discuss Godaddy auction Bidder 913932 or HD

[Donnyd]

Here is one thing never to with bidder Bidder 913932 in the auctions or hd/GD or whoever it is. Can't be 100% sure. But I,m 99.99

Never bid on any expired domain at the expiry $12 auction wait until goes to the $11 close out. Bidder 913932 will just take it and out bid you if you put a bid in on the $12 side wait until it goes to closeout. Never attract attention. Now if two multiple bidders you have no choice but to bid and overpay or involve yourself but most likely it will include 913932.

If you see a list that these domainers that say "godaddy names with no bids" DON'T go out and bid on them. They're fine lists but again the mistake you will be doing is helping HD do the human work of it all and they will out bid you or make you pay 10x what you where before. Guess who that helps out?

Watch the auction during last 5 minutes if someone bids then go ahead and jump into the action but just don't bid on the $12 domain if it is a hidden gem you have found the autobots will jump on it.

2. Never bookmark a bid or save anything anywhere on any external site that you're are watching this name. Like a star or watch list. NEVER.

3. They don't bid around the clock everyday. So figure out when and what days HD stops bidding. Ask other domainers if they are seeing bidder 913932 is bidding. Don't do SUNDAY they love bidding on those days.

Report and share what your finding with other GD bidders on a form here.

Is it fair what this bidder is doing? I have no idea nor care but if I,m bored I start upping the bids at least 3-5 times on each name then they will stop. They will pay higher on each name. They can't afford this over time. IMO they will pay a certain % or up the bid so many times. Probably 7-8% of the max of the GD appraisal price. Not sure would be interesting to hear from others.

 

[Lord Antares]

All people have to do to stop this is to stop bidding on gd auctions. GD would be in full panic mode after 1 day because they would be making losses on expired domains.

Then they would cut the incentives/deals given to hd because I'm sure HD can't keep buying trash for hundreds and stay profitable without shady business.

 

[Michael Daigle]

Never bid on any expired domain at the expiry $12 auction wait until goes to the $11 close out. Bidder 913932 will just take it and out bid you if you put a bid in on the $12 side wait until it goes to closeout. Never attract attention. Now if two multiple bidders you have no choice but to bid and overpay or involve yourself but most likely it will include 913932.

HD is not bidding on names just because you have a bid placed. They are very opportunistic planning their acquisitions in advance and bidding in the closing minutes using proxy bids.

If you wait until it goes to the $11 closeout, you run the risk of it getting sniped by the API users. I think you're better off bidding during the closing minutes when the price is still at $12.

As for HD having an unfair advantage on the $12 side -- I don't think this is even possible due to the fact that the action will get extended by 5-mins automatically, providing a level playing field for all bidders.

If you research recent "Jobs" auctions sales on GD from over the summer, you will notice several names which are owned by HD. They were likely using proxy bids in the range of $200-400. I've seen some names where they paid more. Obviously, these names fit a certain profile where they're able to acquire for under $200 and then list for $6,000-7,000 more or less.

Here's a name which I won at auction for $200. I own RetailSalesAssociate.com and was interested in acquiring RSAJobs.com. RetailJobs.com sold for $15,000 back in February 2020 so it was a good opportunity to own another related name. HD was also interested and placed a proxy bid in the last five minutes prior to my bid. My proxy bid was set above $200 which surpassed the max amount set by HD. The remaining minutes ticked down and I won the auction.

No foul play, certainly no sniping involved, and I got the name I wanted for a price I was willing to spend.

But if the maximum you want to spend is $11, then certainly go with the closeout and take your chances.

Good Luck!

 

[D Haynes]

HD is not bidding on names just because you have a bid placed. They are very opportunistic planning their acquisitions in advance and bidding in the closing minutes using proxy bids.

If you wait until it goes to the $11 closeout, you run the risk of it getting sniped by the API users. I think you're better off bidding during the closing minutes when the price is still at $12.

As for HD having an unfair advantage on the $12 side -- I don't think this is even possible due to the fact that the action will get extended by 5-mins automatically, providing a level playing field for all bidders.

If you research recent "Jobs" auctions sales on GD from over the summer, you will notice several names which are owned by HD. They were likely using proxy bids in the range of $200-400. I've seen some names where they paid more. Obviously, these names fit a certain profile where they're able to acquire for under $200 and then list for $6,000-7,000 more or less.

Here's a name which I won at auction for $200. I own RetailSalesAssociate.com and was interested in acquiring RSAJobs.com. RetailJobs.com sold for $15,000 back in February 2020 so it was a good opportunity to own another related name. HD was also interested and placed a proxy bid in the last five minutes prior to my bid. My proxy bid was set above $200 which surpassed the max amount set by HD. The remaining minutes ticked down and I won the auction.

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No foul play, certainly no sniping involved, and I got the name I wanted for a price I was willing to spend.

But if the maximum you want to spend is $11, then certainly go with the closeout and take your chances.

Good Luck!

So it is more like HD not wanting attention than our conspiracy theory that HD waiting for humans to make a first move, to guage demand?

They simply place a proxy bid with their pre determined Price at the last minute if what you are saying is true.

I'd say its more likely a case of their API access let's them query for names with bids and assumes those names have some kind of desirability so then posts a proxy bid. It is also correct that any half decent name will be sniped by then when the name enters closeout so that is by no means a guarantee. The above mentioned thread going into more details of theories. A few people (myself included) have just stopped using GD auctions. It's pretty much a con.

 

[DomainVP]

Yes, it's the HD bot.

Take your chances at closeout, never place a bid if it's already $12 in the final minutes.

You will overpay every time.

 

[Donnyd]

Yes Exactly. They will target your $12 dollar bid. I wish people would just ignore it completely until it goes into the closeout. I can't think of any reason to make a bid if your the only bidder. If HD wanted it so badly they would of bid before you, GD is laughing all the way to the bank. Take your chances in closeout first one that gets it, gets it at least it will not be HD.

 

[pb]

It just might help you to know that it is believed by some that they will bid up to 8-12% of the appraisal value this bot gives you: https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal

There are domains where they are bid up to over 20% of GD appraisal and still don't reach their proxy amount. e.g. recycle//my//car dot com HD won for $413 and GD appraisal is $1956. It is now listed for $5995.

wireless//times dot com HD's max was $439 (they lost) and GD appraisal is $2128, so again over 20%. There are more examples, just two off the top of my list.

 

[Samer]

HD Bot # 913932 AND 913933

 

[Samer]

This revelation was made; Give 31 page thread @wwwweb worth read

https://www.namepros.com/threads/huge-domains-sniping-godaddy-closeouts.1135689/

 

[pb]

Well, today is the last day I'm partaking in GD auctions and closeouts, at least that's the plan. I don't mind spending time and money on domains but GD through their actions and inaction are *wasting* my time and that I am not fond of.

 

[GreatBrand.in]

Hi everyone,

We started participating in Auction including GoDaddy expired domain few months ago and there, after two weeks in mid-July, we realised that few companies have formed a monopoly there. We did bidders profiling, studied their pattern and accordingly at the beginning of August changed our bidding process. That is really fun and we are thoroughly enjoying competing with Bots

After 15 days of this costly experiment (during the initial stage when we were not aware of their threshold limit which is based on the quality of domain based on some algorithm I guess, we end up buying), our domain acquisition rate through bid is still less than 1% but our success rate is 100% because in all those bids where we engage we decide the price and poor Bot has to compete. Here we rediscovered the limitation of machine learning and artificial intelligence over human's emotional and unpredictable mind. So use your emotional quotient and increase the bidding price and force them to change their bidding policy.

Enjoy!

 

[Domainer47]

I fell victim to this today when I bid on a name that had until the last 5 minutes only had 7 views. No interest whatsoever - the name did not appear on any auction lists from what I seen today on namepros so most people did not think it was that good.

I placed a bid with 5 minutes 10sec to go and within a minute HD had outbid me and had autobid the name to a preset level.

I'm interested to know if anyone ever bid on a name and then seen in the bid history that HD ID: 913932 was the FIRST bidder on the name? From what I can tell they don't do it. The only conclusion I take from this is that they must be able to snipe closeout names before anyone else so HD would rather people did what the OP is suggesting and not bid so they can steal the name for buttons at closeout.

I was the only person bidding against them and the only slight consolation I got from eventually losing the name is that I cost HD over 500 dollars for a name they would have for sure sniped for only 11.

 

[CraigD]

Can I enquire what sort of names you are bidding on, and is it possible that they are all part of a portfolio or group of portfolios?

 

[blogspotter]

I never realize it until I read the thread above. Sucks..

 

[blogspotter]

Where do you buy then?
Namejet has those shill bidders, and so on..

 

[D Haynes]

Where do you buy then?
Namejet has those shill bidders, and so on..

Snapnames (which is kinda NJ but never had an issue with shills as far as I know), private buys and here on NP. Full disclosure - I don't buy that many names, maybe one a month. I realise GD is probably the biggest resource for large scale portfolios but there are other places to buy expiring names (Epik, Namesilo, Namepal, Name etc) just check expirednames.net.

 

[blogspotter]

Snapnames (which is kinda NJ but never had an issue with shills as far as I know), private buys and here on NP. Full disclosure - I don't buy that many names, maybe one a month. I realise GD is probably the biggest resource for large scale portfolios but there are other places to buy expiring names (Epik, Namesilo, Namepal, Name etc) just check expirednames.net.

I browse all marketplace, but there isn't anything similar to the GDD closeouts. Maybe name liquidate but I need to up my searching game lol

 

[D Haynes]

If it's a good name and someone has bid on it hours before the end, then the name is tainted bc then huge domains will end up getting it, so it doesn't hurt to put in a second bid right now in order to "punish" the person who put in the bid that early (and if by some miracle you end up getting it at that price, then all the better). Then you can move onto sniping other, better names that you can get for just the normal price.

I think these people put in early bids because they don't feel like waiting around for the close or they have something else to do. Or they could be just some dude and have no knowledge of godaddy or domaining. If they put in a bid on a crappy domain early then sometimes HD won't snipe it because the name sucks, so the person will end up getting those domains for only $12. This reinforces this idea that putting in an early bid works.

Better to figure out how to snipe the names at closeout.. I keep hearing about this API, is this the one where we have to pay like $50 a month for API reseller access, or is there a free API code instead of having to hit refresh for 20 minutes straight with your heart pounding out your chest.. only to see the name, put it in your cart, then you get the message "this domain is no longer available"?

GD only give API access to special chosen customers (those that spend the most money). This was discussed in the earlier thread after @Joe Styler said it was an even playing field only to go on to say that not everyone was allowed API access (straight contradiction). The GD expired/closeout auctions are a straight up con and anyone with half a brain can see it.

 

[Lord Antares]

It just might help you to know that it is believed by some that they will bid up to 8-12% of the appraisal value this bot gives you: https://uk.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal

It might help you in bidding against them. It also might help if you could confirm or deny this with your stats.

 

[Lord Antares]

I fell victim to this today when I bid on a name that had until the last 5 minutes only had 7 views. No interest whatsoever - the name did not appear on any auction lists from what I seen today on namepros so most people did not think it was that good.

I placed a bid with 5 minutes 10sec to go and within a minute HD had outbid me and had autobid the name to a preset level.

I'm interested to know if anyone ever bid on a name and then seen in the bid history that HD ID: 913932 was the FIRST bidder on the name? From what I can tell they don't do it. The only conclusion I take from this is that they must be able to snipe closeout names before anyone else so HD would rather people did what the OP is suggesting and not bid so they can steal the name for buttons at closeout.

I was the only person bidding against them and the only slight consolation I got from eventually losing the name is that I cost HD over 500 dollars for a name they would have for sure sniped for only 11.

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Yes and it's very strange that they can keep overpaying like this.

 

[GreatBrand.in]

I did what I was doing and suggested earlier. We were watching one particular domain which was good but we had no particular interest. This attached domain was bidded by one fellow domainer and then at the last moment Bot came and wanted to acquire it at $17. We responded and fight to make at a point when the price reached to $ 267 and then left happily

With this I am sure we saved more than 10 future domains from them. Remember hug portfolio is big assest and at the same time big liability also.

 

[Lord Antares]

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I think GoDaddy secretly owns HugeDomains.

Yes. Notice how you can find zero information on huge domains. Visit their LinkedIn, not a single employee is listed. There is no information about the company whatsoever.

 

[Mark4domain]

IMO i stopped using godaddy auctions about a year ago, it was good the 2-3 years before, now anytime i bid on anything, i get competition. And it's weird to see domains go for 50, $100, $200 that are definitely not worth it IMO. Who are these people bidding these crazy amounts on domains. I think either newbies starting in "domain investing" or HD bot. i'll start keeping an eye on user # who bid

 

[blogspotter]

HD is not bidding on names just because you have a bid placed. They are very opportunistic planning their acquisitions in advance and bidding in the closing minutes using proxy bids.

If you wait until it goes to the $11 closeout, you run the risk of it getting sniped by the API users. I think you're better off bidding during the closing minutes when the price is still at $12.

As for HD having an unfair advantage on the $12 side -- I don't think this is even possible due to the fact that the action will get extended by 5-mins automatically, providing a level playing field for all bidders.

If you research recent "Jobs" auctions sales on GD from over the summer, you will notice several names which are owned by HD. They were likely using proxy bids in the range of $200-400. I've seen some names where they paid more. Obviously, these names fit a certain profile where they're able to acquire for under $200 and then list for $6,000-7,000 more or less.

Here's a name which I won at auction for $200. I own RetailSalesAssociate.com and was interested in acquiring RSAJobs.com. RetailJobs.com sold for $15,000 back in February 2020 so it was a good opportunity to own another related name. HD was also interested and placed a proxy bid in the last five minutes prior to my bid. My proxy bid was set above $200 which surpassed the max amount set by HD. The remaining minutes ticked down and I won the auction.

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No foul play, certainly no sniping involved, and I got the name I wanted for a price I was willing to spend.

But if the maximum you want to spend is $11, then certainly go with the closeout and take your chances.

Good Luck!

So it is more like HD not wanting attention than our conspiracy theory that HD waiting for humans to make a first move, to guage demand?

They simply place a proxy bid with their pre determined Price at the last minute if what you are saying is true.

 

[D Haynes]

I browse all marketplace, but there isn't anything similar to the GDD closeouts. Maybe name liquidate but I need to up my searching game lol

I agree that GD have the biggest inventory but that also means they have the most amount of eyes on each auction. Add the "HD tax" as its become known and you're paying mid $xxx for names that are worth mid $xx to most.

Looking for good names in the list is almost a full time job in itself. Unless you're dedicating hours a day to it you're only going to find a minimal amount of names worth buying. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder and a lot of people are buying and selling names I wouldn't even hand register.