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question How Much Does Your Country of Origin Matter?

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Reyginus

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So, I've been chatting with this enduser for about a month. He is a bit popular in his field and was in the middle east during the period.

He already agreed to buy my name but he kept insisting on a call when he returns. I had no problem with that.

We went back and forth and on many occasions I told him how to get the name on both dan and afternic (if he doesn't trust dan). Even when he went quiet for weeks I'd ask if he's still interested and he'd say yes but after a call when he returns.

Yesterday, the call happened. I called first and he claimed to be in a meeting and promised to call later. When he did, the question he asked was where I come from. I told him 100%. He didn't ask any other question. Then he said he's thinking of closing the business and the deal can no longer go through.

I took it calmly even though I knew my response to his question was the problem. He could have asked me this in the course of our chats. I thought he wanted to know more about MS, CPC, SV, etc., in that order, but he wanted to know where I come from.

It got me thinking many things. Do we have to lie to endusers in such cases (even though I'd never do that or apologize for where I come from)? What's the extent of lies (or business tricks) we can tell or use? Should country even matter? And what's the best response to such an enduser? Is a call even necessary for names less than $1000?
 
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Reyginus

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I do not think it is a common question, but some have prejudices against people from certain countries, so I would just ignore it and hope that there will be others who are interested. Lying makes no sense in my eyes - Where are you from?
I understand but he is interested in the name because, at least, he believes it has value and would be beneficial to him. I'm from Nigeria.
 

Zanok

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Since you guys would have used a third-party to safely handle the transaction, your country of origin is such an irrelevant information for him to gather.

Experience taught me that being interested and being interested enough to click on that Buy Now button are unfortunately two completely different things in this industry.

Based on your side of the story, it seems like he had a limited level of interest for the domain, combined with a lack of seriousness.
 
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NickB

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Unfortunately some people are just bigoted - your country of origin should have no bearing what so ever on closing a deal, but certain idiots read about scams and then decide to tar a whole country based on a few scum bags.

Every single country has thieves, con artists, scammers etc but the media, popular content creators etc etc play up the stereotypical myth that certain crimes comes from certain countries......

Load of BS.......

Seems the prat you were dealing with falls under this umbrella
 

FolioTeam

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So, I've been chatting with this enduser for about a month. He is a bit popular in his field and was in the middle east during the period.

He already agreed to buy my name but he kept insisting on a call when he returns. I had no problem with that.

We went back and forth and on many occasions I told him how to get the name on both dan and afternic (if he doesn't trust dan). Even when he went quiet for weeks I'd ask if he's still interested and he'd say yes but after a call when he returns.

Yesterday, the call happened. I called first and he claimed to be in a meeting and promised to call later. When he did, the question he asked was where I come from. I told him 100%. He didn't ask any other question. Then he said he's thinking of closing the business and the deal can no longer go through.

I took it calmly even though I knew my response to his question was the problem. He could have asked me this in the course of our chats. I thought he wanted to know more about MS, CPC, SV, etc., in that order, but he wanted to know where I come from.

It got me thinking many things. Do we have to lie to endusers in such cases (even though I'd never do that or apologize for where I come from)? What's the extent of lies (or business tricks) we can tell or use? Should country even matter? And what's the best response to such an enduser? Is a call even necessary for names less than $1000?
This is usually peculiar to outbound sales where you are the one chasing the sale and less the case with inbound sales where the buyer comes to you.

The internet is more or less unregulated and any transaction or communication is bound to be met with some scepticism when compared to in-person transactions. So, I don't really blame the guy for insisting on the call.

Does location matter? Sadly, yes. It might not be fair, but it's what it is. Just ensure that in your own small way, you are changing the narrative. Practice integrity in every transaction no matter how small. Do not lie. No dodgy or 'smart' practices. It's really that simple. It doesn't take that much to do the right thing.

But most importantly, let your domains speak for themselves. Like we say in one of the local languages in Nigeria, "A good product sells itself".
 

Ariff BD

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it is not required to be a from a developed country. many countries with low GDP per capita for considered as a third world is not a problem to sale a domain For a domainer or broker of that country like india or Pakistan.
but if your country has a reputation or storage type of scamming or forgery then it really is a problem sometimes.

like I think several times if a guys from Eastern European countries Or Russia because I heard some that thing about them.

please don't take it personally
 

Reddstagg

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Good evening.

Please don't read too much into the situation but use it as a learning curve for obvious reasons. Personally, I don't care where anyone was born, where they've been or where they live now. The only color I care about is the color of your money. I love my greens lol.

I have been cheated on and lied to and had bad dealings with people in France, Spain, South Africa, Ireland, England and even America. People are just that...people. They may not always like us or trust us but at the end of the day it takes a leap of faith. How else would anything in life get done.

I'd say to everyone reading this to use a reputable third party for larger transactions and that way it is secure and the color of your skin matters not one little bit.

Reputation is everything in life and it is harder to keep a good reputation than it is to get one in the first place.

Some of the happiest, most honest people that I've met in the world literally had nothing but they had good grace and manners and that will get them a long way.

I am and always will be Redd.

Regards
 

Reyginus

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Since you guys would have used a third-party to safely handle the transaction, your country of origin is such an irrelevant information for him to gather.

Experience taught me that being interested and being interested enough to click on that Buy Now button are unfortunately two completely different things in this industry.

Based on your side of the story, it seems like he had a limited level of interest for the domain, combined with a lack of seriousness.
I can't really say. He acted interested and when I tried to move on by asking him if he's still interested he'd say yes. But like wrote, he wasn't interested enough to click the buy now option.
 

Reyginus

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Country of origin does matter in financial transactions because of the global fight against money laundering and terrorist financing. If your country of origin is on the FATF blacklist, some buyers may not consider buying your domains.
That's true but to what extent? A name going for $600.

If it has to do with laundering money (in this case less than a $1000) don't you think any serious money launderer will use the geo-location of the buyer or name?

I don't mean to sound condescending but I don't think he understands domaining and marketplaces well enough to be trying to checkmate money laundering. This is something else.
 

Reyginus

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This is usually peculiar to outbound sales where you are the one chasing the sale and less the case with inbound sales where the buyer comes to you.

The internet is more or less unregulated and any transaction or communication is bound to be met with some scepticism when compared to in-person transactions. So, I don't really blame the guy for insisting on the call.

Does location matter? Sadly, yes. It might not be fair, but it's what it is. Just ensure that in your own small way, you are changing the narrative. Practice integrity in every transaction no matter how small. Do not lie. No dodgy or 'smart' practices. It's really that simple. It doesn't take that much to do the right thing.

But most importantly, let your domains speak for themselves. Like we say in one of the local languages in Nigeria, "A good product sells itself".
Yes, having quality names is key. I don't think anyone will care about your origin if you are trying to sell Music.com.
 

Henry Y

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That's true but to what extent? A name going for $600.

If it has to do with laundering money (in this case less than a $1000) don't you think any serious money launderer will use the geo-location of the buyer or name?

I don't mean to sound condescending but I don't think he understands domaining and marketplaces well enough to be trying to checkmate money laundering. This is something else.

AML policies and measures vary across countries and financial institutions. Some business owners may want to know their counterparties' countries of origin in record to avoid any unnecessary regulatory issue and business risk. If your country of origin is not on the FATF list, then it is not a problem and you should be proud to tell your country of origin to the buyer.
 

Reyginus

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AML policies and measures vary across countries and financial institutions. Some business owners may want to know their counterparties' countries of origin in record to avoid any unnecessary regulatory issue and business risk. If your country of origin is not on the FATF list, then it is not a problem and you should be proud to tell your country of origin to the buyer.
My grouse is why not just ask this in the chat. Why make me call or post for me for that long when all he simply wanted was to know my country. Isn't it ridiculous?
 

Henry Y

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My grouse is why not just ask this in the chat. Why make me call or post for me for that long when all he simply wanted was to know my country. Isn't it ridiculous?

I can't comment in this matter because I don't know the whole story, the full conservations between you and the buyer, and the buyer's concerns. I just gave a possible reason (i.e. AML & CTF) why the buyer was so concerned about your country of origin.
 

Reyginus

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I can't comment in this matter because I don't know the whole story, the full conservations between you and the buyer, and the buyer's concerns. I just gave a possible reason (i.e. AML & CTF) why the buyer was so concerned about your country of origin.
Assuming this is the whole story why take someone's time, giving them hope and request for a call only to ask which country the person hails from? How do these actions relate with the AML or CTF policy? From day 1 he wrote about a call and insisted he is interested and on day 31 he asked nothing about the name but something else. Couldn't he have asked this earlier in a chat?
 

Henry Y

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Assuming this is the whole story why take someone's time, giving them hope and request for a call only to ask which country the person hails from? How do these actions relate with the AML or CTF policy? From day 1 he wrote about a call and insisted he is interested and on day 31 he asked nothing about the name but something else. Couldn't he have asked this earlier in a chat?

Every financial transaction, including domain buying and selling, is subject to AML & CTF policies. County of origin plays a main role in AML & CTF policies. Ask yourself, are you willing to buy a domain name from Iran and then encounter a series of regulatory actions taken by your bank? Phone calling is a way to verify your country of origin. This may be a reason why the buyer asked about your country of origin on phone call. Of course, there may be other reasons such as spamming.

As for the buyer's actions such as asking nothing about the domain name in call, I don't comment in this matter because I know nothing about the full conservation and the buyer's situation.

From your story, the problem is about the buyer's strange response on phone call, not about country of origin. If you think the buyer is not serious, then ignore him.
 

OIO

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Let no one deceive you. Your country of origin was the red flag. Even if you own voice.com , there's no way in hell you'll get $30M.
It's either they ridiculously low-ball you or they shut down the deal. Outbound or inbound. If I'm in the buyers shoes , I"'ll most likely do the same.
People read the news and what's coming out from that part ain't that good. Your best bet is to go completely whois private and hope for the best.
 

ReallyBigIdea.com

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it is not required to be a from a developed country. many countries with low GDP per capita for considered as a third world is not a problem to sale a domain For a domainer or broker of that country like india or Pakistan.
but if your country has a reputation or storage type of scamming or forgery then it really is a problem sometimes.

like I think several times if a guys from Eastern European countries Or Russia because I heard some that thing about them.

please don't take it personally
I am actually a Russian and we mostly cheated by 'Caucasian' and 'Armenian' guys in real life. that's sadly.


@Acroplex found a great meme for your content Google 'мурад такси' this guy is goin viral everywhere
 
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