Elite LLL.com holders -- Portfolios worth $100k+

[fonzie_007]

A scan on 10/21/06 yielded the following number of domains registered to a particular email address.

This scan was sponsored by: www.4rchitect.com

Points to consider when interpreting the data:

• This scan was imperfect due to whois privacy and one particularly large registrar blocking proxy whois queries for email addresses. In total, all 17576 LLL.com domains were scanned, but only 8753 came back with email results. This means that the scan only came back with apporximately 50% valid results. Please keep in mind the remaining 8823 domains may yield other email addresses that have large LLL.com portfolios or more domains registered to a particular email address that is already listed below.

• While it is understood many LLL.com have values that far exceed $3,500, I have used this dollar value as a conservative mark of what an average LLL.com may be worth on a reseller's market.

• An individual with a smaller portfolio may actually have a more valuable portfolio than someone who has a larger portfolio if the smaller portfolio has better letter quality.

Millionaires—The Elite of the Elite
Email address ---- # of domains ---- $ value (@$3500/domain)
develop[at]telepathy.com 895 $3,132,500
1[at]1tv.tv 575 $2,012,500
support[at]moniker.com 509 $1,781,500

Elite LLL.com holders
Email address ---- # of domains ---- $ value (@$3500/domain)
jdouman[at]aol.com 166 $581,000
itadmin[at]scottcraft.com 142 $497,000
admin[at]mostwanteddomains.biz 104 $364,000
javafx[at]aol.com 101 $353,500
admin[at]67k.com 97 $339,500
contact[at]anything.com 94 $329,000
drewphy[at]gmail.com 89 $311,500
chiccodin[at]aol.com 78 $273,000
proxy0805[at]domaingrabber.com 478 $273,000
domains[at]nettuner.com 63 $220,500
info[at]spamfreereg.com 60 $210,000
yoni[at]original.com 55 $192,500
noc[at]dwt.co.in 51 $178,500
brokerage[at]buydomains.com 50 $175,000
cio[at]3v.net 49 $171,500
dnsadmin[at]kingweb.com 44 $154,000
domainadmin[at]exoticdomains.net 43 $150,500
domains[at]modernsecurity.com 36 $126,000
corporatedomains[at]cscinfo.com 31 $108,500

Please do not email these individuals unless you are geniunely interested in purchasing their domains.

If you or someone you know has been omitted from this list, please pm me with the domains. I will then verify them and update the thread accordingly. Thanks.

 

[fonzie_007]

I'm guessing that there are many 3 letter domains worth more than $3,132,500. My gut feeling is that an average 3 letter domain at $3500 is very low. Over 70% of 3 letter domains have at least two premium letters. Personally, I would multiply these figures by at least 2.

You are right and that is why I prefaced the post stating the fact the $3500 is a very conservative estimate (even on a reseller's market).

 

[gazzip]

I can't get my head around the whole LLL.com thing to be honest

I can only really see the actual value in them as acronyms for company names etc (big value) but - why do people that have loads of money and will not ever sell them want them so much ?

Yes the may get alot of traffic but does that traffic actually convert to clicks ?

Just how would anyone know what they were looking for in order to have decent ads for them to click on ?

Are they valuable only because they are so rare and if so does this make them usefull though or just an under used trophy ?

someone please enlighten me

.

 

[Lasher]

He's so cool he even owns it :p :hehe: yep, he owns Cool.com !!!

....and music.tv - MP3.tv - ibiza.com - Dj.net - i.net ...oh and MEDIA.com !!!

I would hate to imagine what Media.com alone is worth ! any guesses ?

www.fma.com

Check this out for a portfolio, and this is by no means a complete list:

search.com, tv.com, radio.com, help.com, tunes.com, mp3.com, freeware.com, news.com, computers.com, browser.com, online.com, browsers.com, builder.com, downloads.com, uploads.com, future.com, labs.com, shopper.com, welcome.com.

All owned by Cnet. *Drool*

 

[VURG]

I can't get my head around the whole LLL.com thing to be honest

I can only really see the actual value in them as acronyms for company names etc (big value) but - why do people that have loads of money and will not ever sell them want them so much ?

Yes the may get alot of traffic but does that traffic actually convert to clicks ?

Just how would anyone know what they were looking for in order to have decent ads for them to click on ?

Are they valuable only because they are so rare and if so does this make them usefull though or just an under used trophy ?

someone please enlighten me

.

The big thing about a 3 letter domain is it is easy to remember. What I consider significant about this is that an easy to remember name results in a higher response rate to an advertising campaign as the market that you advertise to is less likely to forget who advertised to them.

Lets say you are a company and your marketing costs for the next 3 years are expected to be $20 million. Typically your market has a response rate of 0.7% if you use a hard to remember name and 0.6% if you use a hard to remember name. Now if that $20 million brings in $30 million in revenue (after sales costs) with a 0.6% response rate how much revenue would a 0.7% response rate bring?

$35 million. An increase of $5 million. It doesn't stop there there is now an extra $5 million to reinvest. This has an exponential effect on the effectiveness of marketing business for the life of the business. The higher response rate in marketing would definately means for example the domain name is worth millions.

You may think that this is quite extreme but I don't. I know of one group who call themselves KFC when they used to call themselves "Kentucky Fried Chicken". I know of another group who call themselves NAB when they used to call themselves "National Australia Bank". I know of other cases as well. This act of a large company reinventing themselves to their 3 letter acronym name often costs the company tens or hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars. In hindsite they realise the lost business they have because their name is easily forgotten.

It's not just reponse rate in marketing. It's maintaining customers as well. A company can lose very good customers just because they have a complex business name. It's not just forgetting, you can lose a customer to a spelling mistake. This is extremely frustrating with email addresses. You tell a customer your email address over the phone and they put in one letter wrong and get upset at you for not responding.

$3500 is nothing to a lot of companies and a lot of wealthy people. Increased response rate in marketing is often a lot bigger consideration in the value of a three letter domain than type-in traffic. Many investors are happy to wait for the $XXX,XXX+ offers because there is a good chance that with enough time, somebody will be willing to pay that. In addition the competition between LLL.com investors to own large collections is growing and giving steady growth in values of the domains.

 

[gazzip]

I can only really see the actual value in them as acronyms for company names etc (big value)

but -

why do people that have loads of money and will not ever sell them want them so much ?

.............................................

Great post Vurg I do realise the value of them regarding SELLING to end users/businesses and the benefits of a short easy to remember domain when it comes to marketing but alot of the people that have thousands of LLL 's eg. Elequa state that they are NOT FOR SALE and so few ever get developed.

I just question how a random LLL.com can be suitably monetised for domain parking - as you would basically have no idea what the person is looking for.

They cost alot to buy but do they produce a good return in PPC ?

Thanks, Rep added


.

 

[VURG]

They cost alot to buy but do they produce a good return in PPC ?

Most of them don't. That's what a lot of people find confusing. PPC income is money in your hand while potential for income is very risky. Personally, I usually don't buy domains for PPC income and so I tend to find PPC more confusing.

 

[snoop]

Random acronyms do very poorly generally in terms of revenue per visitor. Having a targeted page up also often involves great legal risk, eg nra.net, wes.com.

Alot of the market for three letters (in terms of what domainers are holding) is just people collecting them much like people collect stamps and coins, however that is probably quiet sustainable though. The chance of them ever finding an enduser is low for the poor quality ones.

support[at]moniker.com 509 $1,781,500

that is moniker's privacy service.

 

[zestydomains*com]

Hello all,

3 letter domians certainly have their backers and their detractors. On the reseller end, prices have advanced quite strongly over the last 5 years, as more LLL.com's fall into end user's hands, and fewer remain available in the wholesale marketplace. (These end users are companies/individuals who purchase the domains for specific reasons with no intention to resell, and even elequa's ownership qualifies as end-user hands as he is adament that he will not sell his many LLL.com domains).

The intrigue in LLL.com domains comes in really three important benefits (among others also). First of all is the value of acronyms in business and society. Acronyms run the business scene and businesses and society are inventing new acronyms all the time (see wii and tmx for example). Any LLL.com owner could be owning the next big acronym for which their values can go through the roof, or even own a domain with multiple current acronyms that may find new favor and applications and higher value.

Secondly, supply is both limited and shrinking. There are only 17,576 possible LLL combos, and a huge number of these combos are already in end-user hands. The remaining number are spread among a limited number of owners, whose incentive to sell is widely varied. Almost daily end-users are buying from these remaining domains and often paying very high prices to get them.

Third, LLL.com domains all have type-in traffic of various levels. They can be monetized for their owners while they wait to one day sell and provide a dividend in the meantime. Here a comparison to stocks is quite appropriate. LLL.coms are quite a liquid investment, easy to sell on the market and pay various "dividends/revenue" based on their own unique and inherent traffic and traffic type.

All these factors (among others) contribute to continued increases in prices in the marketplace, and may also provide insight into why some investors are well invested in the LLL.com scene.

Finally, with average wholesale prices for LLL.com's consistently rising at about 5%-7% a month, few investments have compared over the last 5 years, and the future seems to show little reason why this growth rate will not continue or possibly even increase. All investments have risk, but LLL.coms have been about the most stable performers in domaining (along with clearly generic .com domains)...and certainly a fun hobby for many.

Great thread,
zesty

 

[harpo]

great work fonz thankyou maybe we could have the LLL.infos next?????

 

[fonzie_007]

great work fonz thankyou maybe we could have the LLL.infos next?????

Anyone want to sponsor this search for LLL.info? These scan and analysis takes quite a bit of time...

 

[Lasher]

Do you use DRT? Very easy and quick to do with that..

 

[harpo]

i will sponsor again, pm sent.................could i have the rights to use the info for my website?
your time and results are much appreciated on this side, as more light shines into this area more awareness is known Thankyou............................
and your interpretation of the results too...
Aloha Paul


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