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Hijacked Domain cwr.com

Located in Domain Marketplace Reviews started by Daehler Ralph, Jan 3, 2019.

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  1. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    Yes great analyze. It's so easy to get money like that.
    And then you wait 1 or 2 years and repeat the same scam with the same domain.
     
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    I had given him (AGB) a loan with cwr.com as collateral. He paid me back with interest as he has done with a few domains. The strange thing is I had offered him $30k for the domain and he said it was too low. I have not heard from him (AGB) in a few weeks so not sure what is going on. If a big value domain, I always recommend trying to reach the previous owner to make sure everything is legitimate.
     
  3. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    Wow you are great. Thanks for all. I have written an message to Nat Cohen. I don't think that he will respond me. What do you think, can I do to get my money back?
     
  4. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    I would also pay you a good price when you could help me to get the money back.
     
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    bulkdomainz Established Member

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    The other thing that crossed my mind is the prohibition from contacting the other party directly that is in place by the auction houses. If they won't let buyer contact and confirm who the seller is, why do they take commission? Unless you brought your buyer/seller to the platform, you can only rely on the auction house to check who the other party is. Why on earth should they walk free - commission in hand - while the buyer is left out of money and domain? Seriously, I doubt that their silly terms and conditions would wash with me, if I happened to be in the victims' shoes. Not that I would be buying a 20k name anyway. 😂😂😂 I would be flying out to wherever that name is before I hand over that kind of money! We all know someone somewhere who knows somebody somewhere, in the event that we can't really physically be there. Meeting in a public place would mean the police would have a very good who the domain thief is!
     
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  7. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    I want to get now the banking Details of Sedo, this would help then if this guy (AGB) really exists.
     
  8. Grilled

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    :oops: Apparently that address is just the address of WhoIsGuard.

    So nothing there; except the alejandro @ cdcybernet email address...
     
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  9. Grilled

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    First things first, attempt to confirm or deny the status of the domain with previous owner. As the sale of GHE.com could have very well been legit. At this point it's just a red flag, given the other allegations behind the seller.
    Document everything. Did you have any communication with the seller?

    Where's all the communication with Sedo?

    Why the banking details of Sedo?

    You would need the payout details. Proof of Identity. And possibly IP Addresses.

    But to do this, you'd likely need to subpoena this information through the courts.

    That money might be better spent with a qualified lawyer such as @jberryhill (or others) ... As this will likely require legal intervention.
     
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  10. ninjadomain

    ninjadomain Active Member PRO VIP

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    Perhaps a lawyer such as Berryhill could help you negotiate with Sedo to minimize your lost.

    I am slowly learning not to even deal with these big domain marketplaces as if something goes wrong, no matter how much you have spent at their marketplace, they will not help out. Also, I would not deal with any reseller until you are certain they are trustworthy as too many red flags with some people.

    Prayers for something to work out!
     
  11. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I saw this name at Sedo as I mentioned earlier and in the whois history I thought I saw you in there Ninja, I was like I know who that is and did he sell? Because then the seller was Mexico and I thought it was a stolen name same with NWX.com.
     
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    I had given Alejandro a loan with cwr.com as collateral. He paid me back with an extra fee like he did with a few domains. I tried buying for $30k, but he said the offer was too low. I have not heard from him in awhile so my only advice is to not deal with him until he is cleared.
     
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    This is the official reply from Sedo as I posted in the thread I was contacting them, because I want the official position of marketplaces for an article, I remember seeing CWR.com and NWX.com thinking of buying, once I did the homework I knew they were stolen.

    So here is the reply from SEDO, I bolded the part where they say we ain't paying you back.

    Sedo takes domain theft very seriously and is committed to protecting domain ownership rights. We encourage anyone who feels they have lost a domain due to fraud to report the theft in accordance with our stolen domain policy (https://sedo.com/us/about-us/policies/stolen-domain-policy/

    Stolen Domain Policy - Sedo
    Stolen Domain Policy . Along with protecting intellectual property rights, Sedo is committed to protecting domain ownership rights, whether those of our users, third parties, or our own.
    sedo.com
    ) so that Sedo’s Security & Compliance team can review the domain and block it from our services, as appropriate, to prevent a sale on our marketplace in the first place.

    Unfortunately, as with anything sold on a secondary market, buyers bear a degree of risk that a domain was once stolen or that the seller has otherwise violated the terms of the purchase and sale agreement. While Sedo employs strict marketplace terms and conditions, between WHOIS privacy and disparate registry policies, it is impossible for Sedo or anyone to guarantee that a domain has never been stolen or remains subject to any other kind of legal dispute. The domain’s registrar, ICANN, or a court of law are the venues to resolve any dispute and Sedo gives our full cooperation once a dispute has been initiated.


    We empathize with our buyer’s desire to eliminate that risk entirely but we ask buyers to perform their due diligence research prior to agreeing to a purchase (especially to ensure that their purchase or intended use does not violate a third party’s trademark which is a key element in UDRP proceedings) and to review their registrar policies on how they would handle a claim of domain theft.


    Sedo does help our buyers minimize risk by requiring sellers to provide a legally binding representation and warranty that they have the authority to sell the name. Once a purchase and sale has been completed, however, Sedo cannot return the funds paid to a seller as we are not an appropriate party to arbitrate a dispute. If a domain is later taken away from a buyer because of the seller’s violation of the purchase and sale agreement Sedo advises the buyer to seek legal counsel to pursue the seller for breach of contract and will support the buyer by providing a documentation history regarding the transaction. This allows a buyer who ends up losing the domain because of theft to pursue the seller for a refund/damages.
     
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    I just emailed Alejandro and let him know that you need help. Hopefully, he will do the right thing!
     
  16. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    I have collected the informations. And i Have to inform a few companies about this security hole of the domain market place. The most of the people which are buying domains on this mass plattforms doesn”t know enough about that problem like me. And this will happen again. This is a case for the police. It”s going to prevent such stories in the future.
     
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    I have also informed PerfectDomain by message. When we always inform all plattforms, when we see that the domain is listed for sale. We can prevent a same situation. Then domain Name must be worthless for the owner.
     
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    This again urges me to think about finding an insurance company that can give me a policy against domain ownership issues.
     
  20. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Yes, I mentioned that years ago, no one seemed interested but I think it's a good idea.
     
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    Would the insurance company physically send a representative to the domain owner to sign a purchase / ownership agreement?

    In a perfect world, I suppose an iron clad domain sale would be notarized, video taped, and live streamed at the WHOIS address.

    But how to know WHOIS wasn't changed years ago?

    Would you need original owner, and each owner after that, to confirm the domain is not stolen? What if owner didn't renew, and assumed stolen, when it was actually deleted / auctioned?

    It almost seems like an insurance company can create some sort of ## point checklist to determine risk factors. The harder it is to verify, the more expensive the policy. But given the resources needed, it might only be feasible for high value purchases.
     
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    I wonder if this alleged hijacking affected other domains using @cwr.com WHOIS email?

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  23. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    Hello

    I have made a lot of investigations on the web and contacting the owner.
    For me was the domain stolen from the Glenn Smith Account on 17. October and then transferred on the 18. October 2018 to the AGB-Account for sale on different platforms like SEDO. The DNS was keep as it was from the original owner that he is not realizing that his domain is stolen till the domain is sold.
    The money is lost but I would like know what exactly happened. I will get in Contact with Network Solutions to find the Hijacker.
     
  24. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    Whois History:

    WHOIS Registrant Name History of CWR.com according to DomainIQ
    • December 2014 -- RJR Enterprises Chuck Risley
    • April 2015 -- Perfect Privacy, LLC [possibly updated 2015-03-12T19:03:30Z]
    • October 17th, 2018 -- Glenn Smith [possibly updated 2018-10-07T17:26:04Z] *tagging @ninjadomain for comment*
    • October 18th, 2018 -- Alejandro Garcia Briseno* [possibly updated 2018-10-18T04:19:32Z] [email protected]
    • October 25th, 2018 -- Perfect Privacy [possibly updated 2018-10-24T18:04:20Z]
    • December 5th, 2018 -- Protected, WhoisGuard [p. updated 2018-11-03T07:30:15Z] [email protected]**
    • December 19th, 2018 -- Daehler, R (assuming @Daehler Ralph) [p. updated 2018-12-14T11:47:03Z]
    • January 4th, 2019 -- RJR Enterprises Chuck Risley [p. updated 2019-01-04T17:21:13Z]
    **Registrant Name shows Protected WHOIS Guard, yet it reveals WHOIS Info. The address listed appears to be a UPS store.
     
  25. Daehler Ralph

    Daehler Ralph Upgraded Member Blue Account

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    Alejandro obviously offers a sale service for domain names. The you cannot get the money back
    Also found a site of him:
    www.dndisputes.com

    @ninjadomain How much you had to pay for the sale of the domain cwr.com to Alejandro?
     

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