Hijacked Domain cwr.com

[Daehler Ralph]

I have a very important message for all domainers. I have bought 1 month ago the domain cwr.com (Registrar Networksolutions) over Sedo for USD 19950 and the transfer happened successful after a few problems with an invalid Authorization Code for a transfer to my GoDaddy account, I decided to takeover the domain to my account by Networksolutions. But yesterday Network Solution has transferred the domain back to the old owner without any information. I have opened a ticket by Network Solution and they explained me that the domain was hijacked and sold later and also back transferred to the old owner.
Sedo hasn't checked well the whois-Informations with the seller contact information, which was somebody from Mexico.
Now I have lost my money and for Sedo is the task closed when the domain is transferred.
A warning on all domaines that can happen to everybody which buy a domain on a non-registrar-platform like Sedo.

 

[maksimfa]

honestly, would talk to attorneys anyway, one may pick up the case on contingency

 

[Arfy]

This is a very scary situation. I myself bought a 3 letter domain name for 5 figures and I would be devastated if that had happened to me.

Was the domain originally stolen from a NetSol account too? I am never using NetSol. Even when people post free domains for a push, if they are at NetSol I usually just walk away as I don't want to create an account there after stories like this emerge.

However, Sedo is the one who dealt in stolen merchandise. How do they establish who the real owner is in cases like this? It is difficult as if the domain is stolen the thief can verify ownership and Sedo at this stage would have no way of telling if he is a thief.

@Daehler Ralph - I hope this can be resolved somehow and sorry for the loss.

 

[equity78]

I have a very important message for all domainers. I have bought 1 month ago the domain cwr.com (Registrar Networksolutions) over Sedo for USD 19950 and the transfer happened successful after a few problems with an invalid Authorization Code for a transfer to my GoDaddy account, I decided to takeover the domain to my account by Networksolutions. But yesterday Network Solution has transferred the domain back to the old owner without any information. I have opened a ticket by Network Solution and they explained me that the domain was hijacked and sold later and also back transferred to the old owner.
Sedo hasn't checked well the whois-Informations with the seller contact information, which was somebody from Mexico.
Now I have lost my money and for Sedo is the task closed when the domain is transferred.
A warning on all domaines that can happen to everybody which buy a domain on a non-registrar-platform like Sedo.

I saw this domain hit Sedo and thought it was stolen, might be the same person that stole NWX.com.

 

[equity78]

Completely disagree.

The expectation is that the seller/brokerage has vetted the listing. In this case it’s Sedo, a seller of millions in domains.

I’d sue them immediately for transfer of stolen goods. They are supposed to ensure that what they sell is legitimate. They are also assuming that transfer of goods is final, upon payment from buyer.

It's funny after the NWX.com situation, I emailed Sedo and am contacting every marketplace because I wanted to do an article on the very topic,

If I buy a domain name, pay you, you have the seller transfer me the name, and later on either the registry, registrar or some other governing body says the name was stolen and takes it back, what do you for me? Do you refund me since you dealt in stolen merchandise?

I saw CWR.com hit Sedo, the seller was shown to be in Mexico and when looking at whois history it did not make sense, the same happened with NWX.com.

 

[equity78]

So was this a sale on Sedo platform or was it a listing sold by Sedo? i.e. represented by their own brokers?

If as a platform... yeah, I get it... gives them a black eye.
But... if it was a name sold by one of their own brokers... oh I would absolutely be suing and quite winnable case.

It was stolen, listed on Sedo and someone purchased it, I saw the same thing with NWX.com contacted the real owner who joined here, he said it was stolen, I told Sedo and @namesilo where the name was transferred to.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/nwx-com-stolen.1114619/

 

[Daehler Ralph]

The transfer happened as follows.
Sedo has taken over the domain to their sedo account from the old owner (whois was the same like now) and then I took over the domain to my account. All happened on the network solution side.

 

[pinkdragon]

cwr.com is still listed for sale at Uniregistry.

 

[barybadrinath]

The transfer happened as follows.
Sedo has taken over the domain to their sedo account from the old owner (whois was the same like now) and then I took over the domain to my account. All happened on the network solution side.

Yes .. it seems @Sedo was in mutually agreed agreement with the thief to showcase his domain name and hence sell it...

Is sedo and their management nuts to "facilitate sale of stolen asset ".. in India police will first beat the facilitator properly before beating thief...
Sedo what kind of morals you have been passed on from your founders and current CEO and chairman

 

[barybadrinath]

The transfer happened as follows.
Sedo has taken over the domain to their sedo account from the old owner (whois was the same like now) and then I took over the domain to my account. All happened on the network solution side.

When sedo took over the domain name that time itself sedo must have alerted you and others.
Still sedo and their hifi brokers closed eyes and conned the seller just because of a so called " binding agreement" and ofcourse for their hard and ethically earned "commission"...

 

[barybadrinath]

Bloody sedo you are worst than the Duryodhana...

Go and burn yourself in hell..
You really have no feeling for others and you are heartless and corrupt corporation also manipulating sales data just to achieve your monthly sales targets.
Is there no one who can bring this all in Trump's notice thereby asking him to order a federal investigation into sedo and it's management.
I am very sure they are also paying their taxes irregularly

 

[Bob Hawkes]

It's probably not hijacked, you probably bought stolen property.

Due prudence just like you do when you buy a house is always indicated. One does a title search and a domain should be researched in a similar fashion before large sums of money changes hands.

If you look carefully there were probably clues that the domain was stolen or similar.

Not saying I don't feel your pain but man you have to be careful buying domains nowadays. If it sounds to good to be true then it probably is.

The comparison to real estate is appropriate, and the question of due diligence. In major domain transactions are there professionals who for a fee will do diligence on a potential purchase? It seems to me if there were, and if they carried some type of insurance to cover cases of fraud/stolen property that they missed, it would give purchasers (obviously only for high value sales) peace of mind.

Bob

 

[NameWell]

@Daehler Ralph can you contact your payment provider and tell them that you need to refund the payment, because the receiver fraudulently lured money out of you? If you paid through PayPal you can ask for a refund.

 

[NameWell]

Also, leave this story as a review at SEDO's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sedo/
And at TrustPilot. And you might even contact someone from the media. This could make an interesting and useful article. And the publicity should bug SEDO. Maybe they'll want to compensate at least some of your loss to keep their good name in public. And like someone mentioned, talk to several attorneys. SEDO was selling a stolen merchandise, they should not be able to get away with that so easily and continue doing that.

Just don't leave it like that.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I realize it does not apply to this transaction, but if you pay for a domain name with a credit card, and the domain name is later taken from you, if it is within the time period for such claims, can you ask your credit card for a refund and they will reverse the charge to (in this case Sedo)?

 

[bulkdomainz]

Money Transfer.

19k is too much to pay via this method to someone you do not know.

 

[bulkdomainz]

That's why i always request transfer away to my own registrar on any escrow transaction.
Netsol again won title as worst/expensive/unsecure registrar out there.

As Sedo not check deeply sellers it must refund funds to buyer, that's not a usual situation and they can afford for themselves to refund buyer and try to find fake seller as they have all private data of him (bank accounts etc).

Buyer paid via Money Transfer here (directly to Seller, I assume). All Sedo can do is give him the Domain Receiver's details. Which will very likely be fake.

 

[Daehler Ralph]

Thanks a lot for your good help and advises to all.
I have paid the amount by money transfer first to sedo and they have transfered after the transfer to the seller.

 

[NameWell]

Thanks a lot for your good help and advises to all.
I have paid the amount by money transfer first to sedo and they have transfered after the transfer to the seller.

Okay, so they must know the bank account (or pay pal) of the thief and ask for a refund of their money provider. They just don't want to do that. And for this kind of behavior they deserve publicity. Such a large company should not act like this.

 

[Daehler Ralph]

Okay, so they must know the bank account (or pay pal) of the thief and ask for a refund of their money provider. They just don't want to do that. And for this kind of behavior they deserve publicity. Such a large company should not act like this.

Ich think they has not calculated, that I publish that. I am very good customer of sedo. This year i have already sold a very high value domain over sedo for 75000usd to buy a better domain like cwr.com for my startup business.

 

[NameWell]

Ich think they has not calculated, that I publish that. I am very good customer of sedo. This year i have already sold a very high value domain over sedo for 75000usd to buy a better domain like cwr.com for my startup business.

... and that's the reason you should publish it. Everywhere. So they come to you, apologize, and try to solve it. But talk to the attorney first how to do it the right way.

 

[barybadrinath]

Ich think they has not calculated, that I publish that. I am very good customer of sedo. This year i have already sold a very high value domain over sedo for 75000usd to buy a better domain like cwr.com for my startup business.

I will say give an application in court and make sedo , thief as parties .and get the domain locked.
You are not domainer sir , you are a person from general public who does not know much about domain technical details . That's why you went to sedo..
It is sedo's duty.. if they are working for seller to help him sell asset , then you ( buyer ) being taken care of your money spent on sedo platform is also Sedo's responsibility .
Else you would have used escrow.com but sedo is a big name , in fact very big doing frequent transactions of much higher amounts such as half million for fastfood.com !!

 

[Internet.Domains]

Definition of "Due Diligence":

Reasonable steps taken by a person in order to satisfy a legal requirement, especially in buying or selling something

Definition of "Due Diligence" in the domain industry:

An excuse to not pay or refund, due to the ability to shift blame.

 

[Daehler Ralph]

I will say give an application in court and make sedo , thief as parties .and get the domain locked.
You are not domainer sir , you are a person from general public who does not know much about domain technical details . That's why you went to sedo..
It is sedo's duty.. if they are working for seller to help him sell asset , then you ( buyer ) being taken care of your money spent on sedo platform is also Sedo's responsibility .
Else you would have used escrow.com but sedo is a big name , in fact very big doing frequent transactions of much higher amounts such as half million for fastfood.com !!

Yes you are right. I am not a professional domainer. I have now learned a lot after this story. I have just blindly trusted in companies like Sedo and Network solutions.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

WHOIS Registrant Name History of CWR.com according to DomainIQ

• December 2014 -- RJR Enterprises Chuck Risley
• April 2015 -- Perfect Privacy, LLC [possibly updated 2015-03-12T19:03:30Z]
• October 17th, 2018 -- Glenn Smith [possibly updated 2018-10-07T17:26:04Z] *tagging @ninjadomain for comment*
• October 18th, 2018 -- Alejandro Garcia Briseno* [possibly updated 2018-10-18T04:19:32Z] [email protected]
• October 25th, 2018 -- Perfect Privacy [possibly updated 2018-10-24T18:04:20Z]
• December 5th, 2018 -- Protected, WhoisGuard [p. updated 2018-11-03T07:30:15Z] [email protected]**
• December 19th, 2018 -- Daehler, R (assuming @Daehler Ralph) [p. updated 2018-12-14T11:47:03Z]
• January 4th, 2019 -- RJR Enterprises Chuck Risley [p. updated 2019-01-04T17:21:13Z]

**Registrant Name shows Protected WHOIS Guard, yet it reveals WHOIS Info. The address listed appears to be a UPS store.

Hosting History

 

[DomainRecap]

So the domain was stolen in 2014 and only now returned?