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I lose $42,000 on an escrow.com transaction as pdd.com, help please.

Labeled as warning in Warnings and Alerts started by American, Jan 9, 2018.

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  1. American

    American Established Member

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    I'm also want give you a big laugh,that you used google to search a not famous Chinese,i advice you search Jack ma,he build alibaba.com,you can get anything you want,I am just an ordinary person, not famous.
     
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  2. American

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    yes,I'm here,we have jet lag.
    sorry,i can't give you back at here every minutes.
     
  3. American

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    My friend "ye tian" also buy and sell domains,when i got this domain information,we discussion about it,i don't like pdd.com,but "ye tian" want buy it.
    because I'm already bought 3620.com form the seller at sedo.com.it's used my own id [email protected](double Q).com,i don't know he was liar at that time.
    so "ye tian" let me talk to him and make that deal.
    That's why i use my email talk to him but used another escrow.com id [email protected](double Q).com to deal with pdd.com.because when the domain price was confirmed,It's need him to paid for this,not me.
    he doesn't have an account at networksolutions.com,so used my account to get the pdd.com,my id at networksolutions.com also was a new account,this account register after i won sedo.com auction for 3620.com,the pdd.com through [email protected] to arrived my account,this account just used to be transfer 3620.com to me,this information can find at my website about 3620.com at sedo.com transactions.sedo tell me the seller can't give me a transfer code.so they push this domain at networksolutions.com.so i can't transfer this domain to my registry.
     
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  4. American

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    I have no idea about that change,I’m already found this change,but i don't know why.
     
  5. American

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    I don't lie to escrow.com,i never sent even one email to escrow.com.
    there contact escrow all was my friend ye tian used his [email protected](double Q).com.
     
  6. American

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    Sorry,there have a mistake,the domain through [email protected] to my networksolutions.com account,was 3620.com not pdd.com.
     
  7. tech4

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    It hits me, Sedo does have information on the thief too. Contact Sedo about the thief and transfer problems because from same user at Sedo? Sedo has parking verification, ids verification for sales too. Maybe they can help?
     
  8. BrandMart

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    @American , my friend. I was not searching for you. I was trying to see which gender pops up for the names as shared by you - " you can find the domain under my name "yue er" or "lou zhiyong"."
    Results were pretty confusing as you can see. But that's something that can be explained only by you.

    @tech4 Yes. SEDO does that. But they won't divulge anything unless they see the Law enforcement agency up their offices.
     
  9. chandldj

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    Get Rick to put on Hall of Shame and get an article on DNJ or other and Escrow.com will then help you.
     
  10. jberryhill

    jberryhill Top Member John Berryhill, Ph.d., Esq. VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    No, Escrow.com is not going to release confidential data simply because Rick pitches one of his tantrums.
     
  11. biggie

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    For those playing along at home:

    I am playing, ;) please continue

    That's interesting.

    you want to have confidence that operatives are following the basic SOP's with money transfers.

    imo...
     
  12. jberryhill

    jberryhill Top Member John Berryhill, Ph.d., Esq. VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    As was stated above, you have to look at the big picture. I'm aware of a handful of craptastic failures by Escrow.com. They do zillions of transactions per nanosecond or whatever, so it's the same deal as going to Chipotle - thousands of people had a fine meal there last year, and only a couple of them died of food poisoning.

    Dove soap made a fortune on the slogan "99 and 44/100 percent pure". My takeaway from that is Dove soap might be 56/100 percent toxic radioactive waste, but it does the job.
     
  13. Silentptnr

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    I'm very surprised that escrow.com has confirmed receipt of funds that they haven't really received.

    As to the ops problem....In my opinion, escrow has a single function and it does not include checking buyer or seller.

    However, I can see where they absolutely should verify both the funds being used and the domain being sold through it's platform.

    I think the op is well aware that unless there is legal action or a miracle, there is absolutely no chance of recovering this funds or the domain.

    I would suggest that the op also focus on unlocking his NS account and recovering 3620.

    Too much money to not thoroughly check out what he was buying.
     
  14. Grilled

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    If 3620.com was sold to OP [ @American ] by same person [Patrick Sitrok] who sold OP alleged stolen PDD, what is to say that 3620 wasn't stolen as well, and if so, there may be another John Doe* victim at hand.

    *John Doe could be Eric Vivien, or whomever legitimately owned the domain after him.
     
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  15. tech4

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    If the Seller gets lucky, and 3620 is legit. Who knows Patrick may be a real person? But the problem is NS will probably wash their hands, even if it is legit. The seller in this case will need lawyers and lawsuit against NS. To find out if PDD was in it with Patrick or if NS wants to wash their hands. Even if it is stolen, NS should notify each party.

    So let's say seller buys a car, stolen, police will notify that the car is stolen, belongs to x, and x has filed a report as of date xzy. In the case of NS they don't even say anything which we don't even know if PDD was in it together with Patrick. Or that NS did something stupid, they just locked the Seller's account, there was no filing that PDD was stolen, Patrick reported to NS that it is stolen, but the situation got bigger, so Patrick left the scene, NS just reverted back to the former owner.

    There's a bunch possibilities that NS screw up, the thief Patrick screw up, he may be thinking that he would resell it again, instead NS covered their own track by not saying anything. And there's a possibility that PDD is in it with Patrick, or PDD sold it to Patrick a few years ago for cheap x,xxx and PDD wants it back, and Patrick is a con man and decides that its time to give back.

    We don't know what the situation is, or the seller for some really stupid reason is the hacker? Which makes no SENSE.

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    I think the Seller should contact NS ask why his account was frozen, and who filed a complaint against him and when was that filed. IF someone filed a complaint against my account I have the rights to know.

    In the case NS/Web is irresponsible in not saying anything. When doing business, one should be transparent and fair, and have some integrity. I don't think I will do business with Network Solution or Web in the future. Should you be able to know who filed a complaint against you and for what reasons? Without going through the lawyers?

    NS/Web is not transparent in this case, and lack of integrity. And a few other companies if it comes to this. I am also wondering what the OP seller is doing in this situation?
     
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  16. tech4

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    I noticed something using the Chinese Whois, on 12/5 Friday the whois is the seller, on 12/6 a Saturday it goes back to old whois PDD. But on a Sunday it goes to privacy to [email protected], and its on and off. Before those dates it does have a pattern of going privacy and off too.

    Question is, if it goes back to PDD (assuming company is legit and still operating) why is it going back to privacy and back to PDD on a Saturday and Sunday? (maybe thief is still holding to it via "legit PDD" an insider?) This is just a question, is PDD still operating or is this done by some technician who has accessed to PDD and wants it want privacy and then changing back and forth, I think there maybe 2 thiefs, unsure of what they are doing???

    Is it in PDD hands right now or is it the thief still holding on to it???? Just my assumption because I see the pattern of going to privacy even after it is restored to [email protected] So if the thief is holding it, there's no way to know, unless someone contact PDD. This looks very suspicious!

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    My assumptions.
    1) There are more than 1 thief, unsure of what they are doing
    2) They operate on Saturday and Sunday, which PDD may no longer be in service
    3) Very suspicious that they go back and forth to privacy even before the sale and after the sale. Meaning they are somehow connected to PDD or PDD has sold it off or left it gave it away for cheap to someone inside.

    Then the NS/ We need to know who filed the complaint, the reason. and date of file.
    This will be clearer and closer if there is information. American can you get NS Web to tell you why they closed your account, and who filed the complaint, and what complaint, and when that was filed? You have the rights to know who filed a complaint against your account in what manners.
     
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  20. American

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    I sent emails like you said to ask NS and web.com,NS don't give me back,web.com just told me wait.
     
  21. Grilled

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    Who are you assuming the other thief is?

    I think an important detail that hasn't really been touched on is the RBG.com domain I mentioned earlier, that was associated to the email that sold OP the domains.

    Notice, WHOIS email is in @RBG.com & name servers stay at worldnic...

    upload_2018-1-11_18-40-27.png

    RBG appears to stay under privacy until Patrick Sitrok's (seller of PDD.com / 3620.com) info appears for a few days, then WHOIS goes back to the prior 2016 WHOIS owner (before privacy) with one minor detail changed regarding the address, One North = 1 N.

    upload_2018-1-11_18-39-24.png
     
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  22. American

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    I'm already told you.If you use google or others to search a not famous Chinese or American,you can't find anything,it's the same as you can't use google to find someone named patrick.sitrok.
     
  23. American

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    [QUOTE =“Grilled,post:6519350,member:963724”]你认为另一个小偷是谁?

    我认为一个没有被真正触及的重要细节是我之前提到的RBG.com域,它与销售OP域的电子邮件相关联。

    请注意,WHOIS电子邮件在@ RBG.com&域名服务器停留在世界各地...

    [ATTACH =满] 77531 [/ ATTACH]

    RBG似乎保持隐私,直到帕特里克Sitrok(PDD.com / 3620.com卖方)信息出现几天,然后WHOIS追溯到2016 年前的 WHOIS所有者(隐私之前),有一个地址,一北= 1 N.

    [ATTACH =满] 77530 [/ ATTACH] [/ QUOTE]
    he also said he has vdg.com.
    thank you.
     
  24. Grilled

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    Can you post that screenshots of that email as well? To include all contact you had with Patrick. This is important, and may reveal additional info. Thx.

    Also, as you say you have gathered his IP, can you answer if you've shared that info with NetSol, Escrow, Sedo, and possible law enforcement?

    I also want to note, if you have his IP, that you should message it to NamePros staff. I don't believe they will be able to give you much, if any, user information (if exists), but they may be able to add additional info to the proper authorities, if IP address matched a hit. If you don't send NP anything, I don't assume they would get involved, as I don't assume Escrow (or others involved) will be reaching out to NP with info requesting additional info. Though, it would be great if the industry collaborated for such things. Even if NP doesn't have any hits from that IP, if it was a legit IP, then NP may identify the scammer if the scammer makes his way to NP...
     
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    I think you have something. RBG is Rubin Brown an accounting firm in MO. Could this Patrick somehow connected to that firm? Because according to Whois, if Networksolution finds out that Patrick is a thief, removed the PDD back to whoever is [email protected] shouldn't his account be block? On the 6, PDD was reversed by NS/Web, but on the 7, RBG is still with this "Patrick".

    Then later, it is now back to supposedly RBG. I am not sure what to make of this. Did Networksolution reply to a "hey my domain got stolen" by PDD or was it by "Patrick" ? And is Patrick somehow related to RBG????

    How are these domains easily be stolen from 1) An accounting firm 2) An IT firm????

    I can't figure it out.

    ---------------RBG.com went into privacy for more than a year
    What????? Is there a theft? Or is it someone from RBG?
     
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