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Slightly interesting naming choice for a company:
VR Start-up Holobuilder Gets $2.25 Million Investment Boost
https://www.vrfocus.com/2017/03/vr-start-up-holobuilder-gets-2-25-million-investment-boost/
Holo in VR..

Just because every week there are virtual reality startups branding themselves as holo doesn't mean that hologram/mixed reality content for devices such as the HoloLens will decide to go down that route. I think this is called clutching at straws.

I'm pretty sure I saw HoloBuilder in King drop only a few weeks ago. 3 months ago I would have caught it without thinking, this time I had more sense and let it go. Probably NamePov grabbed it, but only because he likely already has MrBuilder.
 
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Just because every week there are virtual reality startups branding themselves as holo doesn't mean that hologram/mixed reality content for devices such as the HoloLens will decide to go down that route. I think this is called clutching at straws.

I'm pretty sure I saw HoloBuilder in King drop only a few weeks ago. 3 months ago I would have caught it without thinking, this time I had more sense and let it go.

Think these branded themselves Holo in 2013 though.

Will be interesting to see how many companies start to brand themselves Holo in 2017.

Hopefully it will continue, I will still buy holo domains if good enough one's come available.

But I think some of these VR companies might have been looking at the Hololens as a promoter of the Holo keyword in the short term, so with their announced delay I wonder if that may have an impact on VR companies looking at the keyword as an option in the short term.

Also I suppose it is unclear if the Hololens will still push the Holo keyword forward as much as they have previously. It could be a toss up between Holo and Mixed Reality at this current stage.

Like have always said Holo is a great brandable word with a relevant meaning. Hopefully a company will come along and do it the justice it deserves.

As gilescoley said it is worth keeping good Holo domains. At the end of the day it is still the correct abbreviation for the word hologram.

My view is if you think Holograms will be in our future, then the keyword Holo still holds lots of promise.

I guess only time will tell.
 
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Truth is though they were Holobuilder before 2015, so this is not an example of a VR company who have all of a sudden decided to brand themselves Holo in 2017.

Their decision to go with the Holo keyword could have been influenced by the huge push Microsoft were giving to the term Holo back then.

Even I paid roughly $1,700 for a Holo domain last year. I would have not made the same buy in March 2017 however.

Agree that things are not all doom and gloom for Holo domains. But a VR company branding with the term Holo in March 2017 is a lot different than a company who decided to brand themselves with the term years ago.

You saying 3D/Virtual or Holo are not format specific and that their name is really valid regardless of the tech really applies to mixed reality as well I would think. Seeming as mixed reality takes elements of 3D/Holograms and Virtual Reality.

So would you also say that it would be a smart move on their part if they did brand with the terminology mixed reality as well ?


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You seem to imply that nobody is going to brand with it 'since' Microsoft changed the name of their virtual desktop interface. And I am laughing at that.
Should I imply anything when they did not change their name along with Microsoft ?

Your focus is to narrow. I think you are expelling to much time and energy trying to make something so, instead of playing the results. And that only means you are not paying attention to other things in that process.

Fact is they actually branded with it. If that were last week or 10 years ago.
They're using it & find value in it is the point. They had choices. Holo existed before Hololens.

If anyone wants to find buyers for MR names, you will need the same kind of buyers that find enough value in it to make it part of their name. Believe me, when I see it, I'll point it out as well.
It's most likely to be a keyword of last resort for many things, but not all.
Should I dismiss all branding with VR, 360, AR, Merged, Virtual, 3D cause it happened before 2017, or is that just because it is HOLO and MS's move ? Hmmm... MixedRealityLens ? ...LOL...

HoloBuilder can transition with the tech and not sound incompatible with new formats as they come to be.
Yes, I have mentioned many times here that those terms 3d,holo,virtual,360 'can' work with 'all' formats.
Right now, their product is a VR product, because that's what is on the market. They are only using VR (currently) as a interface for rendering. They are a 'rendering' Co catering to BIM & VDC.

I'm sure that will advance to other formats, but if you understand exactly what they do, those changes are still relevant when using the Holo keyword. It actually describes what they do quite well now and for the future. Which is why I thought it was a smart move for them. So to brand with Mixed Reality would lock them out of their current VR marketing. It's not a umbrella term like Virtual can be. So no, I don't think that would be a smart move to use MR. But they have had that as a choice for MR since 1994 when it was first defined. MS or not, the current program is designed for VR.
Personally, I think many went overboard with Holo as many are doing with MR. Not that there will not be uses, just not that many and for limited application. It's just my opinion till I see evidence otherwise.
Carbon Nanotubes will impact everyone's life soon but I'm not buying names for it.

I've seen many architectural/engineering company's developing similar things over the last 5-8 years or so and many are using 'none of the above '. Because they are primarily design rendering firms and only use VR/AR/MR as a tool to do the job. They are highlighting Design or Engineering, (CAD, BIM & VDC stuff) if anything.
It's not important enough to put VR/AR/MR in their name at all since it's not their primary focus... It's not what they do, it's what they use to do it. And that always seems to change. Ask the Autodesk folks.
And I'm sure they will continue to render new display formats as they become viable.
But they could have branded with Virtual Builder but I think it has been used for a while.
Also see '4D Virtual Builder' &' 3D Virtual Builder'.... taken. Their branding is more of a best of what is left past TM's and previous branding. It certainly was not their first choice. But a good one.

These guys (holobuilders) 'integrate and sync' the cad designs with 360 PHOTOS of the job site.
There is no 'real time reality' involved in this. It is Virtual. I imagine it could be live one day soon. I know some are working on that. This is a way for Project Engineers and Managers to collaborate with each other and with the construction Superintendents in the field in a documented way no matter where they are.
 
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@VRdommy

That was a long post so not going to quote that lol.

I agree with most of what you said. I think that would be the sensible place to leave it.

BTW, myself and Elad had our first offer in for mobileMR (.com) a few days ago from a chinese investor.

Not at the level we would currently let it go at though ;)
 
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@VRdommy

That was a long post so not going to quote that lol.

I agree with most of what you said. I think that would be the sensible place to leave it.

BTW, myself and Elad had our first offer in for mobileMR (.com) a few days ago from a chinese investor.

Not at the level we would currently let it go at though ;)
Well, I hope you can get the price your looking for.
And more important, I hope it is a end-user looking at it and not just investor speculation.
 
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Holographic / Hologram / Holograms .World
 
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Im banking on the term holo being used for company startups, I've said it before, but I have a very high expectation that my HoloElectrics domain will be a slam dunk.
 
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@NamePov just FYI... China & MR

The most common honorific titles are similar to the English Mr, Sir, Mrs, Ms, Miss, Madam, etc.
The Chinese titles, unlike in English, always follow the name of the person and can stand alone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_titles

While I'm not making fun at all, it is a possibility you should consider.
 
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@NamePov just FYI... China & MR

The most common honorific titles are similar to the English Mr, Sir, Mrs, Ms, Miss, Madam, etc.
The Chinese titles, unlike in English, always follow the name of the person and can stand alone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_titles

While I'm not making fun at all, it is a possibility you should consider.

This was 100% a mixed reality enquiry, funny enough I have actually dealt with this chinese investor before and he buys tech domains.

I have previously sold him a Holo domain and another member sold a mixed reality domain (keyword + MR) to him a few months ago.

China have no problem recognising that MR at the end of a keyword works with mixed reality BTW, here are a few sites:

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I would link to them all but I am sure if you guys do your research, companies in the VR/AR/MR space in china are starting to brand with the MR acronym with no problem at the end of a keyword.
 
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This was 100% a mixed reality enquiry, funny enough I have actually dealt with this chinese investor before and he buys tech domains.

I have previously sold him a Holo domain and another member sold a mixed reality domain (keyword + MR) to him a few months ago.

China have no problem recognising that MR at the end of a keyword works with mixed reality BTW, here are a few sites:

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I would link to them all but I am sure if you guys do your research, companies in the VR/AR/MR space in china are starting to brand with the MR acronym.

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I would agree with this assessment of Apple and AR...
https://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ra...ance&utm_medium=partner_feed&utm_content=site

And a interesting assessment on present trends...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/millennials-prefer-snap-instagram-not-141809147.html
But I should add that none of the new tech 'seems interesting' till someone does/shows you something interesting with it. And that changes everything if it's any good. It's about the content we have not seen yet.

@NamePov I only raised the possibility for consideration. I understand that descriptors are at the end as they are in Spanish. But as you say, it's investor speculation for a mixed reality acronym.
 
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@VRdommy I appreciate you raising the possibility for consideration, your advice was correct.

I know people will have doubts about the MR acronym, it is only natural.

Thought I would list a few more chinese sites who have branded with MR at the end of a keyword, just to make it easier for anyone who might be interested in this kind of information.

I know some are waiting to see if people will brand with MR, acronym for mixed reality. My opinion is it is slowly starting to happen:

http://www.sightplusmr.com
http://www.mohuanmr.com
http://www.186mr.com
http://www.913mr.com
http://www.87870mr.com
http://www.guanchamr.com
http://www.yidianmr.com
http://www.appollomr.com
http://www.jilemr.com

I have not really looked for non chinese mixed reality branding but I do know about this one off the top of my head:

https://www.linqmr.com
 
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HoloBuilder can transition with the tech and not sound incompatible with new formats as they come to be.

I think this is a really good point. The question is will companies really be limiting themselves to mixed reality applications long term, especially when the headsets will likely be able to do everything (and Microsoft are already on their way with that aim, with apps able to run in VR and HoloLens MR)?

Yeah, I know a couple of people here are saying Mixed Reality covers VR, and that even Microsoft are pushing that claim, but fact is VR is older and has hit the market first, and anyway, perhaps it's more likely as VRDommy says that an even more tried and tested term - such as 3D or simply 'virtual' - will win out if all the vr/mr/ar techs get blurred.
 
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I think this is a really good point. The question is will companies really be limiting themselves to mixed reality applications long term, especially when the headsets will likely be able to do everything (and Microsoft are already on their way with that aim, with apps able to run in VR and HoloLens MR)?

Yeah, I know a couple of people here are saying Mixed Reality covers VR, and that even Microsoft are pushing that claim, but fact is VR is older and has hit the market first, and anyway, perhaps it's more likely as VRDommy says that an even more tried and tested term - such as 3D or simply 'virtual' - will win out if all the vr/mr/ar techs get blurred.

I think people are getting a little confused.

Mixed Reality is actually a tech in it's own right.

People are thinking that MR is just a hybrid headsets that can do VR & AR.

These headsets Microsoft are releasing are not really mixed reality.

But VR, AR & MR are three completely different tech's.

In a few years time people will actually see mixed reality content is totally different than just standalone VR or AR.

Nice name BTW
 
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@VRdommy I appreciate you raising the possibility for consideration, your advice was correct.

I know people will have doubts about the MR acronym, it is only natural.

Thought I would list a few more chinese sites who have branded with MR at the end of a keyword, just to make it easier for anyone who might be interested in this kind of information.

I know some are waiting to see if people will brand with MR, acronym for mixed reality. My opinion is it is slowly starting to happen:

http://www.sightplusmr.com
http://www.mohuanmr.com
http://www.186mr.com
http://www.913mr.com
http://www.87870mr.com
http://www.guanchamr.com
http://www.yidianmr.com
http://www.appollomr.com
http://www.jilemr.com

I have not really looked for non chinese mixed reality branding but I do know about this one off the top of my head:

https://www.linqmr.com
You will have to forgive me as my Chinese is not all that good but those are PARKED pages.
Not Branded Co sites.
And while I did not check them all, most seem to be listed for sale on the registrar's site.
There is no branding without end-use. Don't mislead yourself.

Their format reminds me of the older 'DomainApps' system. Worked well for me anyway till the company sold and the new Co destroyed that format.
I have similar parked pages myself in English/German/Russian/Spanish & Chinese depending of the country of origin or language their browser is set to. Nothing fantastic.
 
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I think people are getting a little confused.

Mixed Reality is actually a tech in it's own right.

People are thinking that MR is just a hybrid headsets that can do VR & AR.

These headsets Microsoft are releasing are not really mixed reality.

But VR, AR & MR are three completely different tech's.

In a few years time people will actually see mixed reality content is totally different than just standalone VR or AR.

Nice name BTW
Microsoft is not releasing any headsets !
Lenovo, HP, Acer, Dell, Asus, Qualcomm, Oculus are all set to release those VR/MR HYBRID headsets this year. Possibly Intel as well. And each one will have a name of it's own and each one will be branded by the maker. MS has nothing to do with any of that.
And while many are not going to admit these will be used primarily for VR from the start... What other content is out there for 7 or more Co's to want to release all these units. What else is going to satisfy the consumers they want to buy it. You have that Windows Virtual Desktop. It's going to take some time.

Folks are not sure there is enough VR content to keep everyone happy. Not sure where all the MR content is coming from in 9 months and less.

When MS changed that name for the desktop interface, it was in the interest of those above mentioned partners to try to get a handle on the various names each was going to give the same thing and many of those were never announced (HP & Blended Reality etc). It was to stop just what we (I at least) had been talking about here... FRAGMENTATION that makes it worse for everyone. It remains to be seen if that helped but it certainly didn't hurt.
 
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I think this is a really good point. The question is will companies really be limiting themselves to mixed reality applications long term, especially when the headsets will likely be able to do everything (and Microsoft are already on their way with that aim, with apps able to run in VR and HoloLens MR)?

Yeah, I know a couple of people here are saying Mixed Reality covers VR, and that even Microsoft are pushing that claim, but fact is VR is older and has hit the market first, and anyway, perhaps it's more likely as VRDommy says that an even more tried and tested term - such as 3D or simply 'virtual' - will win out if all the vr/mr/ar techs get blurred.


What I always try and do when buying is imagine myself as an end-user and ask myself what would I call my business if I wanted a name for my company and wanted to go not only into VR but possibly AR/MR in the future.

I personally like names where you can put the VR/AR abbreviations together to make a word and I'd probably try and go with something like that (if possible), one of my favioutes that I sold was:-

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Q1tSHY


^^You could also include the MR abbreviation into that with a tagline.

I also think if I was an end user ‘Virtual’ (can represent everything) would appeal to me or single ‘v’ hence why I’ve invested In that a lot - Also bought names like VirtuallyReality dot com and Immersiveness dot com as they can represent everything.

It’s all speculation though at the end of day, we are all doing what we think is best, but no one knows for sure what’s going to happen, the market is so unpredictable and things change all the time.
 
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Microsoft is not releasing any headsets !
Lenovo, HP, Acer, Dell, Asus, Qualcomm, Oculus are all set to release those VR/MR HYBRID headsets this year. Possibly Intel as well. And each one will have a name of it's own and each one will be branded by the maker. MS has nothing to do with any of that.
And while many are not going to admit these will be used primarily for VR from the start... What other content is out there for 7 or more Co's to want to release all these units. What else is going to satisfy the consumers they want to buy it. You have that Windows Virtual Desktop. It's going to take some time.

Folks are not sure there is enough VR content to keep everyone happy. Not sure where all the MR content is coming from in 9 months and less.

When MS changed that name for the desktop interface, it was in the interest of those above mentioned partners to try to get a handle on the various names each was going to give the same thing and many of those were never announced (HP & Blended Reality etc). It was to stop just what we (I at least) had been talking about here... FRAGMENTATION that makes it worse for everyone. It remains to be seen if that helped but it certainly didn't hurt.

Yes I meant partner headsets but the point I am trying to make is 2017 is not going to be the year of mixed reality.

Microsoft are trying to set up a Mixed
Reality ecosystem prematurely for mixed reality content of the future.

Microsoft do plan to release a mixed reality headset (but won't realistically happen for at least a couple of years).

We can all sit here and say companies are branding currently with VR and Tim Cook was mentioning AR and Pokemon Go was a huge success in 2016. But this is just obviously current trends.

But like I have mentioned before mixed reality is being touted by many tech insiders as the future in many ways (admittedly some I can see happening more than others).

Microsoft suprised a few with their renaming of that Windows section from holographic to mixed reality. All I am saying is there might be a few more suprises because some pretty big companies have indicated an interest in moving their future towards mixed reality.

But also as stated before this information is not free flowing into Google alerts news feeds.

Do I think Microsoft should be referring to these partner headsets being released as mixed reality? No

But I can see why they are doing it and what benefits it can bring to their future plans.

Truth is I have nothing against anyone who can't see a future for mixed reality. But the key word here is future. Current trend is very different than trying to predict future trend.

People are waiting to see where mixed reality might be heading before investing and I agree that could be a very smart move.

But I was not expecting mixed reality to even be on the tip of anyone's tongues (expecially this early into 2017). So personally this year started differently than even I was anticipating.

People keep holding onto Apple's AR plans. But don't be suprised if Apple do somehow show a glimpse of the glasses tech they have been working on these should very likely be gearing up for a mixed reality type of tech in the future.
 
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You will have to forgive me as my Chinese is not all that good but those are PARKED pages.
Not Branded Co sites.
And while I did not check them all, most seem to be listed for sale on the registrar's site.
There is no branding without end-use. Don't mislead yourself.

Their format reminds me of the older 'DomainApps' system. Worked well for me anyway till the company sold and the new Co destroyed that format.
I have similar parked pages myself in English/German/Russian/Spanish & Chinese depending of the country of origin or language their browser is set to. Nothing fantastic.

Yes some of them are parked pages you are correct but there are a few sites in there that are not.

I was being lazy and pretty much copying and pasting from a directory site (so apologies for that)

I agree we are not anywhere near end user territory. But Microsoft did do a nice presentation in china a few months ago where Alex Kipman introduced the IWant MR phrase and China seemed very open to the proposal of a mixed reality ecosystem.

Alex Kipman regularly gets requests where developers and companies ask where they need to sign up for this mixed reality development opportunity:

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What I always try and do when buying is imagine myself as an end-user and ask myself what would I call my business if I wanted a name for my company and wanted to go not only into VR but possibly AR/MR in the future.

I personally like names where you can put the VR/AR abbreviations together to make a word and I'd probably try and go with something like that (if possible), one of my favioutes that I sold was:-

5trokz.jpg

Q1tSHY


^^You could also include the MR abbreviation into that with a tagline.

I also think if I was an end user ‘Virtual’ (can represent everything) would appeal to me or single ‘v’ hence why I’ve invested In that a lot - Also bought names like VirtuallyReality dot com and Immersiveness dot com as they can represent everything.

It’s all speculation though at the end of day, we are all doing what we think is best, but no one knows for sure what’s going to happen, the market is so unpredictable and things change all the time.

100% agree mate, we can only do what we think is best at the time.

I did not jump on the mixed reality bandwagon because I thought it was guaranteed but just because it could potentially be a future tech keyword that some companies may wish to brand with.

I know that is still a very long way off (if at all).

But I feel more positive today than when I first registered a mixed reality domain and that is all I could really ask for at this stage.

Not saying this makes things any better/worse but I did lots of £1 registrations in 2016 so was able to take a lot more gambles.

I am however being shrewd enough in 2017 to drop a bulk load of domains that I now feel definitely won't make the grade.

I do thank @VRdommy and others for giving me a constant reality check lol.

But I am still pretty happy with some of the names I have acquired having only started tech domaining in 2016.

Good luck to everyone regardless what niches you are invested in. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that hopefully it is looking increasingly positive that investing into VR/AR/MR could end up being a smart move.

And as rightly was pointed out other keywords such as 3D/360/Holo etc hold great promise as well.
 
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I know I annoy people referring to Robert Scoble but he's doing a sold out "Brands meet Mixed Reality" at SXSW.

He's starting up a mixed reality consulting company himself because of the massive future potential he see's with mixed reality. Something he describes as the biggest thing to happen in tech industry since the mobile phone.

The guy as tons of insider interviews and I really believe he could point a few companies in the direction of mixed reality:

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What I always try and do when buying is imagine myself as an end-user and ask myself what would I call my business if I wanted a name for my company and wanted to go not only into VR but possibly AR/MR in the future.

I personally like names where you can put the VR/AR abbreviations together to make a word and I'd probably try and go with something like that (if possible), one of my favioutes that I sold was:-

5trokz.jpg

Q1tSHY


^^You could also include the MR abbreviation into that with a tagline.

I also think if I was an end user ‘Virtual’ (can represent everything) would appeal to me or single ‘v’ hence why I’ve invested In that a lot - Also bought names like VirtuallyReality dot com and Immersiveness dot com as they can represent everything.

It’s all speculation though at the end of day, we are all doing what we think is best, but no one knows for sure what’s going to happen, the market is so unpredictable and things change all the time.

That's why i purchased MRverse.com a few months back.
 
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That's why i purchased MRverse.com a few months back.

Nice name, but could probably only represent MR though.

I’m talking names where you can put the abbreviations together to make something – Big fan of the WeArVr brand.

I tried come up with something similar and come up with VRARUS pronounced V-R-AR(E)-US (like ToysRUs). No one has followed my train of thought with that yet though :xf.laugh: there’s a ARVRUS company though.
 
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