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Bernard Wright

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This is just a hodgepodge of thoughts. I won't distinguish between good and bad people. I'll focus on peoples' actions.

Bad actors shouldn't have guns for committing acts of violence against innocent people, nor for threatening innocent people with potential violence. It would be nice if society could prevent a bad actor from obtaining the gun used in a bad act.

Good actors should have the right to defend themselves and others against bad actors with necessary force. Such force includes the threat of lethal violence, and the use of lethal violence if necessary.

Bad actors don't have regard for the rule of law when acting in a criminal manner.

Society is comprised of individuals pursuing their own interests. Laws are instated to ensure that individuals' rights are not infringed upon by another person or entity. When an individual infringes upon another individual's rights, there are criminal and civil procedures to deal with such matters, overseen by our governing officials. In extreme cases, when the infringing party is a usurping government, it is up to the citizens to protect their natural freedoms from that government. This happens rarely, but it happens. It is wise for an individual to aspire to maintain his/her own personal sovereignty and ability to protect him/herself from unjust threats.

A good actor is responsible for protecting him/herself and, if desired, other people from threats and acts of violence. When police officers are capable of assisting, assistance is welcomed, but the police's main duty is to maintain law and order, not to protect another individual from immediate threat. The individual's primal concern is his/her own personal safety, and this is a responsibility that lies within every individual when faced with a threat of violence.

A gun is a tool. A gun can do a number of things. Here are three examples.

1. a gun can be used to engage in a violent act.
2. a gun can be used to deescalate/end a violent act.
3. a gun can be used to deescalate/end a threat of violence.

We are all players in society with an interest in pursuing our best interests and defending our well-being. Laws that would take guns away from some bad actors are sure to also result in fewer armed good actors who could deescalate violent and potentially violent situations. Violence is not good. Good actors with guns end violent situations more quickly and effectively than good actors without guns do. There are hundreds of millions of firearms on this planet. A bad actor with the desire to obtain a gun will always have the means to locate a gun. Black markets are real.

Good actors should have the legal right to possess guns in order to protect themselves, and others, from bad actors.
 
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What do you grab, Keith?
 
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Rare it is. But it is a reality. And no family man’s ability to protect his home and family will ever be swayed by any vote I cast. The same goes for any would-be victim of gun violence. I hope your community never has to endure such tragedy, Keith.
 
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Rare it is. But it is a reality. And no family man’s ability to protect his home and family will ever be swayed by any vote I cast. The same goes for any would-be victim of gun violence. I hope your community never has to endure such tragedy, Keith.
What isn’t rare are the thousands that die each year by homicide, suicide, or accidents via guns.

I’d say we ignore what’s rare and address what’s real.
 
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It’s all real.

But how do we address the problem of gun violence in the US. A buy-back bonanza, you say? That’s the answer?
 
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It’s all real.

But how do we address the problem of gun violence in the US. A buy-back bonanza, you say? That’s the answer?
Buy back options, changes in laws. It should be extremely difficult to buy a weapon. Right now they’re practically given away.
 
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Rare it is. But it is a reality. And no family man’s ability to protect his home and family will ever be swayed by any vote I cast. The same goes for any would-be victim of gun violence. I hope your community never has to endure such tragedy, Keith.
I'm truly and honestly trying to understand how you can say you're open-minded about this topic....
 
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251 Mass shootings this year in the US , thats just plain crazy!
 
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I will state this clearly. I am 100% for any laws that will curb gun violence and make the US safer without infringing upon the freedoms of responsible and well-intentioned gun owners who would use guns for benevolent purposes. I’m yet to read any suggestions as to what those changes in law would entail. One can say “Government should make it happen”, but the question is, how? What policy prescriptions do you have that will achieve this end? By what measure is it reasonable to suggest the proposed laws won’t result in a breaking point that could escalate tensions and increase violence?
 
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251 Mass shootings this year in the US , thats just plain crazy!
It's obscene!

@Bernard Wright - If stricter gun controls and less guns in general are not the solution, then please enlighten us... How does the U.S. go about improving this statistic? There's no way you could possibly agree this is an acceptable status quo.
 
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I will state this clearly. I am 100% for any laws that will curb gun violence and make the US safer without infringing upon the freedoms of responsible and well-intentioned gun owners who would use guns for benevolent purposes. I’m yet to read any suggestions as to what those changes in law would entail. One can say “Government should make it happen”, but the question is, how? What policy prescriptions do you have that will achieve this end? By what measure is it reasonable to suggest the proposed laws won’t result in a breaking point that could escalate tensions and increase violence?
You've shot down every reasonable idea, statistic, and argument that has been presented here. There's no point sharing any more of them with you. So the only question that remains is: What is your idea to curb gun violence?
 
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I think @TestCase put forth an idea worth pondering. I’d be open to reading others’ critiques of the “mandatory gun safety and use training for all residents”.
 
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I think @TestCase put forth an idea worth pondering. I’d be open to reading others’ critiques of the “mandatory gun safety and use training for all residents”.
And do you think it's worth pursuing ideas that have a reasonable chance of decreasing the number of guns that are owned/used by violent criminals?
 
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To the degree that collateral damage in the name of infringing upon the rights of responsible and lawful gun owners is not an unintended consequence, yes.
 
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Id say a blanket ban on firearms is logistically impossible now. It could be that some sort of ban and buy back scheme might phase out gun ownership over the next hundred years say but the earth and its weapons will be a different beast by then.

Is it more likely the reason for the mass shootings is a sharp increase in mental health issues as a result of the social media society Americans live if probably to a much deeper extent than any other country on the planet. 1st world problems at their greatest. I'm sure none of the perpetrators of these shootings are mentally stable. An entire way of life change would need to happen before anything changes.

Having thought about, I honestly think there are no viable options. I think these shootings will become more common place and there isn't a thing that can be done about it with the resources we have. It's just going to be part of life. Soon you won't even hear about anything with less that 10 deaths as it won't make the news.
 
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To the degree that collateral damage in the name of infringing upon the rights of responsible and lawful gun owners is not an unintended consequence, yes.
So you would argue that the right to own a gun is more important than the need to get guns away from violent criminals?
 
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Id say a blanket ban on firearms is logistically impossible now. It could be that some sort of ban and buy back scheme might phase out gun ownership over the next hundred years say but the earth and its weapons will be a different beast by then.

Is it more likely the reason for the mass shootings is a sharp increase in mental health issues as a result of the social media society Americans live if probably to a much deeper extent than any other country on the planet. 1st world problems at their greatest. I'm sure none of the perpetrators of these shootings are mentally stable. An entire way of life change would need to happen before anything changes.

Having thought about, I honestly think there are no viable options. I think these shootings will become more common place and there isn't a thing that can be done about it with the resources we have. It's just going to be part of life. Soon you won't even hear about anything with less that 10 deaths as it won't make the news.

I think there is reason to believe you are right. One thing is certain: if faced with such violent threats, it is your God-given right to protect yourself and others, no matter what others tell you.
 
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I think there is reason to believe you are right. One thing is certain: if faced with such violent threats, it is your God-given right to protect yourself and others, no matter what others tell you.
Nothing is certain in this debate, which is why it's so contentious. And God has nothing to do with your right to own guns...
 
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So you would argue that the right to own a gun is more important than the need to get guns away from violent criminals?

Are you suggesting you have a policy in mind that will certainly eliminate all guns from would-be violent criminals?
 
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