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I bought a domain name nearly 40 years ago which I renew every 10 years or so. But I consider myself "a beginner" because I haven't done anything except renew that domain name every 10 years and update the website now and then (by hand).

Recently I attempted to buy a currently unowned domain name for a friend, and this has led me to believe the registrar industry is the most dishonest and corrupt industry on planet earth. So my question is two-fold.

#1: Are registrars in fact the most corrupt organizations on planet earth ... as they appear to me?

#2: How can I buy a currently unowned domain name and nothing but the domain name for 10 years (or common period) at the lowest price ... and at the same time follow the KISS principle (KISS == keep it simple, stupid).

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If you are a registrar --- do not reply to this message because I already know I cannot trust anything you say. And if you are someone who just repeats what registrars tell you, also please don't answer. If you have a fair degree of knowledge and experience with domain names and the registration process, then please do answer! :)

Let me describe a few of my recent experiences so you will understand why I am so angry at registrar entities.

First I checked to find unowned domain names similar to what I wanted. First I checked with the whois app on my linux mint 22 computer. A couple plausible domain names were already taken, but the third one I checked was not yet owned.

So naively I went to a few of the registrar companies that people recommend. And guess what? They asked insane prices (namely thousands of dollars). WTF? As I recall, I was paying $60 for 10 years for my long-held domain name, which I got from network solutions decades ago and renewed ever since. I'm not sure, but network solutions might have been the only place to get domain names way back when I got mine.

Anyway, with whois (and by searching on other websites that I no longer remember), I found the expiry date on the domain that nobody owns was listed as "3 days in the future" and was currently owned by the registrar I tried to buy from. Say what? This implies, if not outright for-sure means the obvious, right? That when I asked about buying the domain name "cheap", the registrar has some fancy way (probably an agreement with ICANN that is only available to registrars) to reserve a domain name for 3 days or so. In that way they can claim "the name is taken" and then RAPE YOU for thousands of dollars per year while they pay $0.16 per year (or whatever ICANN now charges). And if you don't buy ... it returns to the "unowned pool" ???

If this isn't blatant corruption, I don't know what is. Unless, of course, this kind of blatant fraud is now "standard practice". But even if that's true, that just says the entire industry is totally corrupt.

Note that I tried this with a couple other domain names (that I was not interested in, to avoid possibly creating "signs of interest" in the domain name I am interested in) ... and I experienced similar results.

I am also angered by the endless questions and answers I see under google searches that are obviously planted by utterly corrupt registrar owners or employees. Why? Because they do not give honest answers to the question, but instead give answers cleverly crafted to deceive people and mislead them to buy high-priced domain names and other services.

In short, everywhere I look I see nothing but overtly criminal behavior from registrars. Just go read answers to simple questions on google someday if you doubt me (and know anything at all about domain names). And to be clear, I do NOT know much about domain names, I simply have a little experience with them and I'm not stupid. And that is enough to totally scandalize me. I have been an electronics designer and software developer for decades, but haven't much dealt with domain names, servers and websites.

I will appreciate answers to my questions. How can I get a currently unowned domain name cheap ... and explain whether the industry is as utterly corrupt as it seems to me (and how to avoid that corruption).
 
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I bought a domain name nearly 40 years ago
Welcome to the forum!

Which year did you register this domain, and in what TLD?

All the best.
 
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I don't know what year exactly. Maybe if I was to search my network solutions account I could find out, but my current questions are not related to that original domain name. I'm also not sure what TLD is.
 
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You can check the registration date with the whois utility you mentioned.

Alternatively, use https://lookup.icann.org/ and let me know which year.
 
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Why do you need to know information about my old domain name when my questions have nothing to do with that? I feel like I am being fished. After my experiences described above, I am especially wary of revealing information about myself. Who knows what nefarious registrars who read these messages might do with such information?
 
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It appears the first registration of my domain name was 1988.

Does my recent experience seem odd to you? How? If so, tell me how I can simply register an unowned domain name and nothing else. That should be easy, right? But that's not the experience I have had. I don't even DARE to mention the domain name I really want, because I know they will use that information to totally screw me.
 
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Perhaps others would like to help you further.
 
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So naively I went to a few of the registrar companies that people recommend. And guess what? They asked insane prices (namely thousands of dollars). WTF? As I recall, I was paying $60 for 10 years for my long-held domain name, which I got from network solutions decades ago and renewed ever since. I'm not sure, but network solutions might have been the only place to get domain names way back when I got mine.
What registrars? What extension(s)?

Unless a domain is already registered, or some oddball extension with registry "premium" attached, registrars don't charge thousands of dollars for unregistered domains in major extensions like com, net, org, etc.

Anyway, with whois (and by searching on other websites that I no longer remember), I found the expiry date on the domain that nobody owns was listed as "3 days in the future" and was currently owned by the registrar I tried to buy from. Say what? This implies, if not outright for-sure means the obvious, right? That when I asked about buying the domain name "cheap", the registrar has some fancy way (probably an agreement with ICANN that is only available to registrars) to reserve a domain name for 3 days or so. In that way they can claim "the name is taken" and then RAPE YOU for thousands of dollars per year while they pay $0.16 per year (or whatever ICANN now charges). And if you don't buy ... it returns to the "unowned pool" ???
How is a domain currently registered if nobody owns it?

Most WHOIS information is private, so it's not usually that easy to tell who owns a domain.

It sounds like the domain you are trying to buy is just already registered.

What does the underlying WHOIS info show here?

https://lookup.icann.org/en

I will appreciate answers to my questions. How can I get a currently unowned domain name cheap ... and explain whether the industry is as utterly corrupt as it seems to me (and how to avoid that corruption).
Well, if a domain is unregistered there are any number of quality registrars you can register it with.

Dynadot is a good one for example -
https://www.dynadot.com/domain/tlds-prices

Brad
 
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It's not corrupt and when people don't get the full story it's hard to determine what's actually going on.

Sometimes you can check the whois, and it will show a domain name available. You think great, I can go register this .com for $10 to $15 at my favorite registrar.

You get there and you see a premium price, this is not the registrar scamming anyone. It means someone else owns the domain name, has it for sale and the registrar participates in one of the distribution networks, Afternic or Sedo.

So let's say hypothetically you were looking to sell your 1988 domain name. You open an account at Afternic, they are owned by GoDaddy.

You change the nameservers to Ns1.afternic.com Ns2.afternic.com. Now that domain name of yours will not just show for sale at GoDaddy the parent company of Afternic. But approximately 150 other registrars that show your name in their registration path.

If someone sees 1988example.com for sale at $10,000 and clicks purchase at a registrar in the Afternic network, the domain name will be sold, there will be a 15% commission and in 1 to 10 days you will receive $8500.

It should be noted that if you opened an account at Afternic to list it for sale but kept your own nameservers the commission would be 25%.

Most likely you got a bad reply within whois and the owner of the domain name you searched has it for sale and it shows for sale at THEIR asking price at all participating partners.

https://www.afternic.com/legal/agreements/pricing-and-fees

All this is on the understanding you were looking for a .com/.net/.org

If you were searching a new gtld like .media, .online, .shop or 4500 more these could have a premium registration price. Set by the registry not the registrar.
 
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So well explained by @bmugford and @equity78.

I hope their explanation has reduced your enormous distrust of domain registrars.

Happy domaining!
 
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The domain name I wanted to register was a .com domain.

I had this problem about a month ago and don't remember for certain which registrars. But it was 2 or 3 of the most popular registrars ... almost certainly godaddy and namecheap ... and probably bluehost but not sure.

About your question being "already registered", let me repeat what happened so you are totally clear.

I first verified the domain I wanted to host by doing "whois peekaboo.com" ... where "peekaboo" is not the domain name I searched for --- but is simply a substitute for purposes of not revealing the name I want within this forum message. The query with the "whois" indicated nobody owned the domain name I wanted.

So THEN I went to one of the registrars to buy or "register" the domain name. When I entered the domain name I wanted there (which had just appeared as not owned by anyone in the "whois" app in linux mint 22 ... the registrar said THEY owned that domain name and would sell to me for something like $2500. I don't remember if that was $2500 just once, or $2500 per year. Either way I was scandalized.

So THEN I went to yet another site to look up the data on the domain name. And it agreed that the first registrar that I contacted a few minutes before owned the domain name, and the expiration date for the domain name was 3 days in the future.

To be clear, this means I executed whois ... then went to the registrar website that claimed they owned the domain name ... then went to another registrar website that claimed the same but also told me the expiration date was 3 days in the future. And all this happened within a few minutes --- probably 10 minutes.

So the domain name went from "nobody owns the domain name" to "registrar #1 owns the name and wants $2500 to sell to me" immediately after I tried to register that domain name with registrar #1.

Get it? What registrar #1 did was to see my request ... somehow immediately buy the domain name for 3 days ... then tell me they owned the domain name but would sell to me for $2500 (but did not tell me how long they had supposedly owned the domain name). But then when I checked with another registrar #2 because what happened with registrar #1 was obviously corrupt ... they included the fact the domain name ownership expires in 3 days.

To me, this tells me that ICANN has some kind of deal with registrars that allows registrars to put a temporary 3-day hold on domain names without actually buying them ... or otherwise ICANN will sell the domain name to the registrar for only 3 days (probably for $0.16 or something cheap like that), which the registrar companies use to run the scam I mentioned.

It doesn't matter whether actual domain name owners are kept private or not. There is a DIFFERENCE in the information specified by "whois" or any other domain name service between an UNOWNED domain name ... and an OWNED domain name (whether the owner is hidden or not). Don't you agree? And I don't care who owns any domain name either --- I just need to be able to distinguish whether NOBODY or SOMEBODY owns the name. Right?

And yes, I was very careful to make sure I entered the exact same domain name in all cases.

Plus I repeated this process again with a totally different bogus domain name (in the sense that I was not actually interested in the domain name) ... and experienced the same behavior.

Hey. If I can buy an unowned domain name cheap --- why won't anyone here tell me how?

Okay, let's do a test. I just went to the lookup icann link you mentioned and entered the domain name I want. That then displayed in a blue box the blue text that reads ...

The requested domain was not found in the Registry or Registrar's RDAP server.

NOW --- if I go to buy that domain name and someone tries to charge me $2500 ... and then my next check says the registrar owns that domain name --- THEN what do you say is happening?

Do I have to go to a more expensive registrar like dynadot to avoid being scammed like I described? Or is $12 per year the current "cheap going rate" to register a dot-com domain name? I really don't want to try one of the cheapskate registrars if that makes me go through that process again --- though I supposed I could try with an unowned bogus domain name I don't care about.

Thanks for your suggestions. I will post what happens once I decide which registrar to try again with. :)
 
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Hey. If I can buy an unowned domain name cheap --- why won't anyone here tell me how?
There are any number of registrars with "cheap" domain registrations.

Here is a list of major registrars by .COM price, some of which include promotions -

https://tld-list.com/tld/com

Do I have to go to a more expensive registrar like dynadot to avoid being scammed like I described? Or is $12 per year the current "cheap going rate" to register a dot-com domain name? I really don't want to try one of the cheapskate registrars if that makes me go through that process again --- though I supposed I could try with an unowned bogus domain name I don't care about.
I have no idea what is going on to be honest.

However, $11.99 is not exactly some outrageous registration fee. I think the .COM wholesale is around $10 now, and soon to go up even more next month.

Brad
 
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Do I have to go to a more expensive registrar like dynadot to avoid being scammed like I described?
Hello, welcome to NamePros!

In fact, Dynadot is one of the cheaper, in my experience. I get priced around Usd 22 per year for a .com, for example.
 
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NOW --- if I go to buy that domain name and someone tries to charge me $2500 ... and then my next check says the registrar owns that domain name --- THEN what do you say is happening?
There is also a chance you are dealing with an orphaned aftermarket listing.

For instance someone might have owned the domain at some point and listed it on the marketplace.
In the meantime, the domain might have expired and dropped.

That listing could still be there and shows up when you try to registrar it.

I have seen that issue in the past at a few different marketplaces.

Brad
 
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they included the fact the domain name ownership expires in 3 days.

When you register a domain, the minimum time period is 365 days.

That means the domain you are trying to register was registered at least 362 days ago despite what your Linux whois query told you.

You can verify the creation date by running a WHOIS query at

https://webwhois.verisign.com/webwhois-ui/index.jsp?language=en_us

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I'm inclined to think -guess- that it could have been something of the sort @bmugford mentioned earlier, the orphaned listing. I was now remembering that it happened to me a few times in the past when attempting to register a domain on Namecheap that had dropped shortly before, it appeared as still registered, then went to another registrar and successfully registered it.
 
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I will apply all the above wisdom and suggestions and report my results.
 
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#1: Are registrars in fact the most corrupt organizations on planet earth ... as they appear to me?

ftw

J.C. reggeford Jr., I got to quit drinking and prosaposting.
 
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NetSol customer account holder since 1999
 
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