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Idiots Who Bid On and Buy Trademark Domains

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I just watched a Trademarked domain get auctioned off at Godaddy's expiring auction and it closed at $416 with 19 bids by 3 different bidders.

The domains is ScrubDaddy.com

ScrubDaddy is not only trademarked but the product which is a scrub sponge was featured on Shark Tank and the shark that invested in it was Lori Greiner

And on top of that Scrub Daddy is the most successful item ever on Shark Tank.
So who is stupid enough to risk going to war with with Lori Greiner and all of her lawyers?
Evidently there are at least 3 idiot people who are.


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Top bidder might of been scrubdaddy themselves, check whois in 7 days
 
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Maybe it's to call out deadbeat ex's not paying their child support? Worse than a SugarDaddy. :rolleyes:
 
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Top bidder might of been scrubdaddy themselves, check whois in 7 days
I doubt it, they really wouldn't have to do that.
They can just demand it back, but if it were them that still wouldn't explain the other two idiots who bid on it.
 
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On a serious note, is this worse than GoDaddy allowing public auctions/buy now/offer domains such as:

GoogleAuction.com - $50,000 BIN - 5 bids
GoogleYouTube.com - $15,000 BIN - 4 bids
....1000's more.

When are registrars going to pay the price for allowing names to be listed that have obvious trademarks? O_o

An end user can be fined up to $100,000 per domain. Should companies be able to pursue aftermarkets for that amount letting them slide through as they are getting a commission on the deal? :-/
 
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The buyer might like the older than tm creation date and their chances.
 
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On a serious note, is this worse than GoDaddy allowing public auctions/buy now/offer domains such as:

GoogleAuction.com - $50,000 BIN - 5 bids
GoogleYouTube.com - $15,000 BIN - 4 bids
....1000's more.

When are registrars going to pay the price for allowing names to be listed that have obvious trademarks? O_o

An end user can be fined up to $100,000 per domain. Should companies be able to pursue aftermarkets for that amount letting them slide through as they are getting a commission on the deal? :-/

You could say that about this forum as well. It's a marketplace sometimes for some obvious TM's. I always felt this was an area this forum can step up in instead of brushing it off.
 
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Most likely these bidders are domain newbies, of course the auction houses as well as NP obviously know it is happening but TM infringement is probably a bit tricky for someone to decide for someone else. Mcdonaldsmcnuggets.com is pretty clear but a name like mcdonald.com is a bit trickier considering it is a very common surname.
 
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This guy lives in my town...maybe I should ask him
 
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The buyer might like the older than tm creation date and their chances.
I have always understood it that if someone takes ownership of an existing domain that is Trademarked, the creation date is in a sense voided and its the date of when the new owner took possession of the domain is what matters.

I would like Kate to chime in, she would know more about this.
 
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Well I am speaking for the winning bidder's thoughts, not some much of what is right. One has to dig a bit to disprove that a domain owner isn't the one that owned the domain since creation day one. And not every tm holder going to dig/udrp at first, but instead try to purchase the domain a. This is what I would think the thought process would be of the bidder.

But buying a very specific tm after the tm becomes well know is bad news in the hands of a domain lawyer at udrp panel no matter the creation date
 
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I have always understood it that if someone takes ownership of an existing domain that is Trademarked, the creation date is in a sense voided and its the date of when the new owner took possession of the domain is what matters.
I don't think it's so cut and dried. But yes, these kinds of determinations have been made in UDRP decisions (and I think courts of law) to support a complainant's case.
 
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Trademarks are multifaceted, in terms of business area of usage, different levels of uniqueness, regional use, etc.
The sales can't really be blocked. Here's why...
If someone wants to name their new energy drink "Google Auction" they would aruably have a chance at holding onto that.
Dove is soap and chocolate. If you make Dove brand flamethrowers, it won't be an infringing use on those previous trademarks.
The only solution is to be wise about what you buy & how it's used.
 
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Trademarks are multifaceted, in terms of business area of usage, different levels of uniqueness, regional use, etc.
The sales can't really be blocked. Here's why...
If someone wants to name their new energy drink "Google Auction" they would aruably have a chance at holding onto that.
Dove is soap and chocolate. If you make Dove brand flamethrowers, it won't be an infringing use on those previous trademarks.
The only solution is to be wise about what you buy & how it's used.

No, Dove is generic... its a dictionary word. Google probably is also in the dictionary... but its not a historical dictionary word, its a brand name created from the word "googol" meaning the number one followed by one hundred (?) zeros ... I didn't check this up, i will be embarrassed if I am wrong! lol

I am also not sure why someone would name an energy drink something Auction lol

Although, apart from this, you are right about regional use, business areas and uniqueness etc
 
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Believe it or not I have learned from the higher brains of the domain industry that tm domains are the way to go, they bring traffic redirects, easily setup a park page with a BIN price of $5,000 and set your domain to privacy. Earn PPC income while the main people hover over your name with an urge to purchase, not going to send a UDRP or attempt to lose the domain over $5k. Especially in my circumstance their going to come after me? no way.

Although I have never done this myself; you just would not believe who this was passed down from.. and yes, it could have been the tm owners themselves trying to acquire the name; but who knows with this crazy domain world!
 
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I have always understood it that if someone takes ownership of an existing domain that is Trademarked, the creation date is in a sense voided and its the date of when the new owner took possession of the domain is what matters.

Basically, (except for a superbrand where courts differ in the favour of the big spenders) if Person A actively trades under a trademark before Person B does, Person A has the right to use it; this position weakens on a sliding scale depending how far geographically apart both businesses are and how different their products are, and a multiplier based on whether the other party usage of the trademark amounts to "passing off" where such trademark isn't a product trademark but their company name.

Attitudes around domainers are very finders-keepers mentality. However, If Person A registers a domain name before Person B brings the name into use as a trademark... its irrelevant unless Person A has utilized that website as a business (i.e. commenced trading). Furthermore, Person A is likely to be able to offer the domain for sale to Person B rather than lose it through dispute process and Person A is less likely to be able to use the domain for another purpose especially if in a similar line of business and geographical area.

Person A will be able to hold on to registration as long as it doesn't interfere with Person B by means of competition or passing off.

If Person C buys the domain name from Person A, without a website or within a business purchase (i.e. a trading entity), its similar to the limitations that Person A had, except he or she will no longer be able to sit on the domain with a big price tag to sell to Person B. As Person C didn't own it before it was a trademark and wasn't a successor in terms of a business or inheritance, Person B is in effect more protected from cybersquatting although isn't necessarily entitled to the domain, depending on the specifics of the case.

The above is generalised and will vary depending on jurisdiction. All in all, it is silly to hand reg trademark names, pick up expiring trademark names or buy trademark names. Not everyone is an idiot though, many get away with cybersquatting... even without whois protection, there is absolutely no necessary link between a whois registrant and the legal owner... (the registrant is the legal owner in 99.99% of cases but a court can rule differently) and people can hide behind fake identities giving incorrect names and addresses; or use a stolen credit card. Some might even use the details of a family member - perhaps someone older who doesn't know what a domain is or how to use a computer. Absolutely no chance any company is going to be able to sue a 90 year old for domain name trademark infringement lol. Living on the edge, you might be sitting on some gold with trademark names... you don't have to own the domain, just have control over them, able to receive the payment and transfer. Of course, its high risk, immoral, illegal and should be avoided at all costs. Those who are transparent and genuine (could say "white hat") would be an idiot to get involved in trademarked names... blackhat people... its merely an opportunity. Whois protection (even the worst whois protection services out there) gives some the confidence to take chances...
 
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Oh man, it is time to put an end to this TM whining stuff... With all due respect to everyone, domainers are brain-washed.... The "big guys" say, don't register TM's so they can get them all.... And, laugh all the way to the Bank....

Sure, there are legal reasons to not register one, but if you do the math and see how many TM's are registered verus how many people get into legal trouble because of them, I am willing to bet the number is less than 1%....

I mean, you care about registering a TM of some big corp that does nothing for society? Find every loophole in the book to pay less taxes... Move jobs to third-world countries to get the cheapest labor possible.... These are the people you guys are defending, right?

No harm, no foul... imo....

Don't post them in public....
Don't offer them for sale...
And, if they are not making money no point of having them...
 
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Believe it or not I have learned from the higher brains of the domain industry that tm domains are the way to go, they bring traffic redirects, easily setup a park page with a BIN price of $5,000 and set your domain to privacy. Earn PPC income while the main people hover over your name with an urge to purchase, not going to send a UDRP or attempt to lose the domain over $5k. Especially in my circumstance their going to come after me? no way.

Although I have never done this myself; you just would not believe who this was passed down from.. and yes, it could have been the tm owners themselves trying to acquire the name; but who knows with this crazy domain world!

There brains where def. high!

Read up on the laws about making even one penny profit of a TM. This is not about defending big corporation but protecting the domainer from serious legal trouble.
 
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There brains where def. high!

Read up on the laws about making even one penny profit of a TM. This is not about defending big corporation but protecting the domainer from serious legal trouble.

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No, Dove is generic... its a dictionary word....

I am also not sure why someone would name an energy drink something Auction lol
Dove is only a generic word when used to describe a certain type of bird. When used for soap or chocolate, it is DEFINITELY trademarked (look it up). Just like "apple" is generic for fruit, but trademarked for phones and music players.

I don't think anyone wants to name an energy drink "Google Auction." It was an extreme example to demonstrate how a "trademark" domain can be owned and used by someone without infringement. Thus, it does no good to say "Someone should block these from being sold." Often, trademarks can be safely used by another person / business if they are in a totally different business category from any other TM holder(s).

In the end, the only solution is for one to be fully informed before making impactful business decisions.
 
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