information Facebook banning Trump ... Gives too much power to Zuck

[frank-germany]

if he can shut the president up/off, he can shut down any of us up...

 

[Keith]

This is surprising? Fb and Twitter are clearly leftist organizations and have been manipulating feeds to billions of people for months.

The thing I’m happy about is that the left has complete control now. They cannot make a single excuse when they drive this country to hell.

 

[Ante4L]

"Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the social media giant was banning Trump indefinitely."
Jan 07, 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/07/trump-twitter-ban/

Love or Hate Trump, What FB is doing isn't right. Dangerous stuff for the future of politics. Actually scary stuff when you think of it.

 

[JB Lions]

if he can shut the president up/off, he can shut down any of us up...

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If you incite violence, yes. Or.......the other option of just following the rules of whatever platform you're posting on. You can get banned here at NP for not following rules.

This type of stuff shouldn't really be a hard thing to grasp. Places have rules. If you violate them, you can get banned. Really simple stuff.

 

[CraigD]

It's a business - not a community service.

They can do whatever they like within reason.

 

[cipcip]

Why are you taking it this way ? It is his website bro, he can ban whoever he wants

Do you think if the owner of Namepros wants to ban Trump, he wouldn't do it ?

 

[Samer]

Everything allowed in a war.

the left best tool; Cancel culture.

 

[King]

He got banned on Twitter, remember social media sites can do whatever the f*ck they want, it's their site and they will use their size to push their own agenda.

This only gives more reason for people to own their own domains. However, the government can still cease it but I only see that happening for extremely illegal sites. Who knows though what will go down in terms of freedom of speech using your own website in the future.

 

[Kingslayer]

Love or Hate Trump, What FB is doing isn't right. Dangerous stuff for the future of politics. Actually scary stuff when you think of it.

A social media company silencing the president of the US is quite scary, but they are well within their rights and quite frankly in a no win situation.

If they never banned him, it would have been a case of people pointing the finger at social media platforms saying "why didn't you ban him?"

Now they've banned him they still get criticized, i actually think they've done the right thing, infact I'm surprised it took this long, end of the day he abused social media platforms and used these platforms to threaten nations (North Korea and Iran) and world leaders, manipulate people in power (congressmen and governors)/spread propaganda and misinformation and in the case of what happened at Capitol 2 days ago, Trump lit the match for this to happen and did so via social media platforms, that is not fair to these companies.

Love or hate Trump, he's not going to have a voice like he had after 20th January, Trump needs social media platforms to get his message out there, without social media Trump wouldn't have been president and you get the feeling these companies can't wait to ban him permanently and are counting the days down. 1 wrong move by Trump when he's no longer president and you can bet he's going to be banned from the likes of Twitter/Facebook permanently.

 

[Samer]

The Purge continues...

https://m.theepochtimes.com/twitter-suspends-accounts-of-sidney-powell-michael-flynn_3649578.html

 

[Ante4L]

If you incite violence, yes. Or.......the other option of just following the rules of whatever platform you're posting on. You can get banned here at NP for not following rules.

This type of stuff shouldn't really be a hard thing to grasp. Places have rules. If you violate them, you can get banned. Really simple stuff.

Problem with that is they aren't banning everybody. They only ban who they want. A lot of this stuff is personal opinion, taking writing out of context. Not all though. What I'm basically saying is, it's not right to pick and choose, do it to everybody, make it fair.

A social media company silencing the president of the US is quite scary, but they are well within their rights and quite frankly in a no win situation.

If they never banned him, it would have been a case of people pointing the finger at social media platforms saying "why didn't you ban him?"

Now they've banned him they still get criticized, i actually think they've done the right thing, infact I'm surprised it took this long, end of the day he abused social media platforms and used these platforms to threaten nations (North Korea and Iran) and world leaders, manipulate people in power (congressmen and governors)/spread propaganda and misinformation and in the case of what happened at Capitol 2 days ago, Trump lit the match for this to happen and did so via social media platforms, that is not fair to these companies.

Love or hate Trump, he's not going to have a voice like he had after 20th January, Trump needs social media platforms to get his message out there, without social media Trump wouldn't have been president and you get the feeling these companies can't wait to ban him permanently and are counting the days down. 1 wrong move by Trump when he's no longer president and you can bet he's going to be banned from the likes of Twitter/Facebook permanently.

yea I get what you're saying. Don't ban, dems. go nuts. Ban, reps. go nuts. Politics aside though. You can't just ban who you feel like and leave others to do the same thing on the same or opposite opinion angles on the same platform. I know for sure there are plenty of people on both sides saying / doing wrong things on twitter, with big or small followings, Ban everybody then. Problem solved. or pick and choose, & one side will be very angry.

 

[JB Lions]

Leftists saying Ashli’s death justified

leftists wishing “more Protestors died” in the Capitol

i could go on and on... Pathetic.! Double standards.

“Fact check” this.

Actual links to violations.

Some of the left have been banned as well. Not as much because they know how to read and follow rules. Plenty of those on the right still have active social media accounts.

 

[topdom]

OMG. Stop using the label fascism. Fascism != censorship. Study history to learn what true fascism is. In the last days of this administration, in fact, the last 4 years, we have been living in very heated times. Exacerbated by people in power. Hopefully things will settle down with the new administration. But as long as people in power and those who have a large following have the ability to spew their hate-inducing messages, we're in for a long haul.

Social media mediates posts by two ways. AI algorithms and human mediation. They have a huge number of users so they need AI. It is impossible to use human administrators for every single post. As such, there will be false positives and innocent posts can and have been removed. As I highlighted in the first video of the Domaining Show.

Censorship is not the only bad thing they do. They make war, terror, torture, genocide, theft, tell lies all the time, force gmo food and spread gmo viruses, and force toxic vaccines, steal elections.

Yes new Trump administration will be able to do more/better things, because some tratiors will be eliminated.

What I meant: They do wide scale censorship. They may even be blocking emails. What they do is like:
they block an email, and not even put it into recipient's spambox, and not give any error either.
What else can they do: pretend to be me and send stuff under my name, but then it would be a crime. They do most evil things they can do without committing a crime, just because they have an ugly agenda they are trying to hide.

How can any of you approve social media's censorship. Trump never encouraged or praised violence. This is an act of war, even if it is not officially a crime. You could say, I don't like Trump or what he says, but I don't approve such censorship either... Violence in that building was done by people who are Trump's enemies, and it was a small group. And there might be some accidents. But Trump supporters were peaceful. Trump had nothing to gain from violence at such a time and location.

And it looks like: Some Trump supporters were invited to support Trump and protest election theft, and deepstate brought its antifa to create some chaos, and make this an excuse to ban Trump's social media accounts. If you are blaming Trump. then you should allow him to respond to your accusations, otherwise this is called media fascism. It is like you blame someone for something and put him in jail without allowing him to defend himself in court.

 

[Ante4L]

You just dodged a lot of my questions in that long ramble.

I'm completely fine with platforms enforcing the rules of the platform across the board. It's that simple.

lol "long ramble". You're the type of person to not understand. Clearly answered your question if you weren't so full of your own ideas maybe you'de understand. I think that's actually the core issue here, thanks for the proof. It's ok until it's not ok

 

[RogueWriter]

With all due respect, this is one of the most dumbest statements. If you truly believe that, then you don't know what fascism is.

With all due respect yourself, fascist governments believe in totalitarian control of the economy, of the media, and oppressive control of liberty, which is the exact opposite of conservative republicanism. It is EXACTLY like what you see in the left wing democrat party, control of the media, oppressive control of individual freedoms, over regulation, governmental over site and taxation of everything, non-transparent and apparently fixed elections, and now the squashing of the GOP's ability to communicate on social media platforms.

Educate yourself to what is going on. Leftists=fascists.

 

[mr-x]

TOS violations. Even his dumb kids still have active accounts along with many other right leaning folk. If you violate terms, incite violence like saying Pence should be the first for the firing squad, you could get banned. Not sure why the obvious keeps going over your head.

Limiting ability to reach new people, removing followers, shadow banning people because they have different opinions isn't a violation of TOS.

Maybe you should stop making excuses for tyranny and censorship.

 

[TCK]

Fascism= Abuse of power
Democracy= Opposite of fascism.

Abuse of power can and has happened under democracy and keeps happening. If you know well how things work you can manipulate any system of governance. There is no panacea in government. You can only hope for honorable character in your leaders.

 

[CraigD]

Ban or “Suspend”?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/technology/facebook-trump-ban.html?smid=em-share

"Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the social media giant was banning Trump indefinitely."
Jan 07, 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/07/trump-twitter-ban/

 

[JB Lions]

Problem with that is they aren't banning everybody. They only ban who they want. A lot of this stuff is personal opinion, taking writing out of context. Not all though. What I'm basically saying is, it's not right to pick and choose, do it to everybody, make it fair.



yea I get what you're saying. Don't ban, dems. go nuts. Ban, reps. go nuts. Politics aside though. You can't just ban who you feel like and leave others to do the same thing on the same or opposite opinion angles on the same platform. I know for sure there are plenty of people on both sides saying / doing wrong things on twitter, with big or small followings, Ban everybody then. Problem solved. or pick and choose, & one side will be very angry.

Post some examples. And after you find some examples, did you flag it? And you do realize as President you have more reach/influence.

Do you believe people should be free to violate rules/incite violence?

If you ran a site with rules and people violate them, you would do what? Nothing? If nothing, they why have rules in the first place?

 

[Ante4L]

Post some examples. And after you find some examples, did you flag it? And you do realize as President you have more reach/influence.

I mean, do you not agree that there are people on both sides breaking twitter rules? Really? So only Trump right? come on.

Do I flag it? No, because I never flag anything, ever. I never take an opinion to heart and start seeking revenge. Post what you want, I'll listen if I find it valuable, if not, I'll ignore it. To me it's all good whatever you think. It's just a thought and opinion based on your own experiences. I have my own as well. I'm not some social justice warrior trying to flag everybody breaking Twitter rules, I'm simply saying people on both sides are breaking the rules.

Yes, I do realize President has a big reach and following. So do many others on both sides breaking the rules. That's my point.

You're happy about it now, because you don't like Trump. That's all fair, no problems on my end with that.

Just wait until it gets out of control and people you support get banned. Then it's everybody's problem. It won't start and stop with politics either. Imagine what companies, brands, organizations Twitter can just ban because they aren't in line with their ideas or are in competition with a friend or ally of Twitter. If you don't ban everybody for "breaking the rules" & you pick and choose, that's what's going to happen. Then Twitter become the real influencers.

 

[JB Lions]

Yes yes, if you just did what I said, you'de understand that I'm not a supporter either. People like you just can't grasp that though, the concept is tooo much for you to understand. People like you think if somebody doesn't share the exact same opinion they must be what you don't like. That's your problem, that's the core issue. Jumping to conclusions based on emotions instead of really taking it in. O well, maybe you'll learn, maybe you'll never learn, I hope you do though.

I hope you learn basic stuff like:

Don't follow the rules = you might get banned

Follow the rules = active account

Do you get that?

 

[Ante4L]

I hope you learn basic stuff like:

Don't follow the rules = you might get banned

Follow the rules = active account

Do you get that?

Ok I think I'm catching on now. JB Lions is a poorly programmed bot that repeats itself when it can't comprehend things. I get it now & I accept you.

 

[JB Lions]

I too have thought he really may be a bot that may be regurgitating Snopes

Well, you're a well known conspiracy nutter pretending to a doctor on a domain forum. Regurgitating info from flat earther sites.

 

[Kingslayer]

yea I get what you're saying. Don't ban, dems. go nuts. Ban, reps. go nuts. Politics aside though. You can't just ban who you feel like and leave others to do the same thing on the same or opposite opinion angles on the same platform. I know for sure there are plenty of people on both sides saying / doing wrong things on twitter, with big or small followings, Ban everybody then. Problem solved. or pick and choose, & one side will be very angry.

Most people don't break rules as much as Donald Trump though and people who do break rules (ie far right groups promoting misinformation/hatred and division do get banned) love him or hate him you have to admit he pushes boundaries and he does break these sites rules, as said even threatening wipe a nation out once via social media and you can go on and on.

When you sign up to any site/app, you must follow the rules of that site/app, why should the president of any nation be any different?

I think social media have been very lenient with him if I'm honest, they've gave him a stage to perform on and perform he as, as said without social media Trump wouldn't have been 45th president of the US.

Anyway this is all I'm going to post on this, I'm not American and i know Trump as his supporters and i don't want to get into a debate about him, i not a fan of his but i don't have a strong dislike towards him, pre-covid i actually think he's done some good things for America. My only views though and the reason why i replied is my belief that social media are well within the right to do what they have.

 

[RogueWriter]

Most people don't break rules as much as Donald Trump though and people who do break rules (ie far right groups promoting misinformation/hatred and division do get banned) love him or hate him you have to admit he pushes boundaries and he does break these sites rules, as said even threatening wipe a nation out once via social media and you can go on and on.

When you sign up to any site/app, you must follow the rules of that site/app, why should the president of any nation be any different?

I think social media have been very lenient with him if I'm honest, they've gave him a stage to perform on and perform he as, as said without social media Trump wouldn't have been 45th president of the US.

Anyway this is all I'm going to post on this, I'm not American and i know Trump as his supporters and i don't want to get into a debate about him, i not a fan of his but i don't have a strong dislike towards him, pre-covid i actually think he's done some good things for America. My only views though and the reason why i replied is my belief that social media are well within the right to do what they have.

Keep in mind this is not about Trump breaking rules, it is a purge, silencing their political opponents. The CCP is currently oppressing entire religious sects in China, their Twitter account is untouched. Iran is calling for the death of Israel, their Twitter account is untouched. The left is trying to make sure the right cannot communicate, cannot organize; this is about the nut job leftists maintaining power for a generation.