I have 2 questions about GoDaddy?

[Name Trader]

1) Is it possible to receive a push of a domain from another GoDaddy member without adding a 60 Day hold. I remember doing this in the past, but don't recall how I did this. Is this still possible? How to do this? @Joe Styler

2) Does GoDaddy have any sales of NGTLD's (expiring or members sales)? I've tried many times to use their search form (the one with all the tick boxes), but I always fail to find any NGTLD's for sale. What am I doing wrong?

 

[Name Trader]

It is an ICANN lock now. We give you the choice at the time of setting up the account change, by whoever is initiating the domain from their account, to choose either to send it with or without the lock. It is important to note that the lock and therefore lock option on the change only apply when there is a change of registrant on the domain at the time of the account change. If there is no WHOIS update there is no lock. The lock revolves around changes to the ICANN change of registrant mandated process which was put in place I think two years back. (off the top of my head so take it with a grain of salt).

When accepting the domain by the gaining shopper, they will be able to see, but not change the choice the initial sender picked for the resistant contact and the lock status. So if the person sending the domain picked to lock it you will see that on the acceptance screen. If they pick not to lock it you will see the on the acceptance screen. Once you click accept it is a done deal and ICANN will not let us change that choice. If you are the gaining party and you see a lock on the acceptance screen you have to reject the change and have the person initiating it re-send it without the lock selected.

Oh and on the other question we don't sell expired nGTLDs as a general rule.

Hi Joe. Happy New Year.

So is there any confusion about this from the senders point of view? Do they get asked specifically if they want to send the domain to the buyer with or without a new 60 day lock? To which is either a Y/N reply. I've known in the past, that GoDaddy have been very unclear in their instructions. Do you clearly tell them that sending without a lock keeps the same whois info, and sending with a new 60 day lock requires a change of registrant. Or do you also give them another (superfluous) question whether they want to send the the domain with a change of registrant. Is it possible to answer N to sending with a new 60 day lock and answer the superfluous question with a Y, which would cause a conflict, and the sender has to start over, confused and thinking hard? I guess I'm asking what terminology we should give to the seller, asking them to not agree to a change of registrant when they transfer the domain (like what boxes they have to fill/complete).

If the domain is sent properly, without a change of registrant, when the domain is in our account, can we change the email address without the domain being locked again for 60 days? So the domain is sitting in our account with the old whois info but with a new email account. What email do you use to send the requested auth code to? The registrant email, or some email account associated with the current owner or the previous owner? I'm not clear about this, hence the question. Because, if the domain is less than 60 days old, there will be some balance of this original 60 day hold remaining, and I'd like the transfer the domain out, as soon as the domain is free from that original lock.

 

[dirk]

@stub

Auth codes are sent to the administrative contact listed on the registrant details.

If you don't change anything else besides the administrative contact email there should never occur a 60 days lock.

This should apply to any registrar as it doesn't create a whois change. Anybody with different experience correct me if I'm wrong.

At GoDaddy you can also download a csv containing all domains and info including the auth codes. It's under the export button somewhere in the domain manager.

Their 60 day opt out is pretty straight forward. They warn specifically about the lock once you initiate a push.

The email you'll receive to approve has 2 clear options (you will have to check one of the radio buttons) to either lock or opt-out.

The email to approve and opt out will be sent to the losing GD account email address. So if you push a domain without a change of registrant you can make sure to opt out yourself.

 

[Name Trader]

@stub

The email to approve and opt out will be sent to the losing GD account email address. So if you push a domain without a change of registrant you can make sure to opt out yourself.

Mostly. Well probably always. This will be a one-way transfer to me. I just want to make sure to tell the pusher, that they "should opt out of the lock" to initiate the transfer, and should do what about the approving email from GoDaddy "approve or disapprove" (I guess it depends on the wording of the email). Is this a clean and tidy way to instruction the pusher to push the domain without a change of registrant? Then, when the domain is in my account, I change the Registrant email address (could I change all the email addresses? or will that trigger a lock?), and I will be able to transfer the domain, when the original lock expires when the domain is 60 days old.

As you can see. I'm rather rusty with these pushes from GoDaddy, which is usually because I don't buy domains which cannot be transferred out GoDaddy, as a general rule. But sometimes, very rarely, I want the domain so much I have to buy it when it's locked. And I don't want to add a further 60 days to the lock. Which has happened 2 times now in the last 2 months.

 

[dirk]

Mostly. Well probably always. This will be a one-way transfer to me. I just want to make sure to tell the pusher, that they "should opt out of the lock" to initiate the transfer, and should do what about the approving email from GoDaddy "approve or disapprove" (I guess it depends on the wording of the email). Is this a clean and tidy way to instruction the pusher to push the domain without a change of registrant? Then, when the domain is in my account, I change the Registrant email address (could I change all the email addresses? or will that trigger a lock?), and I will be able to transfer the domain, when the original lock expires when the domain is 60 days old.

As you can see. I'm rather rusty with these pushes from GoDaddy, which is usually because I don't buy domains which cannot be transferred out GoDaddy, as a general rule. But sometimes, very rarely, I want the domain so much I have to buy it when it's locked. And I don't want to add a further 60 days to the lock. Which has happened 2 times now in the last 2 months.

I know the feeling. It's annoying when you want to transfer out right away after the push.

Instruct the seller to push the domain and leave the registrant intact by checking yes on this screen they should be presented with:

After the push is initiated you will get an email to accept.

Once you follow the link in the mail there is a form that will let you edit whois details. Don't.

At the top of the form there's an option saying something like; approve without review.

Pick this option, the domain should enter your account almost instant.

Once the domain is in your account you can edit all registrant details as you like from the dashboard. As soon as you do so it will make you acknowledge there may be a 60 day lock. Don't worry and agree.

Now, right after you will receive a couple of emails to confirm the owner change. Follow the links and only accept the registrant change where the form gives you the option to opt out of the lock. I usually get 3 or 4 mails. At least one includes the opt out option.

The issue is, if you accidentally accept the owner change through one of the mail's that doesn't give you the opt out option it'll get locked.

This method worked for me on my past pushes. I was fed up with getting locked as well.

I'm on mobile right now but might have some additional screens saved on my workstation that I could post tonight if that's of any help.

 

[Name Trader]

I know the feeling. It's annoying when you want to transfer out right away after the push.

Instruct the seller to push the domain and leave the registrant intact by checking yes on this screen they should be presented with:
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After the push is initiated you will get an email to accept.

Once you follow the link in the mail there is a form that will let you edit whois details. Don't.

At the top of the form there's an option saying something like; approve without review.

Pick this option, the domain should enter your account almost instant.

Once the domain is in your account you can edit all registrant details as you like from the dashboard. As soon as you do so it will make you acknowledge there may be a 60 day lock. Don't worry and agree.

Now, right after you will receive a couple of emails to confirm the owner change. Follow the links and only accept the registrant change where the form gives you the option to opt out of the lock. I usually get 3 or 4 mails. At least one includes the opt out option.

The issue is, if you accidentally accept the owner change through one of the mail's that doesn't give you the opt out option it'll get locked.

This method worked for me on my past pushes. I was fed up with getting locked as well.

I'm on mobile right now but might have some additional screens saved on my workstation that I could post tonight if that's of any help.

Understand the first part. Just to be clear. This is only changing the registrant email. Not any other of the Registrant info or any other of the contacts? Correct?

Do the emails requesting confirmation of the ownership change, indicate which one gives the option to opt out? Or do you have to click on each email and go to GoDaddy, so you can see the opt out option before selecting it and save?

 

[dirk]

Understand the first part. Just to be clear. This is only changing the registrant email. Not any other of the Registrant info or any other of the contacts? Correct?

Do the emails requesting confirmation of the ownership change, indicate which one gives the option to opt out? Or do you have to click on each email and go to GoDaddy, so you can see the opt out option before selecting it and save?

You have to click on each one to check. I'm sure there's some logic in what email contains the right link but I never bothered to check

Before they changed the push process it worked out of the box, pretty straightforward.

 

[Name Trader]

@NameDeck - Just to be clear. Earlier, when you were explaining about changing the Registrant Details, but I'd just like to be clear that you didn't mean ALL the registrant details, but only change the Registrant eMail ONLY, not ALL the Registrant Details. Correct? Y/N? What exactly is triggering the change of details if it's not the Registrant eMail? And does it also apply to all the other Contacts too?

What do the contacts look like (re Old/New Info) when the domain is in your account without another 60 days added

 

[dirk]

@NameDeck - Just to be clear. Earlier, when you were explaining about changing the Registrant Details, but I'd just like to be clear that you didn't mean ALL the registrant details, but only change the Registrant eMail ONLY, not ALL the Registrant Details. Correct? Y/N? What exactly is triggering the change of details if it's not the Registrant eMail? And does it also apply to all the other Contacts too?

What do the contacts look like (re Old/New Info) when the domain is in your account without another 60 days added

If you follow the outlined steps you can change all owner details, opt out and your domain will not be locked. So company, name, address, email etc on all contacts (owner, admin, tech).

The contacts should reflect whatever you filled them out to be after a change.

Except for new regs, the lock added after a whois change is not mandatory as per ICANN. They leave it up to the registrar. That's why you don't face these issues on Namesilo, Namecheap, DD etc. They don't lock by default after a whois change.

Changing the email address on the Admin-c (administrative) record will not trigger a whois (thus owner) change. As the AUTH code should (again, I'm not 100% sure but this is my understanding and worked for me access different registrars) always be mailed to this address. So if you need to gain access to the auth code without changing whois, this should be a workaround.

I'm not sure about the other info on the Admin-c and tech-c. Changes on the Owner contact however always trigger a whois update and need to be opted out. Either your registrar does this by default or in the case of GD give you the opt-out option. Some may just always add a lock (yes you Netsol!).

 

[Name Trader]

If I understand you correctly. You can change everything once the domain is in your account, provided GoDaddy will send you an email asking to confirm the opt out. Is that correct? @Joe Styler

 

[Name Trader]

It is an ICANN lock now. We give you the choice at the time of setting up the account change, by whoever is initiating the domain from their account, to choose either to send it with or without the lock. It is important to note that the lock and therefore lock option on the change only apply when there is a change of registrant on the domain at the time of the account change. If there is no WHOIS update there is no lock. The lock revolves around changes to the ICANN change of registrant mandated process which was put in place I think two years back. (off the top of my head so take it with a grain of salt).

Are you SURE this is a mandatory change by ICANN, or is it just optional, and GoDaddy have decided to implement it. Unlike most registrars?

 

[tonyk2000]

While the current scheme appears to be usable (today), the question is: how stable is it, and what changes may occur tomorrow? I mean GoDaddy local changes, not ICANN... @Joe Styler

 

[dirk]

If I understand you correctly. You can change everything once the domain is in your account, provided GoDaddy will send you an email asking to confirm the opt out. Is that correct? @Joe Styler

Yes. That's correct.

 

[dirk]

While the current scheme appears to be usable (today), the question is: how stable is it, and what changes may occur tomorrow? I mean GoDaddy local changes, not ICANN... @Joe Styler

That's exactly my issue with GoDaddy pushes. You can never be 100% sure.

They should make the gaining owner the one that opts out. Problem solved.

 

[dirk]

Alright... here goes nothing... pushing Godaddy domains like a pro

1. This is the domain whois info prior to the push:

2. The sending account will be presented with this screen. Make them opt for the yes button

3. The gaining account will get this email.

4. follow the link and you will be presented this form. Make sure to pick the skip review option

5. Once completed you will find the domain to be locked for 10 days from transfer by GD. This is a security measure. Check in your panel

6. Lets go and update the registrant info to your own. I blocked out specifics but left the company field open for clarity. Check the warning they give. Don't worry. You'll be fine.

7. You will get one or multiple emails looking like this:

8. Make sure to follow the link and only approve if you are presented a form with the opt out option. it looks like this:

9. Check in your panel. There has been no lock applied exept for the 10 day security measure

10. Verify company update by whois.

 

[Joe Styler]

That's exactly my issue with GoDaddy pushes. You can never be 100% sure.

They should make the gaining owner the one that opts out. Problem solved.

We cant do that the losing registrant has to pick it's part of a change ICANN made to help reduce domain theft I believe.

 

[Samer]

We cant do that the losing registrant has to pick it's part of a change ICANN made to help reduce domain theft I believe.

Yes Joe, only the dinosaur registrars this rational...

it’s why i despise Network Solutions, eNom, LCN etc...

5-7 day transfers for “safety” now expedited 21st century

youre using “ICANN safety” as loophole for push bugs!

Samer

 

[Joe Styler]

If I understand you correctly. You can change everything once the domain is in your account, provided GoDaddy will send you an email asking to confirm the opt out. Is that correct? @Joe Styler

Yes it is correct, you as the changer of the info pick if you want the update to lock the domain or not and you accept the change.

 

[Joe Styler]

While the current scheme appears to be usable (today), the question is: how stable is it, and what changes may occur tomorrow? I mean GoDaddy local changes, not ICANN... @Joe Styler

Who knows what tomorrow holds? That is what keeps it exciting. If anything though I know the team is very focused on making the change process easier over time not more complex and they made a lot of incremental changes last year in response to customers to try and help improve it after the initial change. A lot of what was brought up here was relayed directly back to the team working on it in order to improve the experience.

 

[Joe Styler]

Yes Joe, only the dinosaur registrars this rational...

it’s why i despise Network Solutions, eNom, etc..

5-7 day transfers for “safety” now expedited 21st century

you’re using ICANN “safety” as loophole for push bugs!

No everyone does it because it is mandated by ICANN. I did a competitive analysis last year to help with the team who implemented this and I've got screenshots of most of the other registrars processes showing the change process and this step in particular. Some do handle it differently by defaulting the change to no lock and making you choose to lock the domain, (we leave it blank and let the person pick). But by and large its the same process any time you are changing the Registrant contact regardless of if the domain is leaving the account or not there is a question about the lock that must be responded to and also an email notification that has to go to the old and new registrant.

 

[Samer]

No everyone does it because it is mandated by ICANN. I did a competitive analysis last year to help with the team who implemented this and I've got screenshots of most of the other registrars processes showing the change process and this step in particular. Some do handle it differently by defaulting the change to no lock and making you choose to lock the domain, (we leave it blank and let the person pick). But by and large its the same process any time you are changing the Registrant contact regardless of if the domain is leaving the account or not there is a question about the lock that must be responded to and also an email notification that has to go to the old and new registrant.

thanks for your classy response, as always, Joe.
thanks for showing what goes these decisions / analysis.

hopefully one day, streamline the process, even further.!
(60 day lock-out, is a start, but still not mandatory.!

thankfully Gd adapted new 60 day transfer opt out rules, give you credit for, fingers crossed; fix 60 day GD Push!

Samer