.tv How Do You Think Frank Schilling Would Run .TV?

[Ammudamus]

Had an interesting conversation with another fellow domainer. More of a crazy thought than anything. How do you think Frank Schilling would run the .tv registry?

-What would happen with the perception of .tv?

-Would it change your view of the viability of .tv for the long term?

It may even bring down the renewal rates and have an even quicker adoption process.

Love to hear comments or just call me crazy.

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[Cate.tv]

What spurred this question if I may ask?

 

[Ammudamus]

The conversation about new extensions and who provides the best exposure and management from a domainer view. It's more of engaging conversation. There are a lot of names that Verisign continues to hold hostage and they also have the legacy premium structure which seems to have plagued a lot of customers.

It is an interesting thought to imagine Verisign selling off the .tv registry to someone that can be more hands on and have subtle changes that may enhance the adoption process even more than it currently is.

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[Keith]

I'll give this question a shot.

Nothing would change. It's public awareness that counts. I see certain things on television like pets.tv or cars.tv. It's these type of shows that will drive awareness but keep in mind, these domains are very TV friendly :bingo:

 

[Ammudamus]

Keith,
Perception is everything. So here is what I am referring to:

1.What if renewals were down to $8/yr?

2.What if legacy premiums were removed and any existing premium holders were grandfathered in?

3.What if there were no upfront premiums for legacy drops?

4.What if a larger budget was spent on advertising for .tv?

5.What if there were more exclusive brokers for .tvs to end users?

I could go on and on...

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[Keith]

Keith,
Perception is everything. So here is what I am referring to:

1.What if renewals were down to $8/yr?

2.What if legacy premiums were removed and any existing premium holders were grandfathered in?

3.What if there were no upfront premiums for legacy drops?

4.What if a larger budget was spent on advertising for .tv?

5.What if there were more exclusive brokers for .tvs to end users?

I could go on and on...

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Questions nobody can really answer.

It's like asking what if .me, .co, .us, .whatever were advertised everywhere? What if renewals or registrations were significantly less?

Anytime you have to ask "what if", you should question your investment :imho:

 

[Ammudamus]

Hence why it was just for conversation piece.

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[Keith]

Hence why it was just for conversation piece.

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Indeed, but any conversation is held to seek results.

In this case, it's all an illusion. You can make it what you want but the truth is non-existent

 

[Ammudamus]

Depends how you define truth. Anyways, thanks for the feedback.

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[equity78]

I understand the interest in the topic,its an interesting conversation. Frank has said that everyone will get a chance with no auctions.

Frank will not have a partner with any extension he wins, Verisign has a partner who wants more money. Frank would not be able to run the registry as discussed above. Tuvalu wants more money not less, all those things mentioned would bring less revenue to Tuvalu, they do not care about domainers making money, this is really their only asset and they want more money not less.

Frank would be good for domainers and bad for Tuvalu. The floodgates would not open and it would mean nothing to consumers so the Frank fix would not make up the shortfall to Tuvalu.

Again IMO

 

[garptrader]

If marketing / promotion of the extension led it to become more mainstream, you could have ten times as many registrations/renewals. If Tuvalu were to benefit from more renewals rather than just a set amount per year as a management fee...

 

[DU]

Does Frank have a history running any registry?

Why isn't the question - If Finster... or If DemandMedia....

Nothing will change for .tv. Any TLD success for domainers is at the detriment of the entire internet ecosphere.

 

[equity78]

Well I will take Frank over your two choices by a factor of 1 million,moving right along.

I would love the explanation of the domainer success being bad for the entire Internet ecosphere ?

 

[Ammudamus]

Ray,
I would venture to guess that Tuvalu would make more money through the higher volume of registrations and renewals. This coupled with income they are losing from the legacy premium dropping would be a win/win for Tuvalu. I would be curious as well how this would be a negative for the domainer view from DU's point.

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[DU]

Well I will take Frank over your two choices by a factor of 1 million,moving right along.

I just wondered why we picked Frank. The numbers say you will make more money on new gTLD than old and existing and as far as I know the only tv domain he ever thought had value was tv.com.

His move into gTLD has nothing to do with anything other than pure numbers. It's a profit business.

Ray,
I would be curious as well how this would be a negative for the domainer view from DU's point.

I'd reverse the question - can you think of anyway in which domainers have been good for the internet ? Any real value add for the economy, jobs, user quality, etc. ?

I'd like to see a real managed TLD make it but unfortunately the lure of the $$$ is too strong, I think.

 

[jmcc]

I would love the explanation of the domainer success being bad for the entire Internet ecosphere ?

This isn't quite the explanation that you might be looking for but it could make some sense.

1. The keys to any TLD's success are development, usage and visibility in its market.
2. Domaining creates an initial boost of speculative registrations but does not necessarily create development.
3. If there is too much speculation in a TLD then the numbers of PPC parked/holding page/dead domains vastly outnumber developed domains.
4. People are more likely to see a PPC parked/holding page when typing an URL in that TLD.
5. People begin to think that there is no development in the TLD and it is a Dead Zone.
6. Website Developers stop developing sites in the TLD and sites are abandoned.
7. Registration pattern changes to primarily brand protection with domains pointed to main .com or .cctld website.
8.Small portfolio domainers dump speculative registrations in Year 2.
9. Larger domainers dump speculative registrations in Year 5.
10. TLD becomes irrelevant as .com and .cctld remain first choice TLDs.

Regards...jmcc

 

[equity78]

I am not looking for any explanation, I was asking Du what he meant? And your explanation was certainly not what DU was driving at.

DU to your point it has created jobs at a place like Go Daddy and various companies that serve domainers like Voodoo.com or Above.com

Now you may say they are not needed in the first place, but I feel that about most things in life so that conversation would be a never ending circle jerk.

Happy New Year

 

[freedom30]

...since Frank doesn't invest in .tv, I don't care what he'd do. He is irrelevant to the extension and it is a mistake to think that .tv must follow the formula of .com or any other extension.

I have always seen Frank as a fair guy and effective in domaining but I have no idol worship for him or his techniques.

he is just as good as you are, actually...

 

[Ammudamus]

DU,
I picked Frank due to him having the most visibility and deepest track record of success from the various platforms that would seem to benefit the community of domainers (parking, sales (internal & external clients), etc. He also is actively pursuing vanity extensions and has a significant amount of capital invested.

You can slice it any way you want, but the fact is we are all domainers here. You don't come to the community here for your health. You seek intelligent conversation, look for opportunities and ultimately to make an ROI. The comment about how it benefits the economy, jobs, etc is irrelevant unless it is a personal reference to one's situation. If you suggest that the unemployment rate is 8% and you have no job, obviously it impacts your ability to secure investments.

Not sure why making money is a bad thing. There are ample opportunities each and every day and part of this is the ability to create a better situation for all of us in whatever we deem is appropriate.

Just my two cents.

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I just wondered why we picked Frank. The numbers say you will make more money on new gTLD than old and existing and as far as I know the only tv domain he ever thought had value was tv.com.

His move into gTLD has nothing to do with anything other than pure numbers. It's a profit business.


I'd reverse the question - can you think of anyway in which domainers have been good for the internet ? Any real value add for the economy, jobs, user quality, etc. ?

I'd like to see a real managed TLD make it but unfortunately the lure of the $$$ is too strong, I think.

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Ken,
No idol worship here. More looking at a person who has some reasonable skills to manage a business. Pick who you want. It's more to just think out of the box.

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...since Frank doesn't invest in .tv, I don't care what he'd do. He is irrelevant to the extension and it is a mistake to think that .tv must follow the formula of .com or any other extension.

I have always seen Frank as a fair guy and effective in domaining but I have no idol worship for him or his techniques.

he is just as good as you are, actually...

 

[equity78]

Ken you do make a good point about idol worship, George Pickering would always remark he never saw an industry with so much idol worship.

I would also note everyone that comes to Namepros is not a domainer. I think DU has said many times he does not think of himself as a domainer.

The moral aspects and greater good aspects of business do mattter for some, is Domaining needed ? NO. Those names would all be unregistered and when a business or individual needed it, the name would be sitting there to register.

DO I think domaining should be allowed ? Yes, I believe in speculation and risk taking. But I at least understand the other side. The sale of a domain benefits the owner and no one else, no matter who tries to spin it.