains.
     
  4. Asfas1000

    Asfas1000 Top Contributor VIP

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    Maybe domainers' interests and registries' interests are not aligned after all.
     
  5. mr-x

    mr-x Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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  6. Haris

    Haris Best Domainer Of The End-Times VIP

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    Fast forward 100 years from now, if by chance the world doesn't end, none of us would be alive so for us domain investors, what sells now or at most 5 years from now, is what we would consider a good investment.
     
  7. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I am not a fan of most new extensions, though I will say .CLUB has done things a lot better than most.
    You have the most regs of any extension that is not based on sheer non-sense registration volume.

    With many other registries you have tiered pricing, absurd renewal costs, clawbacks, forced free registrations, and many other shenanigans.

    Many of these other registries have had no problem screwing over domain investors, so I doubt there is much sympathy for them in general.

    The sheer amount of new extensions released and greed by many of the operators is the major issue.

    As far as mindshare, there is only so much room in the average consumers head. They know .COM/NET/ORG and have seen then in use for decades now. There is not mindshare available for thousands of new extensions.

    Brad
     
  8. Brands.International

    Brands.International formerly lolwarrior VIP

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    I agree completely that it should be all about quality of extension, and all about the quality of particular domain name (how well keyword goes with the extension, and whether it makes good sense or not). New gTLDs can make fantastic and very powerful brands. As for .club, imo it is one of the best new gTLDs, and can form great domain names. I also like marketing activities, they can be an example for some other extensions/registries how it should be done, in the ideal case.

    There are few people in the industry, and also on this forum, that are constantly bashing new gTLDs. They have probably a lot of time, as they produce hundreds of negative posts. Those posts are in many cases just wrong, with incomplete information, and they like to compare apples to oranges. Many of those people have actually no experience with new gTLDs at all (they do not own any). Imo the main reason is that some of them invested heavily in legacy domains, and some in ccTLDs. I can understand why they are not happy...if I would patiently build my portfolio over the years, I would be really unhappy to see such strong competition from hundreds of new extensions. But the fact is that the internet is evolving, and new extensions are here not only for domainers but mainly for end users. Their main purpose is to bring more options and choices for businesses and people.

    Still, what I do not understand is that bashing - as I think it is not going to persuade anyone against new gTLDs. I think it would be better for those people to stop doing useless comparisons between new gTLDs and legacy extensions all the time, and to start thinking about how they can utilise new gTLDs, so they can actually profit from them, at least a bit :)
     
  9. wwwulff

    wwwulff Top Contributor VIP

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    Today there is no money in .club for anyone other than the registry - Fast forward 100 years and there is probably still no money left for anyone other than the registry
     
  10. Lox

    Lox _____ VIP Gold Account

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    Price stability: why is it important for you .club and the rest of ngtlds?

    37% of .com in hands of domainers

    Apart from the active involvement & great effort in promoting .club the price stability is the number one driver for the success - long term success. Today the price is $1, tomorrow $10, next monday $12, in a month renewal $15, is this premium, wait can't be .... if you get it right, it has a positive impact on your customer base and your bottom supporters called domainers.

    Regards
     
  11. Adam27

    Adam27 Blockchain.link VIP ICA Member

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    Brad states it well and even Colin admits where the mindshare is.

    It is .com/.org/.net and ccTLDs. :)

     
  12. mad409

    mad409 Always thinking outside the box! VIP

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    More development and sales other than Registry is needed in the gTLD space.
     
  13. JB Lions

    JB Lions Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I've said out of all the new ones, you're doing the best.

    I've also said, new gtlds should not use Alexa to market themselves:

    https://domainpunch.com/tlds/topgtlds.php

    Go thru the .clubs or any of them. It's not pretty. wormfood went thru it above
     
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  14. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    gosh looks like .mobi was a great investement
    oops I dropped them all about 10 years ago
    same for .biz

    mhm you never know
    can't avoid to make mistakes


    but you can lean and try not to repeat

    so I do not own a .club
    as far as I know

    that fact doesn't ruin my sleep



    just sold .us
    not bad of a tld at all for some purposes

    or now I like it better then .club at least
     
  15. Grilled

    Grilled self challenge: don't be kcid a for xis months. VIP

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    I recently sold 420(.)mobi for $999. (My only .mobi ever owned)

    Its not that .mobi doesn't sell. Clearly, they do. But these sales aren't commonly in the 4 to 6 figure range as initially expected at launch. Nor were they adopted by the general public to meet investors initial expectation. Does this mean .club will repeat .mobi history?

    With that said, what's the better domain 420(.)Club or 420.(.)Mobi? Personally, I like 420(.)club more. (And this is coming from somebody who doesn't own any .Club domains)

    I see these new tlds more like domain hacks than anything else. If the hack makes sense, and a business or service can be built on it, then why shouldn't it have value? (I understand the value maydecrease if it's assigned a premium renewal, as cost of owbership year over year would be greater than dot com ownership per $9 renewals)
     
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  16. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    .mobi at least had a vision related to a new technology

    .club is fine for clubs
    but clubs are boring to me

    yes I know I know nothing
     
  17. Adam27

    Adam27 Blockchain.link VIP ICA Member

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    garptrader Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    .CLUB is one of the few new TLDs which I believe makes sense from a branding vantage point.

    However, one thing that has always bothered me about new TLDs are the reported registry sales where the buyer pays a considerable price for the "premium" keyword, the sale gets reported on DNJournal, the sale gets a lot of publicity in the domaining community and then the buyer does not even use the domain to brand its business.

    Does anyone care to elaborate why LENDING.CLUB which reportedly sold for $25,000 does not even resolve?
     
  20. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    a club to me is something exclusive
    like a british gents club

    so its natural that it is costly

    and so its natural - I have to pass on that tld
     
  21. HotKey

    HotKey Made in Canada VIP

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    Registry asks:
    A solid reply:
    What say you, Operator?
     
  22. jmcc

    jmcc Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    What makes you think this?

    Regards...jmcc
     
  23. jmcc

    jmcc Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Some people have a more focused view of the domain name market, Colin.
    Unfortunately that view does not extend outside the Domaining business.

    The phrase "Legacy TLD" means different things to different people. To people like myself who categorise usage and markets, it generally means the older gTLDs that are being overtaken by ccTLDs and some other older TLDs. It is common to describe a TLD where demand has collapsed or plateaued in a market as having gone Legacy. This means that the new registrations are barely making up for deletions or the TLD is beginning to lose market share. What happens at a country level when the ccTLD begins to take off is that its growth eclipses that of .COM in that market and the non-core TLDs such as .NET/ORG/BIZ/INFO become a lot less important. The bulk of the registrations in these TLDs tend to be legacy or veteran brand protection registrations.

    There is a simple reason for some of those gTLDs not performing as well as .CLUB gTLD. They are niche gTLDs with limited appeal. The .MOBI sTLD managed to get overtaken by technology and the rise of the smart phone and other mobile devices. The .TRAVEL gTLD was meant for the travel business. The .ASIA gTLD was a regional gTLD where no strong regional identity existed unlike .EU ccTLD. (But that's a different mess.) The .BIZ gTLD was meant to be a business gTLD but the management drifted away from the original business plan. It is now swamped with Chinese/Japanese registrations and is no longer a major gTLD in the US/EU/CA/AU/NZ markets.

    Alexa is not reliable and should not be used to draw any such conclusions.

    In terms of usage (based on the monthly surveys), the .CLUB gTLD is performing like a non-core gTLD. That's quite good for a relatively new gTLD. The exposure to the Chinese market has affected quite a few new gTLDs due to discounting promotions and these registrations are not high quality registrations with good renewal prospects. Many of these discounted registrations end up with Lottery/gambling landing pages, webspam or worse. They can increase the zonefile count but in terms of user experience of the gTLD and its sites, they are completely toxic.

    Marketing matters. The new gTLDs that are struggling do not do any serious marketing of their gTLD. If a registry doesn't market its gTLD, then people don't realise it exists and people don't register domain names and businesses don't develop websites in the gTLD. To date, the .CLUB registry has been very active in marketing the gTLD and it has helped.

    Regards...jmcc
     
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  24. Adam27

    Adam27 Blockchain.link VIP ICA Member

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    People know about a lot of products, service, etc. That doesn't mean they buy and use them.

    For the small amount of people that know about new gTLDs, few are ready to use them. :)
     
  25. Adam27

    Adam27 Blockchain.link VIP ICA Member

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    Terminal doesn't understand or have "mindshare" for new gTLDs. :)

    mindeshare whois.png
     

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