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Anyone here using NameSilo and Epik? How does Epik compare to NameSilo? Interested in hearing from those with hands-on experience regarding pros and especially cons with consideration for the following:

- I don't want domain privacy

- not interested in their "marketplaces"

- not interested in registrar's DNS management / domain parking

- not interested in ccTLD's and new gTLD's offerings


- interested in admin panel convenient for managing domains in the thousands

- interested in robust multiple sub-accounts / user management

- interested in reselling

- interested in convenient domain "push" process between accounts


So far leaning towards Epik because of their competitive, fixed standard .COM pricing (for NP members), proactive "can do" support and domaining-centric environment and suite of additional services

*** Note: NOT INTERESTED in any other registrars - already have accounts with and tried most of them out and formed an opinion ***
 
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@dordomai - I was joshing - it's free

http://www.epik.com/about/
Unmatched Privacy and Security

All domains can use our free WHOIS privacy proxy service as well as IP-address security protection and 2-Factor authentication for those who require it. For high value domains, Epik.com offers complementary max-lock services.
 
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I guess I am the only one here with this problem - but having to ask for special discount pricing turns me off. I like to do business with people who are transparent about their offerings and pricing - that is not Epik for me. I want to be able to pull up their pricing page and just get the scoop so to speak. I am so done with trying to bargain with registrars over chat or waiting on coupon codes and transfer specials. Additionally, I think my customers could be turned off by seeing a $35 renewal fee.

Also, it seems like unsustainable pricing given wholesale pricing icannwiki.com/Verisign and merchant processing fees. Now that's not to say that Epik is a bad registrar - don't get me wrong - I just prefer businesses who treat all customers equally and make their best prices available to all and do so transparently - its shows integrity and that goes a long way for me.
 
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@caffeinejolt - who have you found who satisfies your requirements?

PS - when you are logged in with epik, and go to domain name prices, the chart reveals your account-specific pricing
 
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Currently most of my portfolio is at namesilo. That's not to say I am anti-epik - I have an account there too and am familiar with their offerings - you can certainly do a lot worse than epik when choosing a registrar. I just really value transparency/integrity/speed/etc. when it comes to where I keep most of my portfolio.
 
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that is correct. Domainers can request an at-cost account. Since it is truly cost, we prefer accounts to be funded via bank deposit, but that is more of a courtesy and not enforced. Just be aware that it is truly cost: registry + ICANN fee. Accounting for payment processing, these at-cost accounts actually generate a transactional loss for Epik despite being full-service and all-inclusive. The logic for doing this is that our profits come from selling to end-users. When a domainer sells to an end-user, we gain a profitable customer. So, we can afford to service domainers as inventory partners. Unconventional, but it works out. it is essentially a market-development expense. We rather pass some savings to domainers than buy a Super Bowl Ad.

https://www.namepros.com/posts/5833227/

The supported methods of sending and receiving funds to/from Epik for an escrow transaction are:

Credit Card
PayPal
ACH
Wire
Bitcoin
Paper check
Western Union

If the seller chooses to use funds within Epik, there is no fee. The proceeds are deposited to the seller's Epik balance without fee. If funds are disbursed, then the fee depends on the transaction size and the payment method that was used. It is never more than 5%. For a wire transaction, it is 1.5%, and can be even lower for a large transaction.

For smaller transactions, e.g. under $2500, most folks will simply use our domain marketplace. In this case, the domain is on Epik registrar. The buyer is able to then purchase (or lease) the domain from our marketplace at which time (1) the domain instantly moves to the buyer's Epik account, and (2) the proceed from the sale are instantly deposited to the seller's Masterbucks account. Once funds are deposited, these funds are instantly available for use from within the Epik account without fee.

Specific to China transactions, our marketplace is busy with China transactions all day long. The interface does have a Chinese language version and support is 24/7. We are looking to add Chinese native staff in the next few months, or potentially a China-based acquisition. In the meantime, we have had no problem processing marketplace and escrow transactions for Chinese customers. If someone needs something special, they should contact us to discuss.

Since I also received other questions via email, I will go ahead and address those here as well:

Why does Epik offer this service?
We have offered this service as a convenience for customers for years now. We have done some fairly exotic transactions, combining payment methods, structuring payments, splitting disbursements, bundling domains and websites, etc. Many people who come to us have reported that Escrow.com was not flexible, too slow, or unable to process an escrow transaction in the manner that buyer or seller needed.

What is the benefit for Epik to complete an escrow transaction or marketplace sale without a fee?
The main benefit for Epik is that it is what in marketing language is called a "Point of entry". When a domain owner sells a domain to a new end-user, we gain a new (retail) client. Since domain investors generally get everything from Epik at or near cost, our margins have to come from serving end-users, typically through a bundle of services such as domain, hosting, development, SSL certs, etc.

Why can buyer and seller trust Epik?
Escrow transactions are fundamentally a trust issue, so it is a fair question. After all, both buyer and seller are depositing assets with a 3rd party intermediary who will facilitate a fair exchange. To date, I have personally coordinated all of our escrow transactions, managing the dialog with buyer and seller, providing assurance and clarification where needed. We get it done.

What about Purchase and Sale Agreement?
Most escrow transactions don't require one. However, to the extent that a legal agreement is needed, beyond Epik's standard terms, we provide templates which can be used as needed. If a custom agreement is needed, we can prepare one. Though I am not an attorney, I believe most would advise that for large transactions, e.g. $100K+ a purchase and sale agreement is advisable.

Does Epik disclose sales via escrow or marketplace?
We rarely do. In fact, the branding language of "The Swiss Bank of Domains" and "Legendary Support" were both cases of customers coming up with the language. In the process of time, we simply adopted those terms, and then have worked hard to operate in a way that aligns to the promises made in that branding. There are some great testimonials here. On a related, WHOIS privacy is always free at Epik.

Are there transactions that you don't do?
We are generally not the market-maker to choose when buying or selling adult domains. We know nothing about the market for those domains and prefer not to do them, and generally drop them. I am happy to discuss the reasons for this one on one with anyone who needs to understand the reason. If you check out our daily diamonds list of names being dropped, you will often find traffic names there. It is a reverse auction, running for 24 hours. The prices drop to as low as $19.

I hope that helps. Let me know if you need more.

https://www.namepros.com/posts/5136864/

1. In case not aware and that is that you can also pay with Bitcoin and be paid out with Bitcoin. We recently added native support for BTC transactions.

2. Sales proceeds that are kept on Epik are indeed 100% commission-free and tax-free. For guys who sell domains and have domain renewal/transfer expenses, there is no better deal than Epik.

Specific to the escrow topic, I am quite baffled that the domain industry does not have stronger escrow options. Epik will fill the void.

We also provide 1 year interest-free domain loans in the form of Epik account credit for folks that need a little help bridging cashflow and are at risk of losing domains they prefer to keep.

https://www.namepros.com/posts/5833240/

@robepik @RL


$8.10 .com -> new registrations / transfers / renewals

https://www.namepros.com/threads/8-10-com-new-registrations-transfers-renewals.982029/
 
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On the WHOIS privacy question, it is always free. It is included with your at-cost domain pricing.

On the API question, we do also have an integrated and versatile API. Once you login, you can access it here:

https://registrar.epik.com/account/api-settings/

There you can set your access control rules and download the documentation. People do use it for dropcatching, though really it is not the intended use. For persons who are mostly wanting to integrate into their own native marketplace, you are better off using our free domain marketplace product:

http://www.epik.com/solutions/marketplace/

As for charging more to retail end-users, while giving domainer at-cost pricing, keep in mind that there is a lot of innovation and customer service that folks expect from Epik as the industry's rare/only full-service registrar and host. Ultimately, to be a viable business, someone has to pay for that. The end-users who are buying 1 domain from you will greatly appreciate that there is someone 24/7 available to deal with their questions as they get started moments after buying or leasing their new domain. And if they own multiple domains, they too can get professional pricing.
 
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@robepik @RL

"For smaller transactions, e.g. under $2500, most folks will simply use our domain marketplace. In this case, the domain is on Epik registrar. The buyer is able to then purchase (or lease) the domain from our marketplace at which time (1) the domain instantly moves to the buyer's Epik account, and (2) the proceed from the sale are instantly deposited to the seller's Masterbucks account. Once funds are deposited, these funds are instantly available for use from within the Epik account without fee."

Could you please tell me if I can withdraw the above funds with PayPal?
 
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@robepik @RL

"For smaller transactions, e.g. under $2500, most folks will simply use our domain marketplace. In this case, the domain is on Epik registrar. The buyer is able to then purchase (or lease) the domain from our marketplace at which time (1) the domain instantly moves to the buyer's Epik account, and (2) the proceed from the sale are instantly deposited to the seller's Masterbucks account. Once funds are deposited, these funds are instantly available for use from within the Epik account without fee."

Could you please tell me if I can withdraw the above funds with PayPal?

Yes, it is no problem. There is a 5% commission in this case.
 
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There is a 5% commission in this case.

wow..5% for PayPal???
Do you use Payoneer?

Also what's the time frame for disbursement?
You can link me to the page if you prefer, thanks
 
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wow..5% for PayPal???
Do you use Payoneer?

Also what's the time frame for disbursement?
You can link me to the page if you prefer, thanks

By popular request, we'll add Payoneer payout support later this month. Currently the payout options are:

PayPal
Check via mail
ACH
Bitcoin
Wire - bank wire fee

Disbursement is usually within 24 hours. Verified accounts are paid out in minutes/hours.
 
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@Adam27 - Leasing on the attractive terms that we offer is really for two reasons:

(1) It is a differentiating feature versus all other registrars, in that we have integrated a product for secure leasing with attractive terms.

(2) It is a customer acquisition strategy in that when a domainer leases or sells a domain, we gain an end-user. In case not obvious, we make all of our margin on end-users.
 
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I'm glad I ran across this thread. I'm thinking of consolidating my domains later on this year. I am a fan of NameSilo. Have not tried epik, but I may.
Thanks, everyone, for posting.
Quick question... Are either companies offering fast transfer with Afternic or have plans to? I seem to sell a bunch on Afternic and would love the fast transfer.
 
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I'm glad I ran across this thread. I'm thinking of consolidating my domains later on this year. I am a fan of NameSilo. Have not tried epik, but I may.
Thanks, everyone, for posting.
Quick question... Are either companies offering fast with Afternic or have plans to? I seem to sell a bunch on Afternic and would love the fast transfer.

Don't know for Epik, but NameSilo is part of Afternic Premium Network.
 
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Don't know for Epik, but NameSilo is part of Afternic Premium Network.

Yes, we are one of the few registrars that is both part of the Afternic Premium and Sedo fast transfer programs.
 
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Epik is on Afternic and Sedo MLS.

We will also release a secure, native mobile app this quarter which also will support the MLS inventories with fast-transfer. I met with Sedo's CEO, Tobias Flaitz, at NamesCon last week. We are looking forward to doing more with Sedo in the coming months to help Sedo compete more effectively in mobile-centric markets like India, China and Latin America. I believe this is a positive development for Epik customers.
 
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I have been using both..NameSilo for longer and so far my experience is the following.

NameSilo : the only cons are the old interface ( but totally functional and effective ) and the absence of PP disbursement / withdrawals for marketplace sales. I would like to see international transactions being as easy as US to US and the whois searches as well.

Epik : some cool functionalities like the rotating parking companies and the ability to see whois searches plus a very clean and well structured dashboard. Support -at least here on NP- outstanding.
Cons : very slow website and filters for domain marketplace are pretty much non existent.
 
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I have been using both..NameSilo for longer and so far my experience is the following.

NameSilo : the only cons are the old interface ( but totally functional and effective ) and the absence of PP disbursement / withdrawals for marketplace sales. I would like to see international transactions being as easy as US to US and the whois searches as well.

Epik : some cool functionalities like the rotating parking companies and the ability to see whois searches plus a very clean and well structured dashboard. Support -at least here on NP- outstanding.
Cons : very slow website and filters for domain marketplace are pretty much non existent.

Thanks for the feedback. We have a few new options coming out for Maketplace payment disbursement, but, just so you know, PayPal is already an option along with wire and account funds. We will be adding company check, ACH and bitcoin as well shortly.
 
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