UDRP DRLL.com loses a UDRP to DELL.com

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The domain DRLL.com was registered in 1998, and now Dell has claimed it via the UDRP process.

Visually, the two domains DRLL.com and DELL.com are 75% identical, but what’s more important is how Drll.com was used as a parked domain, taking advantage of the proximity of letters “E” and “R” on the keyboard.

Apparently, Drll.com forwarded to an Amazon affiliate page extracting results for Dell products. That seems to have triggered the wrath of the computer manufacturing giant.

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This doesn't make any sense. If I own ThisIsMyDomain.com which goes to Amazon affiliate page extracting results for Dell products and in this case I am in the clear BUT when I own DRLL.com I am not?

It's not dell.net or dell.org or dell.cc it's drll.com. DELL has no claim/copyright whatsoever on these words DRLL. What if my domain means Direct and Relational Landing Leads which goes to Amazon affiliate page extracting results for Dell products, then what? May be add a mix of HP products too.
 
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thanks for sharing
 
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So, does it mean that Dell can claim infringement to the owners of sell.com well.com rell.com delk.com delp.com delo.com etc? Does BA.com infringe on BP.com or is it vise versa? How about EA.com and AA.com?
 
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I said this earlier, but just to express my opinion re precedent-setting a bit more fully. This decision says that the domain name drll is confusingly similar to the TM Dell. To support this they invoke the visual test of writing the two side by side and note a single precedent case, that of the domain name OmahaStecks with the TM OmahaSteaks.

To me this is a huge broadening of the interpretation, saying that precedent from 2015 (also in an uncontested UDRP with no response from the domain owner) establishes the grounds is highly concerning. Yes they each involve a single letter change but in one case a long two-word domain name with a very specific non-generic half compared to this 4L case that could be a creative spelling or an acronym for many things.

While there are always many precedents, but each time a UDRP panel or panelist widens the interpretation we should, as domain investors be concerned. This tends to happen in cases when no response is made. Now as part of the record, a future UDRP panel will be able to cite the decision that DRLL is confusingly similar to DELL.

"Respondent’s <drll.com> Domain Name is confusingly similar to Complainant’s DELL mark. It incorporates a misspelled version of Complainant’s mark, merely substituting the letter “e” with an “r” and adding the gTLD “.com.” These changes do not distinguish the Domain Name from Complainant’s mark for the purposes of Policy ¶ 4(a)(i). Omaha Steaks International, Inc. v. DN Manager / Whois-Privacy.Net Ltd, FA 1610122 (Forum July 9, 2015) (“The domain name differs from the mark only in that the domain name substitutes the letter ‘a’ in the word ‘steak’ with the letter ‘c’ and adds the generic Top Level Domain (‘gTLD’) ‘.com.’ These alterations of the mark, made in forming the domain name, do not save it from the realm of confusing similarity under the standards of the Policy.”). The WIPO Overview 3.0 at ¶ 1.7, states that the test for confusing similarity “typically involves a side-by-side comparison of the domain name and the textual components of the relevant trademark to assess whether the mark is recognizable within the domain name.” Notwithstanding the changes described above, Complainant’s mark is clearly recognizable within the Domain Name, and this establishes its confusing similarity to Complainant’s mark."
Links:
The DRLL decision
The OmahaStecks decision
 
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But Bob, This alone would have NOT resulted in a judgement in favor of the Plaintiff. This was not the 'Be all' of the judgement. It was only one of the 'three' elements proved. And would not have held the weight you seem to assign to it on it's own. You seem to have latched onto the ' similar' element. However it was judged to be Confusingly similar with Intent and intended Gain. A whole different ball-game

I appreciate (Well lets just say, I can see) what your trying to bring to the fore in your repeated posts. Let me do a little amusing Analogy to your posts.

Man gets convicted of Murder - Prosecution stated, "he had the victims blood on his hands". Now you come along and say 'Perhaps' we can't help victims of any crime because this man was convicted because he had blood on his hands.

But, The prosecution also stated the accused DNA was also found on the knife siting by the roadside also with the blood of the victim on it. Secondly, we also have video footage of him 'lunging' at the victim before he collapsed and died.

I'm a little bit lost on why you keep focusing on one element of the judgement Was you planning on creating a Blog thread on the challenges of holding similar domains and looking for ammunition ?
 
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I will add, I acknowledge your four-letter element concern. But what are the panelists supposed to do, ignore four letter domains, Make three letters strictly out of bounds also. Why not push it to five letters. I think your loosing sight of what a 'Reasonable' person may well have similarly concluded given all the circumstances. Sure the panelists have to give a written judgement satisfying at least 'three elements' perhaps they would've done better being more wordy on the other elements, But the bedrock was the typo element (ASCII Layout) alongside the Judged intent.

Lets not forget the defendant pretty much put forward a Plea of 'No defense' by not even submitting a written statement. He/she may have just had second thoughts about Dell going for a pursuing action, if they were so inclined. Sure some factual figures would've been required but they wouldn't have been too hard to unearth. I'm sure Amazon would've played ball
 
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What if my domain means Direct and Relational Landing Leads
I am not a legal expert, obviously :xf.wink:, but my reading of the part of judgement re that element is if you indeed operated a company with that name and which used the DRLL abbreviation for your business the UDRP would have failed.

The judgement points out that there is no obvious relationship to name or nickname or company name of respondent (who did not provide response). I suspect a clever lawyer could argue that it meant DrLL with LL having some meaning like you propose, if they had any evidence even of informal use of that name.

Had there been legitimate use of name, even though the panel considered DRLL and Dell confusingly similar (in over-reaching error in my opinion), the UDRP would have failed.

As @xynames points out, an important point is that the domain owner did not respond, and therefore none of the points challenged.

Bob
 
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I may be wrong on this. But, when it was pointing to Dell products in the Amazon marketplace, it was increasing Dell's popularity and presence, and who might know, many people might have bought Dell's products through Amazon using his link, which means good business to Dell. And he was getting his share on affiliate sales. All the 3 parties involved should be happy. I don't understand what made Dell be so upset about it.
 
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I may be wrong on this. But, when it was pointing to Dell products in the Amazon marketplace, it was increasing Dell's popularity and presence, and who might know, many people might have bought Dell's products through Amazon using his link, which means good business to Dell. And he was getting his share on affiliate sales. All the 3 parties involved should be happy. I don't understand what made Dell be so upset about it.

It also showed competing products, that is why dell won the case.
 
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The first thing I see in the word actually is drill but without the i.

Totally agree with you Bob. When I saw this name for the first time I was thinking about «DRILL». I don't see anything wrong with the name. I don't have any product in mind when I read it. I guess the problem comes from what the owner did with it. Definitely not a good move. It is like trying to make a profit from Apple products with name «APPL» which can also means «APPEAL». Just don't play with it would be a good idea.
 
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I may be wrong on this. But, when it was pointing to Dell products in the Amazon marketplace, it was increasing Dell's popularity and presence, and who might know, many people might have bought Dell's products through Amazon using his link, which means good business to Dell. And he was getting his share on affiliate sales. All the 3 parties involved should be happy. I don't understand what made Dell be so upset about it.
While what you say makes common sense, and I agree, that is not how the UDRP rules and precedents view it. It does seem strange, that after doing nothing for year after year, they launched this. I suspect there was some reason we do not fully know.

Re your point that they make money off it so what is the problem, it was set up, allegedly, so that at least now and then it went to a Dell affiliate page and at other times a competitor page (HP). However the ruling pointed out that even if it went always and only to the complainant (Dell) site it still would not constitute legitimate use unless Dell controlled it.
"Likewise, using a confusingly similar Domain Name in a manner over which a complainant has no control does not qualify as a bona fide offering of goods or services for the purposes of Policy ¶ 4(c)(i) or as a legitimate noncommercial or fair use for the purposes of Policy ¶ 4(c)(iii), even if it resolves to the complainant’s own web site."
(i.e. pointing a domain name to a TM holders site does not amount to legitimate use of the domain name).

Just to review the 3 requirements of any UDRP.
(1) the Domain Name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which Complainant has rights; and
(2) Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the Domain Name; and
(3) the Domain Name has been registered and is being used in bad faith.
In this case the decision is that (1) was satisfied because DRLL is confusingly similar to Dell in their mind, citing as the precedent that OmahaSteaks (a TM) and OmahaStecks.com (a domain) were confusingly similar. So the new precedent that future panels can use is that DRLL and Dell are confusingly similar.

In the case of (2) the panelist decided, as other previous UDRP panels have, that by not responding to the UDRP that the condition for (2) was met essentially without any further proof. Incidentally, to my knowledge there is no confirmation that the notice even got to the domain holder. Was he away for an extended period? In a medical emergency? etc. for the 20 days? The notice was sent by email and post. There could be bona fide reasons for no response, and at least one other UDRP moved a domain name when in fact the 18 year long owner had never received the notice due to world travel and an old email address (after a legal battle the courts reversed that decision). Now it is probable that he just saw it as hopeless but I do not think any of us know that.

So that left (3) registered and used in bad faith. The discussion there is very long, and although UDRP have 4 ways it might be proven, that is a non-exclusive list so essentially panels have some freedom. While arguing that some of the ways of looking at it were not bad faith, in the end they argued that at the time of registration the similarity must have been known, partly supported by the fact that at least occasionally it directed people to Dell or its competitors. From what is in the written report it is not clear to me at least whether the direction to Dell and competitors came from a deliberate setting that as forwarding or simply sometimes the professional parking that was employed for years naturally directed visitors to those sites. It is not clear that more than one case of each was proven, although there probably were many more. It shows the danger of parking that you do not control where the ads may take the person.

I am sorry to write at such length but there was earlier complaint that I was focussing on one of the three factors.
I'm a little bit lost on why you keep focusing on one element of the judgement
The reason I do that is it seems to me going from OmahaSteaks case to DRLL was a huge change in precedent that any UDRP panel going forward can cite. It is something domain owners should at least take notice of. The other two elements in this case (no response means 2 is proven and targeted ads are bad faith) seemed in so many other previous cases that I did not see the need to write much about them. Anyway, that is my answer.

It seems to me that there is a steady rise in UDRP cases per year. While one might interpret this as more domain names or more abuse of domain names, another interpretation is that each time a UDRP panel widens an interpretation it leads to more cases that would not otherwise come forward.

Just as the BCG case earlier this year (a URS rather than UDRP strictly speaking) seemed a huge widening of interpretation, that other domain bloggers wrote about at the time, this seems a similar case to me. I do accept as a good point the argument made by @BaileyUK that there should not be a firm line in number of characters to be exempt.
But what are the panelists supposed to do, ignore four letter domains, Make three letters strictly out of bounds also. Why not push it to five letters.
To me the two words DRLL and Dell are not similar enough, but clearly the panelist decided otherwise.

Bob
 
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He lost because he didn’t fight it. He had little or no control over the parking ads. I’ve seen situations where the ads are being paid for by the very company that sent the “Cease and Desist!” A simple PPC landing page isn’t enough by itself to show bad faith use of the domain. Most of you are making the wrong conclusion from the result, a posteriori.

But, if this result makes you fearful of creating landing pages for your domains with or without PPC that just leaves less competition for those of us that aren’t afraid.
All PPC on parked pages show competing products, that's the point of targeted marketing.

Anyway, there are those who fear parking their domains with PPC ads, and fear even landing pages...can't help 'em...and those who do not have such unfounded fears, and go about their business which is the business of maximizing parking revenues and selling domains. These two activities need not work against each other.
 
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I think there are many typo and same pronunciation English words.
What I see is two words doesn’t sound similar.
DRLL and DELL.
If this type of typo is under scanner,then there may b many to come.
Just my opinion,not an expert though
Thanks
DpakH
 
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Back in the day, probably till 2012 or 2013 Amazon commissions used to be quite exceptional.

If someone went to Amazon.com through your referral, your cookie would be in his browser for next seven days. So whatever he bought during that time, you would get commission. There were people who marketed small birthday gifts, got commissions for huge products like diamond rings etc. I am sure he have made much more than $100 a month during that period.

Also, the traffic he got to his website drll.com was very targeted one who were looking to buy, so I am sure conversion rate must be much higher(above 10-15%?).

His current Alexa rank is 3,725,040. I am wondering he would be getting much more traffic when browsers weren't this smart and people used to type in the URL instead of using Google.
 
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I'd say based on my many years of experience with typos this domain made way more than $100 per month.

I had one that generated over $30k over it's lifetime and I worked with a guy who had an even better typo that made over $90k per month.

I'd guess this typo made over $1 million but of course I could be wrong.
 
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I'd guess this typo made over $1 million but of course I could be wrong.

Brad, seriously?

And it's raining dollars, let me go outside and pick some up. :xf.laugh:

PS. If that were the case the owner would have fought like hell to keep the domain.
 
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Thanks for your shari
 
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