strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

[shilmy]

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

 

[BrandonAg]

Tell me what your guys opinions on this is:

I've snatched a domain that is not a word (to my knowledge anyway), but that is the name of a company.

Example:

Company: Thrisher Accounting
They own: Thrisherac.com
I own: www.Thrisher.com

I've checked USPTO and the search turned up there is no Trademark under the name I have.

My question to you guys is do you find these are worthwhile names to get seeing as they can only pertain to usually 1 company and if they don't want to buy you're out of luck?

 

[bgmv]

Question for you guys:

I snatched a name which belongs to a company but which is not a real word (to my knowledge anyway).

Example:

Company: Thrisher Accounting
They Own: Thrisherac.com
I own: Thrisher.com

I checked USPTO and found no trademark for the name.

Do you guys see these types of names as not worth it beings it usually can only pertain to 1 company and if they don't want to buy you are out of luck?

Some opinions would be great!

Well thats the type of name you want to buy, but the problem is the high risk. If you register your names with dynadot you grace delete for $1 if they arent interested.

 

[JoshuaPz]

The answer to that question is case-by-case. If the following two conditions hold:

(a) Thrisher.com was already registered at the time Thrisher Accounting registered ThrisherAc.com -AND-
(b) Thrisher Accounting's logo text looks something like:

THRISHER
Account Services LLC

...then your chances are pretty strong and you should certainly go for it. However, ThrisherAc.com doesn't exist and typing "Thrisher" into Google brings up no results; so I presume your example was fictitious.

As a bonus, try pulling up revenue figures for Fisher Accounting on Manta.com. If it $100K annually or higher, your probability of getting a bite from them is ever stronger.

 

[BrandonAg]

The answer to that question is case-by-case. If the following two conditions hold:

(a) Thrisher.com was already registered at the time Thrisher Accounting registered ThrisherAc.com -AND-
(b) Thrisher Accounting's logo text looks something like:

THRISHER
Account Services LLC

...then your chances are pretty strong and you should certainly go for it. However, ThrisherAc.com doesn't exist and typing "Thrisher" into Google brings up no results; so I presume your example was fictitious.

As a bonus, try pulling up revenue figures for Fisher Accounting on Manta.com. If it $100K annually or higher, your probability of getting a bite from them is ever stronger.

Joshua,

Your first condition is exactly what I was wondering about it. Is there any resource where I am able to find that information out?

My example was fictitious

I did pull revenue figures for the company yesterday and they are at $400,000.


BG - thank you for that! I will definitely go with dynadot!

 

[JoshuaPz]

Your first condition is exactly what I was wondering about it. Is there any resource where I am able to find that information out?

http://domain-history.domaintools.com

You'll need at least a DomainTools Silver account to use it, but it's well-worth the cost.

 

[fh08]

Is anybody else getting discouraged by Dynadot's new grace deletion policy? I currently have 10 names at Dynadot that have been in the grace delete queue for the past 2 days, and haven't been deleted yet. Some of those names had 3-4 prospects but didn't receive any interest. The possibility that they might not get deleted at all and that I might get stuck with paying 7.75*10=$77.5 is making me wonder if I can stay on in this business anymore. sigh.

 

[JoshuaPz]

Is anybody else getting discouraged by Dynadot's new grace deletion policy? I currently have 10 names at Dynadot that have been in the grace delete queue for the past 2 days, and haven't been deleted yet. Some of those names had 3-4 prospects but didn't receive any interest. The possibility that they might not get deleted at all and that I might get stuck with paying 7.75*10=$77.5 is making me wonder if I can stay on in this business anymore. sigh.

No end-user sales effort can be considered exhaustive until you have cold-called every single one of your prospects.

Also, if you're careful about the domains you catch, then you should certainly manage to sell 1 in every 10 domains you catch. Spend $77.50 on 10 names, flip 1 for $300 (a pretty average sale), walk away with $222.50 in profits. Still not too shabby, and this hypothetical scenario doesn't even account for revenue earned by liquidating the other 9 on NP or BuyDomains.com.

 

[fh08]

Thanks for the advice Joshua. I guess I need to work even harder now and keep calling endusers every chance I get.

 

[garptrader]

I'm curious if anyone has tried developing a minisite, positioned it well in Google or Yahoo, started generating some organic or link-based traffic off the domain and then attempted to sell to an enduser? One disadvantage is that the registrant is going to demand a higher price the buyer may not be willing to pay for their time invested in development. But the site's positioning in the search engines and traffic would have a value to that end user which would not have been possible without some development.

 

[nascar59]

awsome posts and advice that's why I like namepros,when you need some help most everyone gives out some great info thanks again

 

[fredfred9]

1.) Don't use a free email. That is dead on. Most end users will associate free email services and offers as scams. Using a proper email and providing contact information gives you credibility.

Why not setup google free email hosting on the domain and email directly from it? That way you can offer the potential purchaser an already setup email service at no extra cost.

Also I would imagine that if the email looks like it is coming from a competitor there would be a higher chance of it being opened and read?

 

[fh08]

Trademark-related question: I drop caught a domain yesterday that I'm going to call xxxgroup.com. I found out that there's a domain name called thexxxgroup.com and it is the official website of the one of the largest steel manufacturers in the world (British company). I checked the ipo.gov.uk site to see if xxxgroup is trademarked and found that it's not while thexxxgroup is trademarked (but apparently the current trademark status is expired). Their website was registered before mine though. Am I allowed to market the name to them??

 

[JoshuaPz]

Trademark-related question: I drop caught a domain yesterday that I'm going to call xxxgroup.com. I found out that there's a domain name called thexxxgroup.com and it is the official website of the one of the largest steel manufacturers in the world (British company). I checked the ipo.gov.uk site to see if xxxgroup is trademarked and found that it's not while thexxxgroup is trademarked (but apparently the current trademark status is expired). Their website was registered before mine though. Am I allowed to market the name to them??

If the trademark is listed as "Dead", then you would win the case if you were brought to court. However, that wouldn't stop them from intimidating you with court action.

Are they THE only company named xxxgroup that Google shows? If they are, you're essentially cybersquatting on a very well-known steel company's name, and that puts your credibility in danger.

You might try offering them the domain name anyway, but if I were you I'd ask for $2K, max, else I imagine they would seriously consider threatening to sue your ***.

Another factor to consider: were THEY the ones who dropped that domain? Check archive.org and domain-history.domaintools.com to learn the answer. If they were, they most likely did so intentionally.

 

[fh08]

The trademark isn't listed as 'dead' just 'expired', which is the same with the other 2 high-profile trademarks that this company owns which I find a little funny.

They are the only company named xxxgroup that Google shows, yes. But I found out right now that there's a small Mauritian company with a representative in the UK that owns the trademark for xxxgroup but they don't have a website or contact number.

I'm still a little unsure but I guess I'll try offering it to thexxxgroup (It's not their primary name anyway). If I sense trouble from them, I'm just going to drop it or give it to them for free.

 

[JoshuaPz]

Your end-user pricing cheatsheet

Posted in full here:
http://blog.nameflipper.com/pricing-domains-for-end-users-a-simple-cheat-sheet/

 

[Gene]

Fantastic information. Thanks for sharing this Joshua.

 

[fh08]

Nice, thanks for sharing.

 

[Nattydomain]

As always great info....Just to make sure im doing this correct I bought a reg fee domain about 4 days ago. Its a geo + product domain. Sent out 5 emails (for the surrounding area) and got back 1 reply. I was at work and they called. Then they emailed me (when they called they left no voicemail). I emailed back a price of $500 which fits about right with Josh company info. So far no reply but will respond back on Monday. If all goes well I have 5 other domains thet the domain itself fits the exsiting business BETTER or supports it in one way or another. Thanx again for all your info!

 

[garptrader]

Thanks Joshua for sharing your experience with the forum. Domainers have a tendency to price their inventory based on what they see on DNJournal and forget that DNJournal only reports the high-end sales while the typical sale is much lower. One comment I will add that I gathered from a domainer/blogger is that he made some sales to end users who already had good domains. Our efforts focused on companies with poor domains with the idea that they would be interested in a better alternative (without directly stating your domain is #@$%^&!). Obviously that approach did not work. Companies with poor domains may not see why they should spend money on a high-quality generic domain and thus often balk at the suggestion of paying more than $50 for a domain. And again the Spanish market is obviously less receptive to such offers than the English-speaking market.

 

[spikedo]

This should be nominated for Post of the Year. Fantastic infomation! We all appreciate you sharing Josh.

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