discuss Epik vs. Epic and Happy New Year!

[ThatNameGuy]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=epik

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=domainer

Just like "domainer" isn't a real word, either is epik However, they both are found in the Urban Dictionary and Wiktionary, thus they're not made up words imho.

Like I have with other key words, I've just started accumulating a portfolio titled; EpikNames.com like; EpikTravel.com, EpikVegas.com and EpikJobs.com

Rob Monster the CEO of Epik.com was the first industry leader I met when I accidentally found the domain industry and the secondary market that Verisign says is "hidden in plain sight".

It's been said, if you want a new idea read an old book, and you may want to think of me as the old book I found this industry too late to be involved in "one word" domains, but two word domains have become my skill set that I've been told I'm pretty good at, and hopefully getting better.

Now getting back to Epik vs. Epic. As a business person, would you rather own the domain EpicTravel at 20K or EpikTravel at 2K? In my mind it's a No Brainer, but not so fast old time "domainers" might say? To put things in perspective, I just bought the domain EpikTravel.com from Epik.com for $8 and GD Values it at $1,343 while it Values EpicTravel at $6,455. And while those valuations sound way out of bounds, NameWorth values EpicTravel.com at $9,450 and EpikTravel.com at <less than $500. Furthermore, NameWorth values Epik.com at $64,000 and Epic.com at 10M, that's right ten million dollars

Finally, and maybe it's just me, but I like "Epik" better than "Epic"....maybe it's that EpikWeed I've been smoking. What say you?....Happy New Year

 

[Joe N]

There really isn't enough data to support that until you check with Epikiq.com or maybe EpikTrust. Those folks will have all the answers in a few years, or you might check with an Epikid

That's exactly what the data supports. If your intuition tells you otherwise, that's fine, but it's hard to ignore that many more sales of Epic vs. Epik.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

That's exactly what the data supports. If your intuition tells you otherwise, that's fine, but it's hard to ignore that many more sales of Epic vs. Epik.

Intuition tells me #39 and #40 EpikLink.com and EpikCapital.com are winners. It's funny, intuition combined with knowledge is a powerful thing. Thanks for your help.

 

[Joe N]

Intuition tells me #39 and #40 EpikLink.com and EpikCapital.com are winners. It's funny, intuition combined with knowledge is a powerful thing. Thanks for your help.

Only if you're willing to combine them.

For sure! Good luck with the names.

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

Epic will always be the record company in my understanding.
This great SADE song was actually a demo recording.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Epic will always be the record company in my understanding.
This great SADE song was actually a demo recording.Show attachment 140639

Thanks james...you've shared something with us, now I'll return the favor;

https://www.dailywritingtips.com/20-words-with-more-than-one-spelling/

I wasn't aware that words sometimes have two different spellings. I wonder if that could be the case for Epic and Epik?.....or is that too much of a stretch?

 

[Dandelion]

The problem is that most of the damaging and hateful things he's said has unfortunately been deleted. For about 2 years now he's been rude to not just myself and a handful of other specific members, but also to the NP and domaining community as a whole. I have no idea why he even attacked me. When he first started out in his first week at NamePros he reached out to me and I took a significant amount of my personal time to message him privately to offer help/advice. Then sometime in the year after that he launched into me accusing me of being part of some conspiracy group stalking him!? (I still don't know where that came from as especially until then all my posts had been very factual, data/logic based and clinical as most of my post typically are).

I have actually previously asked NamePros to NOT delete his slanderous, antagonistic and obnoxiously rude posts so that specifically his true nature would not be hidden to others. But for some reason NamePros continues to delete his stuff, ban him, and then allow him to return? So you need to keep in mind he's has countless posts where he's been extremely rude and slanderous to fellow members of this community that you haven't seen because they have been deleted or exist only as private messages.

In November he started a couple of private messages and included dozens industry and NamePros leaders in those private group messages in an attempt to slander me and literally call me "one of the biggest A holes I've run across in my life" (which is ironically actually a compliment coming from him .. lol). The irony is that if you go back to all my posts that crossed his, I've always used logic, math, facts and data to make my arguments .. it was never anything close to being personal for me, like with everyone else at NamePros, I was simply offering my opinions and advice (heavily supported by logic/facts/data) .. then instead of admitting his concepts have been logically disproven, or even simply try to defend his ideas by using logic/data/facts of his own .. he then chooses to throw insults and false accusations at me and others in the community and then even go so far as to say he doesn't even read my posts (yet somehow also claims I'm wrong and am being slanderous .. lol .. ironically actually making him the only one actually being slanderous)

So while it might feel that @ThatNameGuy frustrates me for very superficial and benign reasons, and his nonsense, false accusations, rude behaviour and general shenanigans generally do more and more (particularly since his group private message attacks in November).. but what really bothers me is his constantly posting his fantasy business concepts in ways that gives the impression it's domaining .. and then reinforcing his supposed authority by constantly reminding the community that he has named dozens of businesses 40 years ago (wrongfully thinking that coming up with usable business names automatically makes your concepts good domaining strategy .. which to be clear is NOT the case)

Then not only does he post things that should not be in "domain/domaining" related forums, and not only does he continue to insult people .. but then he repeatedly uses these discussions to "subtly" promotes his domains and even worse .. to look for suckers partners to either invest time or money into helping him develop his concepts. In effect what he does is grab dozens or even hundreds of otherwise worthless hand-registrations, presents a grandiose fantasy business concept where he paint a portrait of making tons of money, then leaves bait indirectly fishing for investors, or even worse, developers who he tries to get to essentially do all the actual work.

That is the specific reason why I continuously stand against his non-domainer concepts (or in this case bad domainer concepts) in an attempt to defend this community and particularly newcomers from his dangerous and misrepresentative ideas. Ironically if he simply presented then honestly as theoretical and fantasy business concepts IN AN APPROPRIATE VENUE, then I'd actually have zero issues with his posts (whether or not they are good or bad business concepts). If his intentions were clear and presented appropriately in a proper venue then I'd likely still think most of them were bad business ideas, but it wouldn't bother me because it wouldn't be dangerously misleading to newcomers in the DOMAINING industry when reading his usual nonsense in DOMAIN related forums!




While I'll be the first to state (because I like facts to be clear), that in this particular thread, @ThatNameGuy thankfully seems to be focused on the specific "Epik" domain names, but as stated multiple times, my biggest issue with him is that his posts are not about domain names .. they are about fantasy business development concepts to which he's acquired the relevant (but otherwise worthless/useless) domains.

So unlike most of his posts .. at the start I didn't really have an issue with the existence of this thread .. although I obviously strongly disagree with the merit of the actual domains in question (two-word "epik" domains). That is UNTIL like clockwork he started dropping some of his other non-related domains he's trying to push (his Yum domains).

What's 100x worse and annoying is that like usual, he adds unrelated domains but tried to justify it with empty statements like ..
"Much to your chagrin I'm not going anywhere, but I will leave you with a few of the domains I recently hand reg'd for my newest portfolio..."
or often it's more in the tone of: here are some other names I registered that you probably can't see the value in
Again, I want to be clear that I'm paraphrasing the later one because I can't be bothered to search likely deleted posts, but he's always cross-promoting his other domains and business concepts, and usually in a condescending way. All of which I can take with a grain of salt .. but what makes me cringe is that he almost always does this without even saying a word of how it related to the current discussion. Like WHY did he mention his Yum domains? If he had used them in a way to show some parallel logic to back up his Epik domains, then maybe I could stomach it .. but he very clearly did not!

MUST YOU WRITE A BOOK EVERYTIME YOU MAKE A REPLY?

This is one of the disadvantages of skipping classes. Go back and take the English Summary Lessons

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I wasn't aware that words sometimes have two different spellings.

Thanks for the link. In Canada tons of words have multiple spellings as we bridge UK and US spelling in an effort to get along with many. That is both a challenge, and an opportunity, for domain investors. You have more choices but some will guess the other. Simple Google search results will give some idea of popularity of each spelling of words with multiple spelling.

Bob

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Thanks for the link. In Canada tons of words have multiple spellings as we bridge UK and US spelling in an effort to get along with many. That is both a challenge, and an opportunity, for domain investors. You have more choices but some will guess the other. Simple Google search results will give some idea of popularity of each spelling of words with multiple spelling.

Bob

Bob...you may have seen where Oldtimer started a thread titled; "Tips On How to Hand Register Good Domains" As a result of his thread and this thread, I just hand registered Wordvest.com and Wordinvestigator.com. As you know I've done a lot of different things in my life, and one of the businesses I started in midlife was Inquisitor Investigations. I was one of those annoying little kids who always asked WHY?, and answer's always seemed to lead to another question?

In keeping with the theme of this thread, I'm still pretty intrigued with the word epik spelled with a "k" and how it got started. Here's another link to a website called Word.tips that I found interesting; https://word.tips/words-end-in/ic/ What I found most interesting is there are just 16 four letter words that end in "ic" like epic, and only two others am i familiar with; chic and flic, and in both cases like with epic, the "c" is pronounced as a "k"

I guess my last question to anyone reading this is, how can epic spelled with a "k" become an officially recognized word? As a word investigator now working for Wordvest, I intend to look into it, but maybe someone already knows? Thanks

 

[NickB]

Bob...you may have seen where Oldtimer started a thread titled; "Tips On How to Hand Register Good Domains" As a result of his thread and this thread, I just hand registered Wordvest.com and Wordinvestigator.com. As you know I've done a lot of different things in my life, and one of the businesses I started in midlife was Inquisitor Investigations. I was one of those annoying little kids who always asked WHY?, and answer's always seemed to lead to another question?

In keeping with the theme of this thread, I'm still pretty intrigued with the word epik spelled with a "k" and how it got started. Here's another link to a website called Word.tips that I found interesting; https://word.tips/words-end-in/ic/ What I found most interesting is there are just 16 four letter words that end in "ic" like epic, and only two others am i familiar with; chic and flic, and in both cases like with epic, the "c" is pronounced as a "k"

I guess my last question to anyone reading this is, how can epic spelled with a "k" become an officially recognized word? As a word investigator now working for Wordvest, I intend to look into it, but maybe someone already knows? Thanks

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/how-does-a-word-get-into-the-dictionary

It does not need to be in the dictionary to be a word......

Last paragraph.......

"What about words that don’t make it into the dictionary?

They’re still real words! Many words that aren’t widespread enough to make it into the dictionary—words that are particular to a region or profession or even a family—are perfectly good words; it’s just unlikely that a person outside that area or group would encounter them. For now."

 

[ThatNameGuy]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/how-does-a-word-get-into-the-dictionary

It does not need to be in the dictionary to be a word......

Last paragraph.......

"What about words that don’t make it into the dictionary?

They’re still real words! Many words that aren’t widespread enough to make it into the dictionary—words that are particular to a region or profession or even a family—are perfectly good words; it’s just unlikely that a person outside that area or group would encounter them. For now."

Thanks Nick...i'd forgotten who you are. Happy New Year! I'd also forgotten that your favorite domain is DefiMortgages.com and thanks for the explanation

The "For now" in your comment sort of indicates it can become an "official" word "if" it's used and recognized enough. If that's the case, who recognizes that? How are they influenced? Anyone? Thanks!

 

[Joe N]

Thanks Nick...i'd forgotten who you are. Happy New Year! I'd also forgotten that your favorite domain is DefiMortgages.com and thanks for the explanation

The "For now" in your comment sort of indicates it can become an "official" word "if" it's used and recognized enough. If that's the case, who recognizes that? How are they influenced? Anyone? Thanks!

It sounds like each dictionary makes its own decisions on word inclusions based on research they do to establish both quantity and breadth of the word usage.

From Dictionary.com:

"It’s the dictionary’s job to describe all words the way they are used in the real world, so dictionaries contain standard words, slang words, dialect words, nonstandard words, and more. (And by “all words,” we do mean all words, and that includes swears and slurs, too. Their inclusion in the dictionary doesn’t mean we approve of their use; it’s evidence, even if hurtful, that the words are or have been used by people.)

The work of a dictionary is to document the meaning of words as they are actually used. This approach is called descriptivism. It is way of studying language that observes how people are really using language in the speech and writing of their real lives. As our lexicographers have put it: “Dictionaries are in the messy business of showing how actual people use words in the real world.” They read a wide variety of texts and transcribed speech and then write definitions based on that research."

 

[NickB]

It sounds like each dictionary makes its own decisions on word inclusions based on research they do to establish both quantity and breadth of the word usage.

From Dictionary.com:

"It’s the dictionary’s job to describe all words the way they are used in the real world, so dictionaries contain standard words, slang words, dialect words, nonstandard words, and more. (And by “all words,” we do mean all words, and that includes swears and slurs, too. Their inclusion in the dictionary doesn’t mean we approve of their use; it’s evidence, even if hurtful, that the words are or have been used by people.)

The work of a dictionary is to document the meaning of words as they are actually used. This approach is called descriptivism. It is way of studying language that observes how people are really using language in the speech and writing of their real lives. As our lexicographers have put it: “Dictionaries are in the messy business of showing how actual people use words in the real world.” They read a wide variety of texts and transcribed speech and then write definitions based on that research."

I only use websters or the Oxford English Dictionary as they are the most authoritative and comprehensive (in my mind anyway), I used Websters for my example due to this being a predominantly U.S based forum.......

Oxford English Dictionary submissions process below

https://public.oed.com/contribute-to-the-oed/#

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I only use websters or the Oxford English Dictionary as they are the most authoritative and comprehensive (in my mind anyway), I used Websters for my example due to this being a predominantly U.S based forum.......

Oxford English Dictionary submissions process below

https://public.oed.com/contribute-to-the-oed/#

Thanks...

 

[Joe N]

Rich, you could become single-handedly responsible for introducing a new word into the English language. Just inundate the internet with it and then submit to Oxford. My suggested definition: "more epic than epic."

I wonder if that would qualify as the greatest lengths anyone has gone to in the name of selling some domains?

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Rich, you could become single--handedly responsible for introducing a new word into the English language. Just inundate the internet with it and then submit to Oxford. My suggested definition: "more epic than epic."

I wonder if that would qualify as the greatest lengths anyone has gone to in the name of selling some domains?

Can anyone read this...is it German? Swedish? Dutch? Thanks

https://www.studienkreis.de/deutsch/epik-merkmale/

 

[Bob Hawkes]

So domainer is not a word in any of the official dictionaries (excluding urban dictionaries, etc.). That seems surprising. It is used in the ICANN wiki, about 500,000 times in Google results, etc. Does anyone know if it has ever been proposed for addition to a dictionary?

I think that in terms of unusual spelling ultimately what is widely used is most important, although spellings not widely used may be more TMable of course.

To see use of any words in books you can use the Google NGram viewer. For example here is a plot of how epic and epik have been over the years. You can see that epik is almost nowhere, and epic is increasing in use. But remember that is in books, and not in last few years.

I also did comparisons of brite and bright as shown in this plot. Again brite is essentially nowhere in books. Interestingly bright seems to have peaked in use some years ago.

Bob

 

[NickB]

So domainer is not a word in any of the official dictionaries (excluding urban dictionaries, etc.). That seems surprising. It is used in the ICANN wiki, about 500,000 times in Google results, etc. Does anyone know if it has ever been proposed for addition to a dictionary?

I think that in terms of unusual spelling ultimately what is widely used is most important, although spellings not widely used may be more TMable of course.

To see use of any words in books you can use the Google NGram viewer. For example here is a plot of how epic and epik have been over the years. You can see that epik is almost nowhere, and epic is increasing in use. But remember that is in books, and not in last few years.

I also did comparisons of brite and bright as shown in this plot. Again brite is essentially nowhere in books. Interestingly bright seems to have peaked in use some years ago.

Bob

Bob,

If I had to trust one person with getting the word "Domainer" into the dictionary it would be you

Go forth and spread the word.....

 

[NickB]

Can anyone read this...is it German? Swedish? Dutch? Thanks

https://www.studienkreis.de/deutsch/epik-merkmale/

If you use Google you should get the option to translate the page automatically....I do anyway

If not, then maybe the below can help

https://www.dummies.com/education/internet-basics/how-to-translate-a-website-with-google-translate

 

[Joe N]

If you use Google you should get the option to translate the page automatically....I do anyway

If not, then maybe the below can help

https://www.dummies.com/education/internet-basics/how-to-translate-a-website-with-google-translate

Or just pop some text right into Google translate:

https://translate.google.com/#

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Bob,

If I had to trust one person with getting the word "Domainer" into the dictionary it would be you

Go forth and spread the word.....

So in the big scheme of things what might it mean "if" we were able to get words like "domainer" or "epik" into Webster or Cambridge assuming they're already in the Urban Dictionary etc.?