.tv DOT TV valuable?

[Roo78]

I hear from different people that .tv's aren't valuable at all. In fact they're a waste of money. As advertising increases, popularity will also increase, but is the market for .tv to buy and sell, or develop.

Why do I see a lot of people selling names consistantly for 10k-25k?

Some of these names don't seem to be Premium at all.

Any advice....I already own some really good names but don't know whether to develop them or just sell them all.

 

[snoop]

I hear from different people that .tv's aren't valuable at all. In fact they're a waste of money. As advertising increases, popularity will also increase, but is the market for .tv to buy and sell, or develop.

Why do I see a lot of people selling names consistantly for 10k-25k?

Some of these names don't seem to be Premium at all.

Any advice....I already own some really good names but don't know whether to develop them or just sell them all.

I can't actually recall anyone saying that ".tv's aren't valuable at all", some are valuable, some aren't. In general though I would say most of the premium's that have been registered are worth nothing when high reg fees are factored in and overall .tv has seen much lower growth than the market average.

.TV is a fairly popular extension terms of use and is quite well reconised by the public in my view. But I would say it is one of the worst extension for speculation due to the high reg fees both on non-premiums and premiums, the vast majority of the profit is going to the registry. As far as names consisently selling above 10k, dnjournal has reported 6 sales of 10k or more so far this year compared to perhaps 1000 names above 10k in total.

 

[dcmike77]

Many domain name professionals have shyed away from .tv because it has "special pricing" that the .coms/.nets/.orgs/ etc don't have (such as high-renewal costs and inability to transfer). This has kept prices relatively low.

However, the exposure .tv is getting in the mainstream/consumer media is quickly causing it to become the second most popular domain to .com.

It's interesting that businesses are taking note before many domain investors in this case (this is backwards for .coms) so appraisals and sales are all over the map.


I hope that helps.

 

[TheWatcher]

If you havent read my blog about the 2007 sale of .TV go check it http://emil.king.net to see the stats. The numbers speak for itself.

If you are referring to other forum, that's only one side of the story becuase they don't invest in .TV who cares.

I hear from different people that .tv's aren't valuable at all. In fact they're a waste of money. As advertising increases, popularity will also increase, but is the market for .tv to buy and sell, or develop.

Why do I see a lot of people selling names consistantly for 10k-25k?

Some of these names don't seem to be Premium at all.

Any advice....I already own some really good names but don't know whether to develop them or just sell them all.

 

[Dr. Mindwrecker]

Who is saying .tv isnt valuable?

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

You missed the window to make a quick flip on .tv, if your goal is short term buying/selling. There are still opportunities but they are few an far between. My personal opinion is that you should consider investing/developing for the long haul.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Many domain name professionals have shyed away from .tv because it has "special pricing" that the .coms/.nets/.orgs/ etc don't have (such as high-renewal costs and inability to transfer). This has kept prices relatively low.

However, the exposure .tv is getting in the mainstream/consumer media is quickly causing it to become the second most popular domain to .com.

It's interesting that businesses are taking note before many domain investors in this case (this is backwards for .coms) so appraisals and sales are all over the map.


I hope that helps.

Excellent analysis! .The future is .tv! You said it perfectly: It's interesting that businesses are taking note before many domain investors .
Except for us here at Namepros! You .commers better jump aboard while you can! v :yell:

Frank

 

[smashfactory]

hey roo!

non-premium .tv's are higher than com at godaddy, yes- but i have yet to pay godaddys 34.99 standard price. coms used to be the same thing, and in time, came down. someone usually running a special, and me.tv is 24.99. use godaddy codes too. there is always a way to save money.

there are at the moment more .cc's regged than .tv's, and they are 19.99- no one ever squalks about that tho. in fact, according to godaddys chart, a com at enom is 29.95, and at register.com is 35.00. thats more than i pay for my tv's. its all relative, so i am not sure why people keep bringing this point up. people dont research. some non-premiums have sold for nice profits.

premiums- well, they are premium, and they are expensive. we all know this. and?
if you want one of them, you have to pay out the nose. at the moment, most of the prime premiums are still there- and .tv developers are just working around that. blip.tv is certainly not premium, and they are doing just fine. many companies are starting to use .tv, and not opting for the premiums. its a real simple answer on the premiums- just dont buy one. to say it is the reason the whole .tv extension will falter lacks sense.

a premium gets you type ins- well, the only extension for type ins is com anyways. so it is really irrelevant. if you dont have a com, you need to develop- in any extension. just dont buy a premium. who cares if it sits? i mean think about it. only one persaon can own Candy.com, right? and if he isnt selling, well, you cant buy it. that doesnt stop you, does it? neither should business.tv being $500,000.00. has nothing to do with you or me- i cant buy business.com, i cant buy business.tv- big whoop. call the press- the internet is coming to a halt.
all silly stuff.

and- .tv just reinvented itself. like, in may of this year. lacking big sales? of course we are. did i expect huuuuuuuuge sales and profits in just several months? um, no. thats just crazy thinking. you cant have a party if the hall is not finished being built. lets be realistic.

my husband works for a large retailer. recently they put up a store in a very slow area. i asked why would they do that and not go build near a busier area, a more popular area if you will. he explained that often times, a retailer will build in an area that shows a trend of growth. will they rock sales the first few months? no way. but in the coming years, they will grow, customer by customer.

the trend for the internet is obvious- video, internet tv. the .tv extension caters to that trend. can another extension do that too? of course it can. but so can .tv.

walmart is the number one retailer in the world. can you go there for sports equipment? yes, you can. but, there are enough people who go to sports authority and dicks sporting goods because the better cater to that genre.

.tv is growing and building right now. you can choose to get on the train, or stand at the station. right now, as that train passes slowly passes the station, it is real easy to read those signs that are held up saying dont buy .tv.

but as that train gets faster, they will pretty much be a blur

good luck roo!

 

[lzy]

Wow smashfactory! I'm really inspired. :hehe:

PS: MissTelevision's not very pretty undeveloped. (hint hint) :hehe:

 

[smashfactory]

Wow smashfactory! I'm really inspired. :hehe:

PS: MissTelevision's not very pretty undeveloped. (hint hint) :hehe:

pal.tv first! am working on that one now- but i do have a fabulous plan for Miss Television!

 

[TheWatcher]

smash for .TV president.

Well said!

 

[snoop]

there are at the moment more .cc's regged than .tv's, and they are 19.99- no one ever squalks about that tho. in fact, according to godaddys chart, a com at enom is 29.95, and at register.com is 35.00. thats more than i pay for my tv's. its all relative, so i am not sure why people keep bringing this point up. people dont research. some non-premiums have sold for nice profits.

When was the last time you heard of domain speculators paying $35 for .com registrations? As for .cc nobody squalks because it is very rare person who would argue this is a particularly good extension.

to say it is the reason the whole .tv extension will falter lacks sense.

Who is saying the whole .tv extension will falter?

a premium gets you type ins- well, the only extension for type ins is com anyways.

Not true, major country codes (.co.uk, .de etc), .net .org, these are extensions with type in traffic.

if you dont have a com, you need to develop- in any extension.

Not true, there is lots of different options such as resale and parking. Development is just one option.

did i expect huuuuuuuuge sales and profits in just several months? um, no. thats just crazy thinking. you cant have a party if the hall is not finished being built. lets be realistic.

Other domain investors have seen "huge" profits over the last few years which I don't believe .tv has seen. So for how many years will .tv speculators keep paying those high holding costs, how long until you expect the hall to be finished?

the trend for the internet is obvious- video, internet tv. the .tv extension caters to that trend. can another extension do that too? of course it can. but so can .tv.

Right but those extensions have fixed costs that are a fraction of .tv.

 

[antonis12]

Look, snoop is right about holding costs. They are far higher in this TLD, especially for premiums.

You should view them as a form of financing. Depending on what assumptions you use, if you register a premium with a $500 annual fee, it is as if you paid $3,000 to $6,000 for the domain and were given automatic financing from Verisign. (depending on your assumptions, using 6x to 12x renewal fees as a proxy for the "registry price" is reasonable)

The same is true for non-premiums. At $30/yr vs. $7/yr that is at the difference between a $180 to $360 "registry purchase price" for a .tv and $42 to $84 "registry purchase price" for a .com.

I find that doing this conversion makes .tv easier to compare with .com and gives you a clearer eye for making decisions. Particularly a few years ago, there were some real values in the pricing structure, even taking this into account. Now, in unregged names, it is not as true. There are plenty of $500 premium regs that are worse names than a $3000 to $6000 .com purchase. On the other hand, when you find a good value, the "automatic financing" aspect of it allows you into a bigger name than you could get otherwise.

Finally, it is hard to justify the prices of the super-premiums. A $250K/yr domain is basically being priced at $1.5M to $3.0M which is up in premium .com territory. In a case like this, snoop is 100% right - the registry is capturing all the potential value in the name.

So there is plenty of opportunity but you have to be careful...

 

[snoop]

Look, snoop is right about holding costs. They are far higher in this TLD, especially for premiums.

You should view them as a form of financing. Depending on what assumptions you use, if you register a premium with a $500 annual fee, it is as if you paid $3,000 to $6,000 for the domain and were given automatic financing from Verisign. (depending on your assumptions, using 6x to 12x renewal fees as a proxy for the "registry price" is reasonable)

The same is true for non-premiums. At $30/yr vs. $7/yr that is at the difference between a $180 to $360 "registry purchase price" for a .tv and $42 to $84 "registry purchase price" for a .com.

I find that doing this conversion makes .tv easier to compare with .com and gives you a clearer eye for making decisions. Particularly a few years ago, there were some real values in the pricing structure, even taking this into account. Now, in unregged names, it is not as true. There are plenty of $500 premium regs that are worse names than a $3000 to $6000 .com purchase. On the other hand, when you find a good value, the "automatic financing" aspect of it allows you into a bigger name than you could get otherwise.

Finally, it is hard to justify the prices of the super-premiums. A $250K/yr domain is basically being priced at $1.5M to $3.0M which is up in premium .com territory. In a case like this, snoop is 100% right - the registry is capturing all the potential value in the name.

So there is plenty of opportunity but you have to be careful...

Yes I agree it could be viewed as a form of financing, though perhaps a key difference is the finance can never actually be paid off, and I'm guessing in time the size of the repayments will rise (ie 10 years from now). 12X etc is probably about right in terms of having money invested somewhere enough to pay the renewal fees in perpituity on the assumption that reg fees don't rise.

I personally think it might be more like paying the rent (you never really own the asset you just have rights to use it as long as you keep making your payments). Perhaps the resale of a premium is more like renting something then hoping to sublease in the hope those rental payments rise in the broader market so the lease has some capital value. Obviously a strategy that would generally only work in a strong market unlesss you can find something with lease payments that are below market value.