NameSilo

I found that many good domains are on sale on SAV for $280

Labeled as news in Domain Buying and Selling Discussion, started by Yuran, Apr 8, 2021

Replies:
93
Views:
5,125

  1. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,921
    Likes Received:
    5,780
    That's a reseller (open provider) so if not backordered at SAV they most probably utilise the API to catch and get good pricing, at cost.

    Not a bad pick to use catching somewhat (random) just ok, little competition, domains.
     
    The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
  2. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    The $280 seller may be backordering as well.

    But I see a lot of $280 hand regs. Regged not at sav (at openprovider or PDR). Just to sell at sav.

    So I doubt these are backorders through openprovider, or maybe if they are (doubtful) there is a registration lag in the backorders, leaving backorders available to reg for hours to days after dropping.

    Any idea what open provider resellers charge per domain reg?
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2021
  3. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,921
    Likes Received:
    5,780
    It doesn't look they send their expiration stream to SAV. They (from your list) also use PDR, they send their exp. stream to GoDaddy as far as I know.

    PDR is an EIG subsidiary (web/netsol still owned by them?) so that seems somewhat strange.
     
  4. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,921
    Likes Received:
    5,780
    €49 upto 2000 names. 1K upto 15.000 names and onwards.

    That gives you regs at cost.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2021
  5. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    I didn't think so either, but I'm not too familiar on Sav expired auctions. Hence my surprise when @blogspotter suggested they were filtering these through Sav expired auctions.

    If you look at GymnasticsPlanet.com

    upload_2021-4-10_14-47-45.png


    WHOIS

    upload_2021-4-10_14-48-44.png

    ...

    or look at RealOperator.com

    upload_2021-4-10_14-54-21.png


    upload_2021-4-10_14-55-10.png

    ...

    Why people keep saying that Sav is behind these listings when they aren't regged at Sav? It makes no sense. Is there a deeper connection we're not seeing? Or are the people saying Sav is behind these listings poor at conducting research, and quick to accuse without practicing due dilligence?
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2021
  6. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,921
    Likes Received:
    5,780
    Good one. Fair point. I dunno. So far I see little that supports any claims made although its not smalltime domainers as it wouldn't make sense to use PDR/OP when dealing in low volume.

    Could be some residue in users from nameking. Never looked into them much in terms of accreditation, ownership and so on.

    There's obviously more to the story than we can see from what's public as the SAV business model definitely doesn't add up.
     
  7. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,360
    Likes Received:
    2,720
    Helping you with some new info, maybe you can dig deeper and found out more. Looks like they have around 12600 domains, using [email protected] and they are connected to domain investments llc and elite domains, they are based in Boca Raton, Florida and the main guy is Jordan Levinson. Looks like they made 400k last year through this company.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2021
  8. Lox

    Lox _____ VIP Gold Account

    Posts:
    3,204
    Likes Received:
    5,269
    .
    Yes, all roads lead to Chicago

    (tip: article you may have missed)

    There's more ... but not worth your time. In essence, 3 months of ping pong & turning $xK into $xxK via one road. Yet there's a bunch of roads lead to ...
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2021
  9. DirkS

    DirkS DutchPirates.com VIP

    Posts:
    6,921
    Likes Received:
    5,780
    Thanks @Lox . Missed that. Don't care that much about them as I stopped using them.

    So yeah...
     
  10. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    Looks like you might have been right?

    Possibly?

    Or perhaps the people saying Sav is behind these listings are GREAT conduction research?

    ....

    Where'd you get Boca Raton, Florida at?

    When looking at WHOIS of a domain registered by that email address...

    upload_2021-4-11_11-32-45.png

    Why does the WHOIS for a domain registered at PDR, show a very similar address of SAV in the WHOIS?

    WHOIS shows suite 515 opposed to Sav.com suite 303

    upload_2021-4-11_11-34-32.png
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  11. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    Looks like they are using multiple suite numbers associated to 2229 S Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60616

    upload_2021-4-11_11-45-6.png

    Is this like a virtual address or a leased address at the same location as sav since they're selling on Sav, and want a potential buyer to think it's safe and/or connected at least within arms reach to Sav?
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  12. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    Is this a politician/technical answer? Sav as a company might not own any domains aside from Sav.com.

    But, hasn't it been said that Sav CEO has a massive portfolio? Are you suggesting nobody employed/owner/boardmember/shareholder of Sav.com are selling domains via Sav with Sav landers for $280?

    I'm not trying to suggest anybody behind sav is selling on Sav landers, as I want to take your word for it that Sav doesn't own any domains. But, considering the matching up of WHOIS addresses to Sav company address, things aren't adding up.

    Might it just be a really enthusiastic/friendly Sav customer with no connection to anyone within the company, who wanted to move to the same building as sav, and build their $280 business model around sav tech?
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  13. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,360
    Likes Received:
    2,720
    Looks like they are using multiple companies, like domain investments llc, multi media llc, elite domains and a few others. I've used the whois info for some of my ex domains, like smoothia.com Domain investments llc shows as a Boca Raton company: https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...nts_llc.ba371d5b87c7da818b5ab852e7f0c221.html but again, they are using multiple companies.
     
  14. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,360
    Likes Received:
    2,720
    I would guess is somebody connected to sav, but not necessary sav as company...lot's of the domains have a $280 + $7,99 for one year extra...I don't think that a real domainer, not connected to sav, will care about the $8 renewal.
     
  15. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    Maybe just WHOIS changes/importerrors/updates within sav whois privacy... When looking at my Sav domains, in historical WHOIS, I see multiple addresses used everytime.

    upload_2021-4-11_12-14-3.png

    upload_2021-4-11_12-14-59.png
    ...

    I'm more curious about the PDR WHOIS matching up to similar address of Sav. But again, maybe this is strategic since the seller is using Sav landing pages?

    upload_2021-4-11_12-7-16.png

    Is it possible there is a Illinois (or another state) based Domain Investments LLC?
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  16. boker

    boker Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    12,360
    Likes Received:
    2,720
    Is there allowed to have two companies using exactly the same name in the same country? I would guess that is the same company, but they are using a different address for whois than the actual address of the company.
     
  17. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    Possibly.

    I'm just wondering if Sav is going to turn into its own DropCatch/HugeDomains ecosystem.

    DropCatch might not own any domains besides, DropCatch.com, but their sister company HugeDomains... well, they own quite a few.

    But again, until we have confirmation or more info, its way too suspect/speculative to say/conclude Elite Domains is to Sav as HugeDomains is to DropCatch.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  18. iTesla

    iTesla Established Member

    Posts:
    95
    Likes Received:
    89
    I like SAV and have nothing against them, but i confirm that SAV and other registrars are in this business.
    Many such domains were dropped on https://www.expireddomains.net/ then i see them on SAV at 280$ for sale, they were available to hand reg.
    Yesterday i came a cross a good dropped .co domain name it was registered at nameking.com and listed at DAN make a offer. This again have confirmed what i suspected before about SAV, also namepros is a good teacher on how to make domaining business for them is not hard to learn everything posted here for free access, beside any end user can do same thing.
     
  19. ReallyBigIdea.com

    ReallyBigIdea.com Restricted (Chatroom)

    Posts:
    822
    Likes Received:
    724
    i was thinking about it and i think anyone can sell for whatever they want. e.g. i have domains (drops) that was owned by Mike Mann and listed on his DomainMarket.com - for 3- 4 figures and now i am selling them for $20 lol

    TopnotchBuilder.com
    BestWebsiteServices.com
    BuySellAutoparts.com
    Licience.com
    SEOandContent.com
    SunToShine.com
    etc..

    the same with BuyDomains.com domains i grabbed their drops that was listed for 4 figures and trying to sell it for low mid $xx.
     
  20. biggie

    biggie GreenFriendly.com VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    10,853
    Likes Received:
    12,264
    Hi

    unless i missed something, there's nothing there i would register

    imo...

    i
     
  21. Lox

    Lox _____ VIP Gold Account

    Posts:
    3,204
    Likes Received:
    5,269
    .
    Yes, previously
    ---
    @Grilled , I know this is q easy to tell but plz due diligence is a business and to spend your time, you want to make sure that you're getting paid for.
    Whether they are a friend, NPs member or domain investor, there are 2 ways to support somebody like you; PayPal donation or friends and family or PayPal business. Simple as that.
    From the last NPs drama, ... NPs moderators didn't received a penny or at least, a bottle of champagne.
    ---
    (The OP asked something about ... and I can assure you, there's a very very long and a bit+ complicated story / history behind.)

    Regards
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  22. Windoms

    Windoms Top Contributor VIP

    Posts:
    903
    Likes Received:
    1,491
    This has been going down since at least september 2019, many deleted domains ending up on $280 sav landers. I think they were unknown to namepros at the time.

    From what I saw domains are dropped after a year.

    I find nothing wrong with them or any registrar / industry stakeholder competing against us; its already happening.
     
  23. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
  24. Grilled

    Grilled xn--n48h.to VIP

    Posts:
    6,169
    Likes Received:
    9,200
    The way I see it, if I don't want to see a dropping domain listed for $280, I need to use Sav.com backorder to catch it, to keep it away from the $280 guy/gal/company.

    I could use dropcatch, and keep it away from the sav backorders, but that requires more $$$.

    I use sav every now and then to catch a few domains, and it works great. I recently caught one where it went to auction, but I had put an early backorder, making me have first bid at $6.95. The auction took about 10 days to complete, and it completed with no bids (I'm glad I didn't end up biding against the $280 guy/gal/company, or anyone for that matter) so I won the domain for the $6.95 backorder cost, which is less than verisign wholesale price, so thank you Sav.com 🙏

    My point being...there are multiple levels a registrar could compete against their customers. Whenever I miss a sav.com backorder, only to see the domain listed on HugeDomains, it makes me wonder if I could have won that domain by just paying a little more for a discount dropcatch.com order, or question if I should have pony'd up to a full dropcatch.com backorder, to ensure I would have caught the domain. Especially when hindsight shows there were no other dropcatch backorders.

    I guess the difference being, the auction traffic/integrity/prices at a dropcatch.com auction VS a sav.com auction. Assuming sav has less of a bidding base (for now), and a bidding war at Sav would warrant less eyes than a dropcatch.com bidding war. This is just a guess, as I haven't bid in a Sav auction in nearly a year, after the first auction turned into a headache of being charged individually for every bid I placed. But maybe their auction experience has improved?
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2021
  25. blogspotter

    blogspotter Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

    Posts:
    1,674
    Likes Received:
    3,855

Want to reply or ask your own question?

It only takes a minute to sign up – and it's free!
Topics / Tags:
biix
  1. NamePros uses cookies and similar technologies. By using this site, you are agreeing to our privacy policy, terms, and use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
Loading...