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What does everyone think about the future of the .co.uk extension? I ask this purely in the context of the latest batch of sTLD applications in the form of .cym (Wales), .sco (Scotland) and .eng (England) - if these extensions were to be approved by ICAAN, would it spell the end for .co.uk?

This is something I've been blogging on recently and I think it coulb interesting to watch how this develops over the next few years, particularly if Scotland wins independence in 2010.

There might be an argument that this should be posted in the ccTLD forum, but since it involves a number of different extensions (some of which cannot be properly defined as ccTLDs) I thought it would be more appropriate posting it here.

dotSCO

dotCYM

dotENG

Cheers :)
 
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.co.uk has been imprinted on people's minds for so many years. It'll probably be a while before the new extensions overtake .co.uk if they even get approved in the first place. :imho:
 
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no way any other uk TDL will overtake .co.uk, like .net and .org will never overtake .com
 
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I don't think those new ccTLDs, if approved, would pose any threat to .co.uk whatsoever. It is a very well established extension and it isn't going anywhere.
 
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ignore those new sTLD and continue buying .co.uk
 
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Takwa said:
no way any other uk TDL will overtake .co.uk, like .net and .org will never overtake .com

I'm not suggesting that they will overtake .co.uk, of course not. I'm more concerned they will REPLACE the .co.uk, should Scoltand become independent. This is a long way off of course but IMO, the domain industry could come to provide the perfect staging ground for a proxy "war" between different cultural units.

It has certainly made me think twice about making any big investment in .co.uk. After all, what is .co.uk if there is no United Kingdom?

*This is PURE speculation. I'm not saying the UK will split, I'm just identifying it as a possibility. I hope I'm wrong, I really do :)
 
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To be honest unless Scotland does become independant I doubt .sco would be approved. he same goes for the other cctld's
 
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If Scotland became independent then it would get assigned it's own ccTLD too, which would put it in the rather humorous position of having three extensions- the old ccTLD (.co.uk) which I'd bet most companies would keep their domains in especially as a lot will probably continue to trade with the rest of the UK, their 'cultural' sTLD (.sco) and their new ccTLD (.aa? or whatever). I know if Scotland/Wales leave the UK then they're automatically out of the EU- I don't know enough about Scotland to comment, but it would be a disaster for Wales so I don't see Wales getting out anytime soon (perhaps England leaving the UK is the best answer for everybody? :lol:).

I think .co.uk will continue to dominate and be the 'professional' and trusted choice. It all depends on how well the extension is marketed. .pro is an excellent idea on paper, but a lack of marketing by the registry and domain holders (so far) means that not many net users would recognise it as an extension.
.cym will likely be a very insular extension probably used for a narrow range of Welsh-language sites that viewers of S4/C will become familiar enough with to use. Although a possible (though unlikely) typo of .com you could get a lot of silly 'typo' registrations- though I doubt this will have an impact as these registrations will be likely be English words and corporation names- most of which won't exist in Welsh.
.sco will be a 50/50 extension with quite a lot of speculation (a bunch of parked names that get dropped after two years), but balanced out by a big number of sites from sectors of the media, the Scottish parliament and Scottish businesses- as a rather nationalistic people I anticipate it will be embraced and promoted so that it does become a normal extension (alongside .co.uk) in the minds of the Scots.
.eng (which I hadn't heard about until today) is likely to be the most heavily speculated of the three and therefore the most likely to fail as an extension that its intended audience ever come to accept. Because of England's huge (relative to Scotland & Wales) population and the sheer number of people who speak English globally, this could be the one bought out by the 'next big thing' crowd.
Of course all this is speculation on my part, anything could happen- I thought .asia was going to be a lot less popular with the previously mentioned 'next big thing' crowd than it turned out to be!!!

Depending on cost, I may register just one .cym for a Welsh-language site. But will most likely ignore the others completely. I really don't like these 'cultural' sTLDs and believe the better solution may have been for the managers of the ccTLDs to offer a second-level domain/extension- e.g. .cym.uk, .sco.uk, .eng.uk, .ca.es (instead of .cat).
 
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.ca.es (instead of .cat).

To correct myself, Catalunya extends into France too, so an extension under .es would have been an inelegant solution.
 
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I know Wales relies heavily on EU structural funds but to be honest, should they leave the EU I doubt it would be for long. In the end I think it will be the Welsh population of some 2 million people that will help keep the fourth most popular domain extension in the world open to new registrations. If Wales were to secede from the UK then it would obviously spell the end of .co.uk.

S~ said:
If Scotland became independent then it would get assigned it's own ccTLD too, which would put it in the rather humorous position of having three extensions- the old ccTLD (.co.uk) which I'd bet most companies would keep their domains in especially as a lot will probably continue to trade with the rest of the UK, their 'cultural' sTLD (.sco) and their new ccTLD (.aa? or whatever). I know if Scotland/Wales leave the UK then they're automatically out of the EU- I don't know enough about Scotland to comment, but it would be a disaster for Wales so I don't see Wales getting out anytime soon (perhaps England leaving the UK is the best answer for everybody? :lol:).

I think Wales has been fairly successful in promoting its own Independence agenda having garnered majority support in the assembly for more law-making powers to be delegated from Westminster (mind you, likewise, my knowledge on Welsh politics is similarly fairly thin on the ground).

I agree with you on this. Welsh attachment to the UK seems more stable than Scottish attachment to the UK and for that reason I also believe the .co.uk will remain "the professional and trusted choice".

S~ said:
I think .co.uk will continue to dominate and be the 'professional' and trusted choice. It all depends on how well the extension is marketed. .pro is an excellent idea on paper, but a lack of marketing by the registry and domain holders (so far) means that not many net users would recognise it as an extension.

Very good point, hadn't really though about this side of it to be honest. Would I be right in saying there have been a number of measures introduced in Wales recently that serve to protect the Welsh language (like mandatory teaching in schools)? In this respect I think application of the Welsh extension will differ from that of .sco (I think this will be worth a mention in future blog posts on the matter ;))

S~ said:
.cym will likely be a very insular extension probably used for a narrow range of Welsh-language sites that viewers of S4/C will become familiar enough with to use. Although a possible (though unlikely) typo of .com you could get a lot of silly 'typo' registrations- though I doubt this will have an impact as these registrations will be likely be English words and corporation names- most of which won't exist in Welsh.

Again, another good point and one I will make sure and address in a future blog post. I agree with you on this.

S~ said:
.sco will be a 50/50 extension with quite a lot of speculation (a bunch of parked names that get dropped after two years), but balanced out by a big number of sites from sectors of the media, the Scottish parliament and Scottish businesses- as a rather nationalistic people I anticipate it will be embraced and promoted so that it does become a normal extension (alongside .co.uk) in the minds of the Scots.

Not sure about .eng to be honest. The thing about England is that it doesn't really have any sense of itself and for that reason I think any .eng extension is doomed to failure. There is no real sense of nationality in England, I would argue that England's main sense of itself comes from being part of the UK. But again you raise an interesting point about cross-application of this extension should it be used for English speaking sites as opposed to a dedicated England ccTLD. I think where this extension is concerned that would prove to be its main market; foreigners generally tend to associate England as being the UK.

S~ said:
.eng (which I hadn't heard about until today) is likely to be the most heavily speculated of the three and therefore the most likely to fail as an extension that its intended audience ever come to accept. Because of England's huge (relative to Scotland & Wales) population and the sheer number of people who speak English globally, this could be the one bought out by the 'next big thing' crowd.

I think .eng.uk and .sco.uk were both proposed a while back but lacked popular support. Excellent post all round, an interesting read. Thanks for the contribution, rep added :)

S~ said:
Depending on cost, I may register just one .cym for a Welsh-language site. But will most likely ignore the others completely. I really don't like these 'cultural' sTLDs and believe the better solution may have been for the managers of the ccTLDs to offer a second-level domain/extension- e.g. .cym.uk, .sco.uk, .eng.uk, .ca.es (instead of .cat).
 
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Wow...3 people from Dundee in this thread :tu:

Being a pro-independence Scot and being a member of the Scottish National Party, I think people can guess where my priorites lie. I would never ever ever ever ever consider myself British. We have a leader, a democratic parliament, a passionate and patriotic population, legendary traditions and a great history - why shouldn't we have our independence? We have some of the best policies in the world, free healthcare and travel for OAPs, free university for all with grants for accomodation, with youngsters being paid to go to school in their final two years, amongst many other things. Not many established nations can boast these policies.


I think in time we will get our own extension. if countries like "Pitcairn Island" have their own extension, so should we.

Yes, I agree .co.uk is popular but it would become like .su (Soviet Union).
If Scotland become independent in 2010, it's game over for .co.uk imho. It would be around for a few years after, but it would soon become defunct (which i hope it will :hehe:)

DomainRaiders.com said:
I don't think those new ccTLDs, if approved, would pose any threat to .co.uk whatsoever. It is a very well established extension and it isn't going anywhere.

Im afraid that won't be the case. If Scotland became independent, it wouldn't be a member of the UK and therefore wouldn't use .co.uk

domaino said:
It has certainly made me think twice about making any big investment in .co.uk. After all, what is .co.uk if there is no United Kingdom?

Bingo!
 
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The thing that turns me off most about Scottish Independence is the manner in which certain Nationalists go about publicising their campaign. If the merits are so clear for all to see then they will be just that, clear for all to see. All of what you draw attention to has been won WHILE Scotland has been part of the UK. The settlement as it stands is quasi-federal, and I'm somewhat unique in the sense that I believe a federal solution is optimal for all (mind you, I think this is a debate best reserved for the break room ;))

On the issue below, I think you're in danger of over-estimating Scotland's importance to the UK. The UK will continue to exist whether Scotland is a part of it or not. In this respect at least, .co.uk is markedly different from .su (which I'm sure is still running and maybe even taking in new registrations? I'm sure I read somewhere that they were considering the future of .su and whether to begin accepting new registrations).

kev said:
I think in time we will get our own extension. if countries like "Pitcairn Island" have their own extension, so should we.

Yes, I agree .co.uk is popular but it would become like .su (Soviet Union).
If Scotland become independent in 2010, it's game over for .co.uk imho. It would be around for a few years after, but it would soon become defunct (which i hope it will :hehe:)
 
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these new exs are long overdue imo

they won't impact co.uk too much

is it just me or does anyone else hate nominets handling of the .uk space

red tape galore and ludicrous change of ownership fees as far as im concerned - its stopped me buying into this space entirely

had a good few co uk and org uk but won't buy anymore
 
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domaino said:
What does everyone think about the future of the .co.uk extension? I ask this purely in the context of the latest batch of sTLD applications in the form of .cym (Wales), .sco (Scotland) and .eng (England) - if these extensions were to be approved by ICAAN, would it spell the end for .co.uk?

They are not applications at all, just groups who want them.

Personally I want .baa for Wales, that does not mean it is an application for ICANN to consider :hehe:

bargaindomains said:
is it just me or does anyone else hate nominets handling of the .uk space

red tape galore and ludicrous change of ownership fees as far as im concerned - its stopped me buying into this space entirely

had a good few co uk and org uk but won't buy anymore

On the plus side:
- they have started doing online transfers
- have you ever heard of a .uk name being stolen?
- if there is any issues you can ring them direct and get things sorted due to the excellent staff.

As with most things, you get what you pay for :)
 
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