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Wow. This topic blows me away. This girl named Lyndsey Kadziauskas was "raped" at a party. It's no big deal I am posting this here since the day after it happened she came clean and told her parents. Most girls will hold it in and let it build up because they don't want all the extra attention that comes from it. I'm thinking that's all she wanted, and boy did she get it. Lyndsey was in the teen magizene "Cosmo Girl" about two years back right after it all happened. Ben and Matt called Lyndsey and asked her if she wanted to go to a party. Now at this point Lyndsey had NOT been drinking at all. She said she was "looking to improve her popularity", if anything, it hurt her image at school. She says she was emotionaly scared from this and wanted to reach out to all the other girls who had been raped before. That's not true. Honestly, one week later, her and her boy friend were having sex like they were married. Well instead of just blabbing on here's the actual story from online.

Source: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/Living/lyndsey_assault_031205-1.html

Lyndsey Kadziauskas was looking to improve her popularity. It was her first week in high school and she was surprised to be invited to a party at the home of one of the popular kids, 16-year-old Ryan Stinchfield, whose parents were out for the evening.

"I just thought, maybe, well, there's older kids there I knew, maybe I'll have fun," said Lyndsey, who was 14 at the time. "Maybe I'll be cooler if I go over there."

Lyndsey sneaked out of her house and rode to the party with Stinchfield and two other youths, Ben Cormier, 18, and Matt Kelley, 16.

At the party, Lyndsey quickly polished off some strong rum and Pepsi cocktails. She was not an experienced drinker and began to feel sick. She asked to lie down and Stinchfield took her to his bedroom. He left and she was eventually joined by Cormier and Kelley.

"A while later, I don't remember, I didn't have any pants on or any shoes on or anything," said Lyndsey. "Just my shirt and my bra. The next thing was Ben on top of me."

Lyndsey says she was a virgin at the time and was startled by Cormier's actions. "He was trying to have sex with me. I didn't really know what to do." Kelley had sex with her, and she is unclear as to whether or not she said no.

"I don't think so," said Lyndsey. "I was really, really scared … then I fell back asleep or passed out or whatever. And then I woke up and they were all out of the room."

The boys later gave Lyndsey a ride home, during which, she says, they stopped the vehicle and Cormier forced her onto an outdoor table and asked her to perform oral sex on him.

He Said … She Said

The next day Lyndsey was bombarded by phone calls from other kids at school as gossip spread about the incident. She initially said that she wasn't raped.

"I didn't really know what had happened, and I didn't want to say anything wrong to my parents," said Lyndsey. "And I was scared too that they would think badly of me, so I just decided to act like nothing happened."

Cormier, the only boy involved in the case who agreed to speak with 20/20, claimed that Lyndsey seemed to be experienced at oral sex. "She actually acted like she'd done it before," he said, adding, "She never said she didn't want anything to happen."

"I've heard that explanation before," said Cyndi Amato, director of the South Maine Rape Crisis Center. "That doesn't mean that she said yes. It doesn't mean she meant maybe. It means consent was not given.

"We need to educate kids," said Amato. "That's where we have really fallen down on educating our youth: about what consent is … We really need to look at that. Consent to any type of act — especially a sexual act — needs to be active, not passive." Amato added that alcohol is involved in 90 percent of all rapes.

Criminal Investigation

Back at school Lyndsey found notoriety, not popularity. She was taunted and called a "slut" by kids in the hallways. She sought help from her principal and a counselor, and told them she'd been raped. The counselor immediately contacted the police and an investigation was begun.

After investigators searched Stinchfield's bedroom and found a bloodstained mattress, they arrested Cormier and Kelley.

At the age of 19, Cormier was convicted of gross sexual assault — for forcing sex on Lyndsey while she was intoxicated — and is serving at least six years in prison. He maintains he is innocent and is appealing his conviction. Kelley, now 18, is out on parole after serving less than 18 months in a juvenile facility. The party host, Stinchfield, now 18, dropped out of high school and still faces charges of providing a place for minors to drink alcohol.

Throughout the case, Lyndsey says she was ridiculed at school, and even beaten up by one fellow student for accusing the popular boys.

Amato says criticism of Lyndsey is misplaced.

"I would say that it isn't about what she did or what she didn't do," said Amato. "What it is about is what was happening in the moment … the mind-set of these boys."

Instead of keeping a low profile, Lyndsey decided to speak out in the media, including Cosmo Girl, a national teen magazine.

"I wanted to tell a lot of girls that it happened to that it's OK to get the guys in trouble," said Lyndsey. "It's OK to tell someone about it. You know, you shouldn't be ashamed of it, because it's not your fault."

Lyndsey, now 16, is determined to move on. "I just want to think about the future," she said. "I don't want to think about this anymore."
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Here's one thing that REALLY happen.. ben told my brother and I himself. Matt, Lyndsey, and Ben were in a room and she undressed them. Now she wont admit it, but I beleive Ben over her. She doesn't like me because my brother :o

Any comments on this?

OH YEA! This iwll be on TV at 10 P.M. EST I highly suggest you watch it. Ben is being interviewed on the show too :) I haven't seen him for a very long time, and look forward to seeing him.
 
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Indeed it is Darren.

Tippy - I'm 15.. I don't think I'd be kick their asses :p
 
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So you were 13 years old at the time of the party?? No offense.. but what the hell were you doing at a party like this at that age?
 
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Originally posted by Tippy
I've been drunk many times and no matter what I know what I am doing, if I was at this party and knew what was going on in the other room I would have walked in and gave those boys a woop-assing, they knew her age and perfectly what they where doing...

Mike

Could not have put it better myself. This whole argument is just wrong on so many levels

1 14 yr old girl drunk at a party + 2 older boys = statutory rape

end of story - sorry phrone but I see this in black and white

b20
 
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Cassandra - I wasn't drinking too :p I rarely ever drink... only on like home coming night :p

b20 & tippy - well tippy, you say you have been drunk several times before.. now in that time period you were drunk did you know exactly everything you did and how you were doing it? first time I got drunk.. I was clueless. and b20 - it's not all black and white. The story get's one sided because everyone thinks she was HELPLESS. Not at one point in the nigth did she say "no" to the guys. She didn't say yes either. But fi your in bed w/ your wife / girl friend and you wanna.. ya know.. do it ;) you don't ask permission do you?? No. So for now on every time you go to have sex.. make the girl sign a paper saying she agrees to it and was not harmed at all in the process :o
 
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Either way having sex with a minor is ILLEGAL.. either way they'll get charged if they did have sex.
 
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I have been drunk to the point that I could not stand on my own 2 feet. The thing is you still know what is going on but when you are drunk you tend not to give a crap perhaps knowing that you can use the " I was Drunk excuss " if things go wrong.

If they where so drunk how did they manage to get it up or do anything at all, if they where able to perform they sure as heck knew what they where doing.
 
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Originally posted by phrone
Not at one point in the nigth did she say "no" to the guys. She didn't say yes either.

Well I guess that makes it all right then.

No is a concept - it can be said a number of ways, not merely verbally. The fact remains that the girl was a minor and in the eyes of the law is deemed as to not being capable of making that decision therefore - it does not matter if she did not say yes or no. If she had said yes, the boys in question would still have been guilty. The law exists to protect people in just such situations.

phrone, I appreciate that this is an extremely sensitive subject and one that you are extremely close to. Let me put it this way to you. If you had a 14 yr old sister and this had happened to her - would you not want to know that the law protected her from having to make the decision herself.

I know that not everything in life is black and white however in a situation such as this I feel that it should be. As Armstrong said - There has to be a line somewhere that just isn't crossed, otherwise you get the situation mentioned above where people are saying

'Your honour - I know the girl was only 5 - but she never said no'
 
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Originally posted by bensontwenty
'Your honour - I know the girl was only 5 - but she never said no'

it wasn't quite like that ;) Plus a 5 year old wouldnt be drinking and at a party.

They all were drinking and they weren't in any state of mind to be making that serious of desicions..
 
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:| I dont think we're gonna agree on this one Adam - best we both let it lie:|
 
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Allright.
 
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