strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

shilmy · Feb 7, 2005

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

Jingles · Mar 23, 2009

Thanks, Gene and copper. I did a search at archive.org, and nothing is coming up. Yet, according to whois, there have been 10 records archived since 2007

Thank you as well, Joshua. I had a feeling it might be a sticky situation, I never even knew about this lock until today, and it's definitely something I'll have to keep in mind in the future.

mwzd · Mar 23, 2009

nicedomains said:
Seems a little harsh

nicedomains said:
I think that is what he is doing here at namepros, Samit... what is he guilty of being a noob? 8-X

For someone who's been around for a year you'd assume he would have spent some time in learning a little bit about domains, instead of buying cheap domains and hoping that people would pay 100s of dollars for it without a modicum of understanding why domains are worth 100s of dollars in the first place?

HBK216 said:
No offense but I think your response is unprofessional (even though you have somewhat of a point) considering your position here at Namepros.

I didn't know my position at Namepros requires that I do not speak the truth because it might hurt someone. If you find that unprofessional, thats your take.

T'is only because of my position here at Namepros that I even bother to try and tell people when they're going wrong. Want to quantify the time and effort theuniverse has spent on selling a domain that doesnt sell?

HBK216 said:
Each person whether it be domain registrant or business owner has an opinion as to what a name is worth. So while the poster could brush up on acquisition savvy, to outright say everything is crap is insulting & uncalled for.

Did anyone say that domaining is for people who don't use their brains?

After this domain has been indexed in all those threads above you'd assume that an end user is either dumb or an idiot to pay 100s of $$$ for that domain, most end users are not, everyone uses google nowadays. In fact, end users who will pay $$$ are quite savvy to the ways of the web, see Jingles post above.

Try to sell domains, yes. Try to make money, yes. But without knowledge all you'll be doing is 'leaving the business', which people claim to be doing with frightening regularity but never do.

MJ · Mar 24, 2009

Ahh... the taste of truth is so sweet and beautiful sounding. Don't run from it, embrace it.

Oompa · Mar 24, 2009

Could anybody help me or give me e-mail adresses via PM for video game end users?
I need to sell VideoGameBlog.net + BuyGames.me. Thanks

Fork · Mar 24, 2009

Oompa said:
Could anybody help me or give me e-mail adresses via PM for video game end users?
I need to sell VideoGameBlog.net + BuyGames.me. Thanks

This whole thread is dedicated to teaching you how to finding end users, not about doing the work for you. Why not take some time and read through it? It'll be a great set of information to have under your belt for future domain endeavors.

BitcoinDK · Mar 24, 2009

Shockt said:
Oompa said:

Could anybody help me or give me e-mail adresses via PM for video game end users?
I need to sell VideoGameBlog.net + BuyGames.me. Thanks

Click to expand...

This whole thread is dedicated to teaching you how to finding end users, not about doing the work for you. Why not take some time and read through it? It'll be a great set of information to have under your belt for future domain endeavors.

Yes, here you learn to fish, you do not get a fish for free.

HBK216 · Mar 24, 2009

Samit said:
Well then you've obviously missed all the posts the man has done for this exact domain trying to pump it in the hope that some other newbie will think its valuable.

http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-advertising-board/566772-why-do-people-neglect-some-domains.html
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/530576-message-to-end-users.html
http://www.namepros.com/website-dev...your-development-concepts-these-websites.html

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...ful-opportunity-you-lovepatient-com-sale.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...akes-patients-life-beautiful-lovepatient.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...omains-sale-including-consumerbazaar-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...patient-com-earnfast-info-greatspot-info.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...patient-com-earnfast-info-greatspot-info.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/561475-3-good-info-1-good-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...anufacturing-com-12-lovepatient-com-12-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...1-shoppy-mobi-lovepatient-com-make-offer.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...7-shoppy-mobi-lovepatient-com-make-offer.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/554849-love-makes-patient-beautiful.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/553914-lovepatient-com-make-offer.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/552215-lovepatient-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...epatient-com-6-onlineproperties-info-6-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-fixed-price/545187-each-8-bulk-12-lovepatient-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...atient-com-10-onlineproperties-info-10-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/529410-showcase-your-best-2-words-domains.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...ovepatient-com-minimum-starting-bid-15-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...vepatient-com-minimum-starting-bid-100-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-for-sale-sedo/533810-make-offer-sedo-com-makeok-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...180-bid-lovepatient-com-sedo-com-auction.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...autiful-domain-lovepatient-com-sale-love.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...autiful-domain-lovepatient-com-sale-love.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...eautiful-domain-lovepatient-com-for-sale.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...autiful-domain-lovepatient-com-sale-make.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/530850-lovepatient-com-makeok-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/529682-lovepatient-com-500-start.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-fixed-price/523193-lovepatient-com-price-500-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-fixed-price/519412-love-love-love-love-lovepatient-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...autiful-domain-lovepatient-com-sale-50-a.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-fixed-price/512937-do-you-love-patient-lovepatient-com.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/502973-do-you-love-your-patient.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/492259-lovepatient-com-make-right-offer.html
http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/476321-premium-domains-for-sale-auction.html

For someone who's been around for a year you'd assume he would have spent some time in learning a little bit about domains, instead of buying cheap domains and hoping that people would pay 100s of dollars for it without a modicum of understanding why domains are worth 100s of dollars in the first place?

I didn't know my position at Namepros requires that I do not speak the truth because it might hurt someone. If you find that unprofessional, thats your take.

T'is only because of my position here at Namepros that I even bother to try and tell people when they're going wrong. Want to quantify the time and effort theuniverse has spent on selling a domain that doesnt sell?

Did anyone say that domaining is for people who don't use their brains?

After this domain has been indexed in all those threads above you'd assume that an end user is either dumb or an idiot to pay 100s of $$$ for that domain, most end users are not, everyone uses google nowadays. In fact, end users who will pay $$$ are quite savvy to the ways of the web, see Jingles post above.

Try to sell domains, yes. Try to make money, yes. But without knowledge all you'll be doing is 'leaving the business', which people claim to be doing with frightening regularity but never do.

One of the points to being a moderator is to be courteous to other users. By coming off in such a manner with an opinion (even if most of us share it, it is still just an opinion in this case) is uncalled for.

I don't know where you get the whole brains part as I did not mention anything regarding that.

As far as other new members are concerned, they like any of us need to do our due diligence in regards to sales or purchases. So by insulting a name you don't care for under the premise of helping others out serves no legitimate purpose.

Kate · Mar 24, 2009

The first rule when contacting end users is not waste their time (and yours) with mediocre domains. Your own credibility is at stake.
End users are not dumb and they can feel it when the person at the other end is desperate to unload crap onto them :tri:

Today I received an E-mail offering a domain for sale, but it wasn't so great (I mean, both the E-mail and the domain).
The person should read this thread for advice.
Hint: he/she is member here. But it's not Theuniverse

nicedomains · Mar 24, 2009

HBK216 said:
One of the points to being a moderator is to be courteous to other users. By coming off in such a manner with an opinion (even if most of us share it, it is still just an opinion in this case) is uncalled for.

I disagree. As you can tell by his avatar, Samit has a really strong brain it pulsates and makes him smarter than everyone else which makes it ok for him to put down other members. [/sarcasm]

Samit said:
Well then you've obviously missed all the posts the man has done for this exact domain

No, I haven't missed anything.

trying to pump it in the hope that some other newbie will think its valuable.

wth?

For someone who's been around for a year you'd assume he would have spent some time in learning a little bit about domains, instead of buying cheap domains and hoping that people would pay 100s of dollars for it without a modicum of understanding why domains are worth 100s of dollars in the first place?

How the hell do you know how much someone has learned "about domains" here? and who are you to judge peoples trading strategies? I buy cheap domains all the time and expect people will pay 100s of dollars for them.

I didn't know my position at Namepros requires that I do not speak the truth because it might hurt someone. If you find that unprofessional, thats your take.

Exactly what truth are you speaking here? Are you saying it is a fact this guys domains are crap? Is it also a fact that an end user MUST be stupid or idiotic to buy domains whose sales threads are indexed in search engines?

Let's cut the crap. Where do you get off ruining this thread by trashing a member that is asking for help??

ripley · Mar 24, 2009

Samit, you're my buddy, jigglies and all, but I pretty much agree with nicedomains even though I don't think your points were necessarily all wrong -- but there's a way to say things without being personally insulting. If I were RJ, I wouldn't want one of my moderators representing my forum in that manner. Because when you're posting as a moderator, that's what you are -- a representative for NamePros. Maybe RJ doesn't care, but I would.

ripley.

Kenny · Mar 24, 2009

:wave: Time to get this back On Topic.

Personal opinions aside, this thread is about finding endusers.

Lets get back to it, please.

Thanks,
Cy

mwzd · Mar 24, 2009

HBK216 said:
One of the points to being a moderator is to be courteous to other users. By coming off in such a manner with an opinion (even if most of us share it, it is still just an opinion in this case) is uncalled for.

Fair enough... theuniverse, you have an unconditional apology from me since the way it was said was wrong, even though the intent was to help, not to be offensive.

Though I'll reiterate - learn what makes domains valuable, that will help both, your purchase and sales decisions and provide you with better ROI.

HBK216 said:
So by insulting a name you don't care for under the premise of helping others out serves no legitimate purpose.

Not just me tbh, no one on this forum at least finds it anywhere close to 'valuable' or it would have sold by now.

nicedomains said:
I disagree. As you can tell by his avatar, Samit has a really strong brain it pulsates and makes him smarter than everyone else which makes it ok for him to put down other members. [/sarcasm]

Wow, its ok for you to insult people, but when I insult a domain its a personal affront?

nicedomains said:
Exactly what truth are you speaking here?

The same truth i've mentioned above in this post, or even my original one. Knowing which domain is valuable, why and to whom is half the battle won.

And like the man said, lets get back on topic, if you must say anything else on this topic, feel free to pm me or use the small exclamation point next to the post to report it and you can talk directly to management about it.

NP41215 · Mar 25, 2009

amcdonald said:
This was suggested before on another forum, and may have already been mentioned here.
I have had decent luck finding end users by buying google ads with adwords for those exact search terms in the domain, I often linked to my afternic or sedo sales page for that domain. I have sold about 5 domains this way.

Interesting approach, amcdonald.

What price range did you end up selling your domains this way and were they dot coms? How much did you end up spending per domain on the adwords and are you still using this approach?

Thanks, and repped.

NP

P.S.: I just discovered the rep function and so will rep Joshua and others who have been helpful. Sorry for being so ignorant about using the rep button, even though I did express thanks and appreciation in words.

Vrytek · Mar 25, 2009

Fantastic thread. It's been so useful, think I'll read it again :D

I'm pretty new to the domaining business. I registered a couple of names which I thought were worth millions, but I know better now.

I tried contacting a bunch of potential end users for one of my domains. My domain had something to do with sports and employment as did all the companies I contacted. Sent mails out to a dozen firms and 10 minutes later got a reply from a Blackberry asking "How much?". I rather panicked cause I hadn't thought about that and obviously I needed to reply right away.

Here's the mail with the necessary domains and mail ID's xxxed out:

Code:

Hi,
 
Thanks for your interest. 
 
Swiftappraisal.com values the domain at USD 500, but I'm willing to let it go at USD 300.
 
 
Regards,
 
xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:49:34 AM
Subject: Re: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx: xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Domain name

How much ?

------Original Message------
From: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
To: [email protected]
Subject: xxxxxx xxxxxxx: xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx Domain name
Sent: Mar 10, 2009 11:10 PM

This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com from:
xxxxx xxxxx <[email protected]>

Hi,

I have the domain name xxxxxxxxxx.xxx available for sale. It's a name that's very much inline with your business and it could be an additional way to drive visitors to your current website.

If you are interested in purchasing the domain, please reply to [email protected]. If not, please ignore this mail.

Regards,

XXXXXXXX

I know, awful approach mail and even worse follow up mail with the "Swiftappraisal.com values the domain at USD 500" to an end user. Thanks to Josh and all the others, I now have some idea about how to go about this.

Now, it's obvious that they are interested. How long would you'll suggest I wait before I try and contact them again?

Kenny · Mar 25, 2009

Vikz said:
Fantastic thread. It's been so useful, think I'll read it again :D

I'm pretty new to the domaining business. I registered a couple of names which I thought were worth millions, but I know better now.

I tried contacting a bunch of potential end users for one of my domains. My domain had something to do with sports and employment as did all the companies I contacted. Sent mails out to a dozen firms and 10 minutes later got a reply from a Blackberry asking "How much?". I rather panicked cause I hadn't thought about that and obviously I needed to reply right away.

Here's the mail with the necessary domains and mail ID's xxxed out:

Code:

Hi, Thanks for your interest. Swiftappraisal.com values the domain at USD 500, but I'm willing to let it go at USD 300. Regards, xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:49:34 AM Subject: Re: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx: xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Domain name How much ? ------Original Message------ From: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx To: [email protected] Subject: xxxxxx xxxxxxx: xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx Domain name Sent: Mar 10, 2009 11:10 PM This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com from: xxxxx xxxxx <[email protected]> Hi, I have the domain name xxxxxxxxxx.xxx available for sale. It's a name that's very much inline with your business and it could be an additional way to drive visitors to your current website. If you are interested in purchasing the domain, please reply to [email protected]. If not, please ignore this mail. Regards, XXXXXXXX

I know, awful approach mail and even worse follow up mail with the "Swiftappraisal.com values the domain at USD 500" to an end user. Thanks to Josh and all the others, I now have some idea about how to go about this.

Now, it's obvious that they are interested. How long would you'll suggest I wait before I try and contact them again?

I'd Start at $500.00, since that is what the "appraisal" states as its value, and that is what they replied to.

You can always go down.

Good Luck!

Cy

bgmv · Mar 25, 2009

Vikz said:
Fantastic thread. It's been so useful, think I'll read it again :D

I'm pretty new to the domaining business. I registered a couple of names which I thought were worth millions, but I know better now.

I tried contacting a bunch of potential end users for one of my domains. My domain had something to do with sports and employment as did all the companies I contacted. Sent mails out to a dozen firms and 10 minutes later got a reply from a Blackberry asking "How much?". I rather panicked cause I hadn't thought about that and obviously I needed to reply right away.

Here's the mail with the necessary domains and mail ID's xxxed out:

Code:

Hi, Thanks for your interest. Swiftappraisal.com values the domain at USD 500, but I'm willing to let it go at USD 300. Regards, xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:49:34 AM Subject: Re: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx: xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Domain name How much ? ------Original Message------ From: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx To: [email protected] Subject: xxxxxx xxxxxxx: xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx Domain name Sent: Mar 10, 2009 11:10 PM This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com from: xxxxx xxxxx <[email protected]> Hi, I have the domain name xxxxxxxxxx.xxx available for sale. It's a name that's very much inline with your business and it could be an additional way to drive visitors to your current website. If you are interested in purchasing the domain, please reply to [email protected]. If not, please ignore this mail. Regards, XXXXXXXX

I know, awful approach mail and even worse follow up mail with the "Swiftappraisal.com values the domain at USD 500" to an end user. Thanks to Josh and all the others, I now have some idea about how to go about this.

Now, it's obvious that they are interested. How long would you'll suggest I wait before I try and contact them again?

If they dont get back to you within 3 days, say Friday, then email them again on Monday asking if they had time to consider your offer. If they dont respond to that email within a day then send a followup stating that you lowered the price. If you want PM me the domain name, it may make things a little easier in terms of valuation. Sometimes EU just want to know how much, with no intention of buying, other times they have a price in mind and if you overshoot they get scared and will not reply.

Vrytek · Mar 25, 2009

Thanks for the advice Cy and bgmv. Sending a PM to you now bgmv. If it's allowed, I wouldn't mind posting my domain name and the company I contacted right here.

Edit: I hadn't done any follow up on this contact till just now and I believe that the mail I received asking me "How much?" was from the President of the company. The two letter mail ID which were obviously his initials, matches the initials of the President on the About us page of the company's site. First time lucky I guess getting through directly to a decision maker

lincolndsp · Mar 25, 2009

Vikz said:
Thanks for the advice Cy and bgmv. Sending a PM to you now bgmv. If it's allowed, I wouldn't mind posting my domain name and the company I contacted right here.

Edit: I hadn't done any follow up on this contact till just now and I believe that the mail I received asking me "How much?" was from the President of the company. The two letter mail ID which were obviously his initials, matches the initials of the President on the About us page of the company's site. First time lucky I guess getting through directly to a decision maker

great job. Wish you a nice sale

Vrytek · Mar 25, 2009

Thank you. bgmv has been very helpful (PM). Will post here next week however it works out

NP41215 · Mar 26, 2009

I just found this appraisal site a few minutes ago:
http://www.webvaluer.org/

My experience is that most appraisal sites are way off, some by gross under-estimating, and others gross over-estimating. I checked a few names, and my impression is that the above site gives low estimates, but then does not give ridiculously low estimates as some domain tools do. But still on the low side, often very low, though perhaps not ridiculously low.

What do you think? Any better alternatives?

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