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DropCatch destroys & reset original registration date of domains

Located in Drop Catchers and Expired Domain Services, started by namesquare, Aug 7, 2020

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  1. namesquare

    namesquare Top Contributor VIP Trusted Contest Holder

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    I don't really like using dropcatch but much of the time, they're able to capture great domains; however, when they do, they completely destroy the domains original registration date, versus another dropcatch such as namejet or snapnames. Why is this? Once the original registration date is gone, it's gone forever.

    I just don't understand why whenever they capture a domain, the registration date is reset.

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  2. NameDeck

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    Because the domain actually drops and they 'handregister' it again. Same as with any dropped domain you would re-register yourself.
     
  3. namesquare

    namesquare Top Contributor VIP Trusted Contest Holder

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    Do you think that's truly the case, or is there a reason why this happens? I would think a backorder/drop catch service that maintains the original registration date would get priority. Someone can backorder the domain with many backorder services but dropcatch would be given the opportunity to hand-register versus namejet or snapnames grabbing it before it fully drops?
     
  4. NameDeck

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    Yes, that is what happens when you backorder a domain. On any venue you try. If you want to purchase expired domains that will keep their original registration date you will have to look into expired domain auctions, closeouts etc. Those domains don't actually drop if people bid on it but will be renewed and sold to the highest bidder by the registrar.

    Backorders always drop, and the registration date gets reset as basically it's a new registration.
     
  5. jmcc

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    A dropcaught domain name is different from a domain name that's just been moved to a backorder/auction site. It has gone through the full domain name lifecycle and has been deleted and reregistered. It is effectively a new registration.

    https://archive.icann.org/en/registrars/gtld-lifecycle.jpg

    Regards...jmcc
     
  6. namesquare

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    If there are backorders set (individuals set to acquire the domain) especially through namejet, why not just push expiring domains to auction instead of having them completely drop for hand-register. What you're saying is there are two types of domains; however, don't all expiring domains go through the same process of expiration? I've seen domains with 20+ backorders on namejet, but dropcatch caught it.

    To clarify, dropcatch only deals in these types of domains? They don't bather protecting the integrity of the original registration date?
     
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  7. namesquare

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    If I am understanding this right, a domain that's been registered for 10+ years has been through the course of it's lifecycle and will be deleted and re-registered? How does that explain other domains that I've acquired through namejet and godaddy auctions that are 20+ years old?
     
  8. jmcc

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    Some of the registrars have deals with these auction sites to move their expired domain names to the auction site after the registrant fails to renew. It short-circuits the lifecycle in that the domain name is never deleted and it keeps the original registration date.

    Some auction sites will use a combination of dropcatch domain names and domain names that have been transferred in from their partners. There are about 2,500 ICANN accredited registrars and many of these are actually drop catch registrars rather than retail registars.

    Regards...jmcc
     
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  9. jmcc

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    This is the ICANN list of registrars:
    https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accreditation-qualified-list.html

    As can be seen from the common e-mail addresses and registrar owners, there are hundreds of drop catch registrars and that's just for Dropcatch.com. Netsol and Dynadot have their own drop catch registrars. It is still a big business but some of the larger players who used to effectively catch the entire day's drop on some gTLDs are no longer active (that particular horror story is covered in the free pages of the Domnomics book on Amazon) or have scaled back their operations. A few large players effectively dominate the drop catch market now.

    ICANN had introduced the whole expiry process to protect registrants. Before that the domain names were just deleted if they were not renewed. That's how Frank Schilling, Yun Ye and a lot of others managed to get good domain names. Snapnames had effectively pioneered drop catching as a service. But even it was overtaken. The registrars gradually did deals to shift their expired inventory to auction sites. It is effectively more money for registrars and very much against the spirit of the whole domain name lifecycle process.

    The reason that the dropcatchers have so many registrars is because each registrar has a number of direct connections to the registry. The more connections, the higher the chance of the dropcatcher's registrars catching an expiring domain name. This is a business where milliseconds matter and it has effectively frozen ordinary domainers out of the business of drop catching. It used to be possible to catch deleting domain names back in the day but any domain name with traffic or a good website backlinks profile will either go to auction or be dropcaught. The good ones that are missed sometimes have no previous website or were parked or on holding pages.

    Regards...jmcc
     
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  10. blogspotter

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    You can't drop catch a domain until it is dropped or deleted, meaning the the registration date gets reset by default, which is why Godaddy Auction domains always go for a lot higher than Dropcatch/Namejet for non -domainer domains names with back link profiles.

    This is also why a lot of SEOs are confused why some dropped domains work and some don't despite having similar TF/RD etc

    For premium domains in the domaining market and not (backlink profile domains), the pricing is still similar
     

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