Labeled as advice in General Domain Discussion, started by News, Dec 14, 2019
Great article on importance of hard work, discipline and consistency. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, there is a lot of BS in the "success" field.
I want to write a get rich quick book.
What is the plan to get rich? Write a get rich quick book
Thanks for the article...newbies in this industry should read it before beginning hoeing in these rows.
That excellent article highlights what the majority of successful people in most fields know and practice;
Hard work - Long hours - Determination - Self Disciple - Sacrifice - Repeat - Etc.
A proven and valuable blueprint for success with domains names, as well!
Thanks for posting!
It seems the article is no longer available or is it just me?
In 1999 through early 2000s I had a huge Club Music / DJ community. I grew it to 35,000 members in 2-3 years. People tossed around words like lucky and easy .. but nobody realised that on top of my full time "real world" job, I was working 50-60 hours a week developing content. On top of that I had developed some great efficiencies and most certainly had found some custom secret tricks to growth. But the reason I was so successful (with $0 marketing) was hard work.
That being said .. this time around with my daily lists at NameCult I find myself a little more frustrated. For a couple of years now, day in and day out I post the most comprehensive manually curated list of expiring domains in the industry. Yet even after hundreds and hundreds of daily auction and closeout lists, most people don't bother to use the affiliate links .. or even more frustrating .. most don't even bother clicking like/thanks for my lists here at NamePros.
Beyond that, even NamePros doesn't think my site is worthy enough to merit a "NameCult" badge .. lol. I guess the biggest part of the problem is that nobody really wants to talk about my lists because those that use it don't want other people to find my list which would effectively mean more competition for the same names. On top of that I'm thinking "lists" aren't very SEO friendly compared to text articles.
Heck .. even Domaining.com refused to post links to my daily lists because the other people who make lists don't want it. That just boggled my mind as I thought to myself: shouldn't it be in the best interest for their readers to have the best daily lists possible? Apparently not!? lol
At a certain point hard work only goes so far .. after a while if the industry you're trying to serve doesn't show any respect, then that "boulder" you're talking about suddenly starts to feel significantly heavier than it actually is.
So on that note Michael/ @Whizzbang .. thank you for your blog, your writing/musings and most importantly .. your time!
Interesting read. Thanks for the article.
That is weird. It worked for me yesterday but spins forever today. Hopefully just temporary and will come back. If it does not come back, @WatchDogue has accurately captured what it says...
Although from a domain writer, it is about success as a blogger or in general with most enterprises.
As WatchDogue says, the idea I think does work for domain investing though. Working hard, being patient, being consistent, being disciplined will, for most, eventually pay off if part of that work is to become as informed as possible.
UPDATE: The link now works for me (from Canada) again.
Tell us more. Don't hold back.
Hi @Ategy thank you for mentioning both successes and frustrations associated with hard work. I agree. I think to some degree there is such an avalanche of information in the domaining industry that even some quality content, like your hand-curated lists, may get overlooked. I am not sure I know the solution, but just wanted to say thank you for what you do.
So I agree that hard work is part of success, but does not guarantee success. In domaining, or almost anything I guess.
I think that there is something to be said for consistency. I suspect that your list compilation has been highly useful to your personal domain investing. You have an intimate knowledge of what works, what is dropping, what is available, and have picked some gems from that intelligence. The discipline of doing them has probably brought a structure to your domain investing that might have not been as strong without compiling the lists.
I started about 17 months ago each day composing one Tweet about the NameBio additions along with a hand curated selection of names that seemed noteworthy from the additions (often but not always the highest sales). I think this has been very useful in my own learning, but other than a few thanks largely from the same few Twitter followers (thank you to them!) I sometimes wondered if the work is worth it. I even questioned it in a tweet a few months ago, and more than I thought jumped in to say keep doing it.
For me looking each and every day at the entire NameBio list helped me see how much was left out if one simplified to the standard "rules". Also, I sensed changes over time, even in less than two years, in styles and in niches. So sometimes, the hard work helps ourselves, even if the external appreciation seems lacking.
Thanks for all of your hard work. And thank you to everyone who goes out of their way to appreciate hard work done by others here on NamePros (which many many people do daily). Some of the regulars here have given a legendary number of likes and thanks on NamePros.
Works fine now
Part of the problem is the same age old psychological "it has to be my idea" aspect held by most domain investors. That is why you will see many people hand regging hot garbage on a daily basis, spending well more than they should have while building a much lesser quality portfolio. It doesn't matter that the names don't have any chance at a sale, it is "their genius idea". It's impulsive and shows a lack of patience, but its "their idea" and that's all that matters. That's why most wont take advantage of your hard work, and it's also why most in this business will always fail.
I rarely ever read other people's lists. I track auctions, expiring domains, expired domains myself and I am sure at least few thousand of other people do the same on a daily basis. You sound like you believe that every domain registration for a name that was in your list...happens because of your list!
@Ategy just wanted to let you know, I have been well aware of your lists for a long time, but have never had the desire to peruse them for my own benefit. Reason being is, personally finding expired domains, hand regs, etc etc is like a hunt, and going through what another domainer has gleaned kills the experience of finding that "nugget" that I believe I've discovered on my own. Really just a mental thing. The NP marketplace, rather than lists, is a different story, because in my eyes it is a true "hunt".
Although I'm sure many are appreciative and likely use your lists, perhaps they just aren't showing it (could be a pride thing), so I would encourage that they do, especially beginners. There's not many members here that provide the extensive and exhaustive info that you do in terms of saving other folks the homework. So, thank you! Someone want to nominate Ategy over in the Awards thread or what??
No drama .. lol .. nothing more to say. Earlier this year I asked if NameCult could be added to their stream of industry news. I was told no because there was already 3-4 bloggers with lists for years and they didn't want Domaining to add any more.
I understand the perspective of the other sites, as it's more competition for them. I just didn't understand the perspective of Domaining. While I might understand them wanting to not flood their link list with only links to domain lists, you'd think they'd want the best and most unique lists for their audience.
I got the reply almost right away, so I don't think it was against me or NameCult personally .. but I obviously still found it frustrating. In all fairness I was told that if I shifted the blog to be over 50% news (vs lists), then then might accept it. But given I post 2 lists a day, that would mean I'd have to write 15 articles a week .. and I already spend hours a day for the lists AND post all my ramblings already here at NamePros AND have a full-time job outside the domain industry (and need to walk little Steamie).
The problem is that most people don't consider curated lists as content.
I suppose the logical solution would for me to take my list private. I wonder how much HugeDomains would pay me for the double benefit of not just having my list .. but more importantly of me NOT sharing it? lol .. My list likely costs them a few thousand dollars a day and a loss of potential inventory!
lol .. I'm the first person to say that in order to have the most success people should go through the main master lists themselves SPECIFICALLY to find good domains other people (including myself) miss. No list will ever get them all .. not even close. Before I shared my list the only list I checked was Shane's, although that was mostly for the blog portion and the comments, as even back then when I started most of the names I wanted on their list I already had on mine.
However .. that said .. there are consistently over 150 views for my list here at NamePros every day .. and most days I get less than 3 likes/thanks. That's all I was really talking about here. It's not that I think more people should use my lists .. it's not that I think I'm better than anyone else .. but I'm simply saying it's frustrating to get little thanks or respect from the many who obviously do use my lists on a daily basis.
As for me thinking every domain on my list that was registered is because of me .. that's simply absurd! In fact I always stress that most of the names on my list are there because they are NOTABLE and not because they are necessarily INVESTABLE (HUGE DIFFERENCE). There most definitely are some that are registered each day because of me .. but just from a logical standpoint the maximum would be those that were listed with no bids and then didn't make it to the end of closeout. Then obviously you need to remove the most obvious ones (oldest/high GD valuation/etc). The max I'd say would be 10% of domains on my list sell because of my list that would not have otherwise had sold (maybe a little more, but likely less). That being said though .. some people do discover good domains that already had bids thanks to my list. I suppose in the end there's likely a huge variety of domainers who use my list from big buyers, to simple observers.
lol .. no worries .. that's all good. In fact .. the best way to find gems for cheap is to go through the full ~50,000 domain master list each day yourself. 100% without a doubt this is what every domainer should be doing if they want optimal acquisitions.
I don't go through anyone else's list myself .. so I can totally relate!
Again .. it's not about awards or anything beyond just people actually using my affiliate links if they use my list .. and clicking like/thanks if you're one of the ~100-150 people who use the lists at NamePros. Neither actually costs anyone anything.
I agree. I see this quite frequently.
While creativity can be an asset, it can be a major liability when you are too cute and creative.
Good domains generally don't need a major explanation or sales pitch to be valuable.
This is almost 2020. .COM is mature and has 140M+ registrations at this point.
Most stuff that is still available is available for a reason...
I just reviewed your latest list and am impressed. A beautiful and clean work that could be enough for someone´s day job.
I read several times in this forum that domaining is a mix between art and science. That´s what your work looks like.
Thanks for that. I may use it from time to time in the future and only click the affiliate link in case!
Doing this for years you must have an informational advantage. Did you ever try to use it by taking the best closeouts for yourself and selling them asap in the forum for the double price or so? Or would you create a bottomless pit?
Just an idea. You know which names are taken as closeouts or registered after the drop. You also know which of these names are sold later if sales are reported. Thus your understanding of some sale patterns and closeout values should be deeper than the knowledge of most of us, besides machines.
Hope to see you all one day at webmasterevents.
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