.tv Dot TV is The Country Code of Tuvalu

[HeyNow]

Just remember that, according to ICANN, .tv stands for .Tuvalu, and not "television." The mods here think they are doing y'all (and perhaps themselves) a favor by deleting posts reminding you of that fact, but that's really no favor. Eventually ICANN's roster of ccTLDs will be taught in public schools (it's probably already begun), and when it is, the pretend meaning of "television" will eventually vaporize, leaving late speculators holding many reg-fee only domains.

Also, the last time I checked the government of Tuvalu only leased the rights to Verisign for about $4million per year, so at some point the marketing ploy of "television" may be revealed for exactly what it is - a marketing ploy.

And of course if Tuvalu becomes an important country because of geopolitical dynamics, war, natural disaster, or one of many reasons, it will most likely want its ccTLD back for serious use as was intended.

Currently most participants here who dabble with .tv turn a blind eye to what I consider a certain eventuality. And until that eventuality hits, lots of coin will be made trading in this ccTLD with vapor-marketing meaning.
Does the ccTLD .ws (dot "website") ring a bell? It should.

 

[DU]

This "idiot" will point out your spelling shortcomings, such as "vaporises."

When pointing out someone's spelling shortcomings through example, it generally helps if the example is actually a spelling error. If you're not careful, we may just ascribe a your mistake to a total lack of understanding about the use of -ise and -ize in different cultures, or worse, assume that you are an "idiot". I presume that the quotes have a purpose so I will include them too - so as not to be appear a simple unquoted idiot.

For the record, in the UK, one would find vaporise is the more common term despite the original root coming from Latin.

Of course your fictional post

You may also want to look at your own sentence structures before making a point of talking about his shortcomings. I'm pretty sure that his post is not fictional as I can see it and read it.

you and that other twit "DU" would have been banned by now for bashing others and use of slurs.

I have bashed others in this forum, and usually I've apologized (or is that apologised, oh I'm so confused); however, in this thread I've done nothing but strongly defended your right not to be called an epithet (I won't use the actual word as I do understand the use of it does distress you).
I certainly have not bashed you unless you've somehow read something unintentional (or is that fictional?) into my posts.

well the OP is right, and there is no disputing that - .TV is NOT for television
in disguise or otherwise it is/was and always will be for marketing and sales and of course promotion of self [not this self]
however....regardless of personal views, and attacks on forum members [cough - hello mods]
it is for Tuvalu but as domainers and adults, have we really not moved past this shit?
everyone has an opinion - respect it!

I humbly and respectfully disagree with what I think you're implying

It is true that .TV is the top level country code that has been assigned to Tuvalu and, as per common practice, it was based on the country code of Tuvalu as defined by the ISO standards, namely TV. I would not dispute that.

Administrative control for all domains of the type .TV has been delegated to Tuvalu by IANA. I would not dispute that.

There is nothing that says ".TV" means something and cannot mean anything else. Tuvalu recognized that there is value in .TV and has chosen to open up registrations in a global/open and non-restrictive manner for anyone to use how they want. It makes sense that the association of .TV to Television is made because it's clear and obvious and Tuvalu has reaped some rewards from this association.

.TV is just the designated name of the country code top level domain that has been assigned to Tuvalu. There is no disguise, there is no covert secret going on here. Let me be clear: .TV doesn't *mean* Tuvalu. .TV is the ccTLD that has been delegated to Tuvalu for administration and control.

The argument that .TV is and means Tuvalu is specious. No one says that you can't operate a charity site on a .com or a commercial venture on a .org - because there is nothing to stop you from doing so. There is a benefit to building your site on the appropriate extension because of the association that people make (not based on any real definition but an understood association). .TV is exactly the same - there's nothing to stop you having a site that's all text or a forum on a .TV but you don't benefit from a natural association. If you are a TV production company, a studio, or have video production channels, or provide rich media content etc. you can benefit from the association of .TV. To be sure, the link between TV and Television is not a weak force, it's an incredibly strong force. There's no guessing that TV stands for Television like there is that ws stands for website, or im stands for instant messenger. TV has been television for years. This is the reason that you also see adoption of .io for younger companies - io is what io is, there's no guessing.

I believe that Television has broadened in concept with the converging technologies to be more than the box that shows some stations - it's a media distribution vehicle. My TV streams movies, plays games, etc. Not everyone buys into that level of convergence and I understand that. I would not argue that for some, TV is the old box with static and a fuzzy picture - but not everyone is my grandparents.

So let me summarize:

.TV doesn't mean Tuvalu.
.TV is assigned to Tuvalu for administration as they see fit (with IANA guidelines).
TV is television
Television is media distribution platform

Therfore, I am comfortable saying:

.TV and TV has an immediate and meaningful association.

I am not saying .TV means television. I am not saying .TV means Tuvalu. I'm saying .TV has an immediate media association. Period.
It really is that simple.

Let's put it into perspective.
Say I registered Code.Kitchen (which is a name I like and would have registered if it was available). Who is going to stand up and insist to that registrant the blatant disregard for the fact that it's a Dot Kitchen is bad? Say someone registered join.me? Who is going to stand up and insist that this is misappropriation of the .me? Say someone registered Ameri.ca ? Who's going to stand up and insist that this is a slight to all Canadians and a total misuse of the ccTLD?

No one. Why? Because it doesn't matter. Because it's irrelevant.

The extension doesn't actually mean anything other than the registrant and website owner wants it to mean. The ONLY relevant factor is that the administrative control does belong to the country - hence they are solely responsible (within IANA guidelines and contracts) for the terms and conditions of the registration and pricing but this is really no different from any of the new TLDs that are owned by private corporations and control their TLDS (within ICANN guidelines and contracts). Or more significantly, this is no different to CO.UK, .DE, .AU, .JP, .CA etc. unless someone knows something different.

I think I'm about done now. I can move on.

Note: There may be grammar or spelling issues in this post because I'm not a professional forum poster.

 

[donnied79]

 

[DnEbook]

No one is worried about your perceived abilities ……..it's just that you are repetitive troll that keeps on purposely trying to antagonise other forum members for your own amusement, i doubt any one on this forum would actually respect your views due to the way you act on a regular basis, you are wasting our time with troll tactics that show your real personality ….. hey there are .me and .co thread …go fetch …woof

 

[DU]

Too bad you missed my original post which merely offered congratulations to the seller and buyer for the golfen-dot-Tuvalu transaction. Nothing snarky, nothing negative, just positive energy about that sale. That post was deleted by the mods. Believe it or not.

I for one can't believe the mods deleted a post from someone at namepros with a reputation such as yours... ... and someone who so clearly isn't a complete dickwad douchebag. I think all posts should be allowed to stay from the excellent, to the good, to the bad, to the shit, and yours.

I don't suppose you were told this was going to happen? Maybe you forgot - maybe we should post repeated reminders in all these threads that you're not a twat.

 

[DU]

My post merely offered defense to you for the previous posts. Nothing snarky, nothing negative, just positive energy about your presence here. It would be sad if it was deleted.

As for the word twat. I was merely indicating that we should remind people not to use that term (not used as a reference to the vulva but in its more widely used form as a derogatory epithet) in describing you. You should feel welcome here. The same goes for dickwad and douchebag by the way.

Hope that clears things up. I will try as hard to protect you from harsh words as you do from people mistaking .TV for something it is not. You remind people that .TV is for an island in the pacific and I will remind people that you're not a knob end.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

I read in the Snowden reports that the name Tuvalu is secret CIA code for anything to do with the 'visual internet'.
Don't know if it's true, but I do know that Tuvalu has never had a man on the Moon - which, of course, means that they can't be trusted - especially with domain names - and Snowden himself only uses normal domain extensions - like .archi (not any of those cctld's like .ru .us .uk or .de which, frankly, we can all see will end up eventually vaporizing, leaving late speculators holding many reg-fee only domains)

Forget the idea that .tv are run from Verisign - who are also doing a bad job with .com (Which we all need to be reminded actually/technically/fundamentally stands for Commercial and/or Communist)

I also concur with the idea from DU that it's nice to remind people every now and then that the OP is not a TWAT

(Which I thought stood for Trouble With A Troll)







Seriously - last post from me on NP until this idiot vaporises.
We have a troll who accuses the (so far) very tolerant and neutral admins here of fraudulent activity for their own benefit - then accuses posters like DU of sexism because they use a word that sounds female - yet still don't get banned - while at the same time manages to pollute every single thread about stuff that is important/useful for those who have a genuine interest in .tv and internet TV.


Yes .tv stands for TUVALU - we get it - but other than the Troll everyone else on the planet knows in the real world it stands for TELEVISION.

 

[mis_chiff]

well the OP is right, and there is no disputing that - .TV is NOT for television
in disguise or otherwise
it is/was and always will be for marketing and sales and of course promotion of self [not this self]

however....regardless of personal views, and attacks on forum members [cough - hello mods]

it is for Tuvalu

but as domainers and adults, have we really not moved past this shit?
everyone has an opinion - respect it!

 

[forge]

but as domainers and adults, have we really not moved past this shit?
everyone has an opinion - respect it!

There's a big difference between having an opinion and hijacking others' threads and persisting with arguments that have nothing to do with the original post in order to set some sort of personal agenda.

Talk about respecting opinions.

 

[The New Guy]

I received an offer this week on a .TV domain from a Mexican company so obviously they could care less.

Stop kidding yourself. That Mexican company only wanted a .tv domain because they're setting up a branch in Tuvalu!

 

[Omar Ashraf]

I came across this YouTube video that talks about it, and it was really a surprise to me cuz I always thought .tv stands for television!

 

[The New Guy]

Trolls will troll. Had to show the hidden troll comments to find out the latest batch of spew..

When Tuvalu received $2.2 million per year it was 10% of their annual budget. Their revenue as a nation comes largely from licensing and 'grants' from other government organizations. Some of those grants are in danger of being reduced or eliminated (one just had to be extended), so they're not going to throw away millions of dollars of easy money every year.

Trying to insinuate that .tv is in danger of being taken back back by their government so they can use domains like golfen.tv for "serious business" is beyond ridiculous - it is close to a deliberate attempt to sabotage the domain and the investments NP members have made in it.

I really don't care what the troll does in other parts of the forum, but if he's going to come here and spread FUD for his own amusement or as the part of some personal vendetta against .tv domains he should be banned from this section. He adds nothing and pollutes everything he touches here.

 

[LinM]

>>"You state you are " ... glad 99% of domainers hate the extension, ...." You shouldn't be glad about that, because domainers are what's keeping the vaporware floating.""

I stand by what I said, the more people who pay no attention to you and compete in my little world then the harder it is for me so Id be the first to agree "stay away from .tv , nothing to see here, move along everyone".

And the notion that domainers are keeping things afloat is frankly laughable as its pretty clear to me and Id guess most others here that notable .tv domainer - domainer sales are about as common as unicorn poo. There are however some tasty enduser sales every week and occasionally people hit it out of the park.
Lx

 

[GoneWalkabout]

What has anything in the last nine posts got to do with the sale of Golfen?

It's all become one troll and a flurry of bait-led responses

If HeyNow wants to discuss the merits of .tv then could he please start a new thread and stop pissing on one guys great purchase.

 

[garptrader]

My view on sales thread comments is that one can congratulate the seller, perhaps mention that the domain was sold a little cheap, or if the sale was from VeriSign inventory or an expired auction one could state I'm surprised that name got bid that high. It does seem very much out of line to disparage the extension as worthless when obviously somebody is speaking with their wallet that it has value to them.

When I market a .TV domain and get a "How much?" response from an end user and they disappear when I quote $2500 that also speaks to how much that keyword .TV is worth to that end user. But that is an issue specific to that domain. This name sold so congrats again to the seller.

 

[The New Guy]

but as domainers and adults, have we really not moved past this shit?
everyone has an opinion - respect it!

As forge said, there's a difference between having an opinion and constantly spamming every .tv sales thread with the same regurgitated 'tv is for tuvalu and tuvalu is sinking or going to take back .tv domains' posts.

It's not participation, it's blatant trolling. Boards usually have a standard for this type of thing. The more they let it slide, the less people stick around and use the board. Some people take advantage of this kindness for their own enjoyment and to the detriment of everybody else.

So in the name of "respecting opinions" troll weeds are allowed to grow and the board is allowed to die.

How does namepros or its membership benefit from one person coming into every .tv sales thread and posting minor variations on the same fud every single time?

 

[louddrums]

Bottom line is: .TV sells. I'm a dot com guy but I started buying .TV starting in February when the gtld's really started moving, as naturally, people will check that extension. I was right, I made more in one word .TV sales then my .com sales. The sales numbers don't lie. It doesn't matter if anyone does not like .TV, It makes money. Anyone making money off of .TV is not complaining or has anything bad to say about it.

Caveat: pick your .TV's very carefully. Highly searched exact match keywords do not necessarily translate well into .TV sales.

 

[Archangel]

.tv has no residence restrictions that I know of, thus the major markets tend to paint an extension in a different light in the hopes of selling more..tv IS a ccTLD, bu it CAN be used for anything. Does every site using .org have to be an organizaion? Yeah, .tv is what it is, but that doesn't hold any meaning--it's also whatever it wants to be used for..tv isn't .xxx after all.

Just remember that, according to ICANN, .tv stands for .Tuvalu, and not "television." The mods here think they are doing y'all (and perhaps themselves) a favor by deleting posts reminding you of that fact, but that's really no favor. Eventually ICANN's roster of ccTLDs will be taught in public schools (it's probably already begun), and when it is, the pretend meaning of "television" will eventually vaporize, leaving late speculators holding many reg-fee only domains.

Also, the last time I checked the government of Tuvalu only leased the rights to Verisign for about $4million per year, so at some point the marketing ploy of "television" may be revealed for exactly what it is - a marketing ploy.

And of course if Tuvalu becomes an important country because of geopolitical dynamics, war, natural disaster, or one of many reasons, it will most likely want its ccTLD back for serious use as was intended.

Currently most participants here who dabble with .tv turn a blind eye to what I consider a certain eventuality. And until that eventuality hits, lots of coin will be made trading in this ccTLD with vapor-marketing meaning.
Does the ccTLD .ws (dot "website") ring a bell? It should.

 

[Archangel]

A few nuggets for ya:

I once owned pipedream.org. I've asked ppl here on NP for their 2 cents. Pretty much everyone said it was a regfee domain. I then promptly sold it for $400 or so.

I bought GlobalModeling.com for $20 here at NP. I tried selling it here for roughly the same price, but there was no interest. I tried BIDO and I think eBay--couldn't sell it for $20. I wound up selling it to an enduser for $750.

Moral: NP is full of noobs and pros alike, but the fact domains are bought/sold cheap here really has no correlation to what a domain has potential for. Surely the original owner of GlobalModeling.com will be kicking himself after reading he lost out on well over $700.

Interesting sales stats - I suppose since all the numbers are 12s and 13s that must mean the year i.e. 2012 and 2013. However, my view remains that most development on .TV is on reg fee domains like MeettheBoss.TV where you can see they are spending enormous resources on development with a domain name that you couldn't sell for $5 on NP.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

I came across this YouTube video that talks about it, and it was really a surprise to me cuz I always thought .tv stands for television!

This is often a shock, and a nice shock, to people. The good people of Tuvalu long ago handed over the extension to the world of TV and are mostly happy that they get paid good money for having done so.

You can be sure that TWITCH.tv or PANDA.tv or STV.tv or DKN.tv or the thousands of others that use .tv are not based in Tuvalu

 

[LinM]

.tv is Tuvalu's biggest export , I dont honestly see any government (overseen by London of course) throwing away bags of cash because they "want its cctld back". And sure its a tiny possibility , I dont think anyone denies that, just I guess we think its very small and priced in already. I think your opinion is respected its just a bit tedious having to read it quite so often - if it means so much to you then why not make a sticky thread or something.

Personally Im glad 99% of domainers hate the extension, its left opportunity for the rest of us and frankly I wish you and your message of doom the best of luck in the world - maybe take out some banner ads or something to make sure noone misses it ?
Lx :D

 

[bretttina]

Yep well said garptrader

congrats to the seller and buyer....

 

[JB Lions]

I think you get upset seeing these .tv sales knowing just 1 of them (even a low one) is more than you've made in your career? tv to people means tv. That's what they see. If they see me, they think me, not Montenegro, that's something only domainers would know, or care about.

If you got some poster board and wrote on it Wine.TV and walked around the mall asking people what TV meant to them, do you think even 1 would say Tuvalu? Or would that say TV/television.

 

[dr manos]

I think you get upset seeing these .tv sales knowing just 1 of them (even a low one) is more than you've made in your career? tv to people means tv. That's what they see. If they see me, they think me, not Montenegro, that's something only domainers would know, or care about.

If you got some poster board and wrote on it Wine.TV and walked around the mall asking people what TV meant to them, do you think even 1 would say Tuvalu? Or would that say TV/television.

yea for Heynow about.me site is obviously about Montenegro site

 

[mis_chiff]

There's a big difference between having an opinion and hijacking others' threads and persisting with arguments that have nothing to do with the original post in order to set some sort of personal agenda.

Talk about respecting opinions.

I get it, I looked back - but, here it is again.
It won't stop till someone stops it evirtual1 got it right lol

REMOVED TOP PART OF POST:

I humbly and respectfully disagree with what I think you're implying

It is true that .TV is the top level country code that has been assigned to Tuvalu and, as per common practice, it was based on the country code of Tuvalu as defined by the ISO standards, namely TV. I would not dispute that.

Administrative control for all domains of the type .TV has been delegated to Tuvalu by IANA. I would not dispute that.

There is nothing that says ".TV" means something and cannot mean anything else. Tuvalu recognized that there is value in .TV and has chosen to open up registrations in a global/open and non-restrictive manner for anyone to use how they want. It makes sense that the association of .TV to Television is made because it's clear and obvious and Tuvalu has reaped some rewards from this association.

.TV is just the designated name of the country code top level domain that has been assigned to Tuvalu. There is no disguise, there is no covert secret going on here. Let me be clear: .TV doesn't *mean* Tuvalu. .TV is the ccTLD that has been delegated to Tuvalu for administration and control.

The argument that .TV is and means Tuvalu is specious. No one says that you can't operate a charity site on a .com or a commercial venture on a .org - because there is nothing to stop you from doing so. There is a benefit to building your site on the appropriate extension because of the association that people make (not based on any real definition but an understood association). .TV is exactly the same - there's nothing to stop you having a site that's all text or a forum on a .TV but you don't benefit from a natural association. If you are a TV production company, a studio, or have video production channels, or provide rich media content etc. you can benefit from the association of .TV. To be sure, the link between TV and Television is not a weak force, it's an incredibly strong force. There's no guessing that TV stands for Television like there is that ws stands for website, or im stands for instant messenger. TV has been television for years. This is the reason that you also see adoption of .io for younger companies - io is what io is, there's no guessing.

I believe that Television has broadened in concept with the converging technologies to be more than the box that shows some stations - it's a media distribution vehicle. My TV streams movies, plays games, etc. Not everyone buys into that level of convergence and I understand that. I would not argue that for some, TV is the old box with static and a fuzzy picture - but not everyone is my grandparents.

So let me summarize:

.TV doesn't mean Tuvalu.
.TV is assigned to Tuvalu for administration as they see fit (with IANA guidelines).
TV is television
Television is media distribution platform

Therfore, I am comfortable saying:

.TV and TV has an immediate and meaningful association.

I am not saying .TV means television. I am not saying .TV means Tuvalu. I'm saying .TV has an immediate media association. Period.
It really is that simple.

Let's put it into perspective.
Say I registered Code.Kitchen (which is a name I like and would have registered if it was available). Who is going to stand up and insist to that registrant the blatant disregard for the fact that it's a Dot Kitchen is bad? Say someone registered join.me? Who is going to stand up and insist that this is misappropriation of the .me? Say someone registered Ameri.ca ? Who's going to stand up and insist that this is a slight to all Canadians and a total misuse of the ccTLD?

No one. Why? Because it doesn't matter. Because it's irrelevant.

The extension doesn't actually mean anything other than the registrant and website owner wants it to mean. The ONLY relevant factor is that the administrative control does belong to the country - hence they are solely responsible (within IANA guidelines and contracts) for the terms and conditions of the registration and pricing but this is really no different from any of the new TLDs that are owned by private corporations and control their TLDS (within ICANN guidelines and contracts). Or more significantly, this is no different to CO.UK, .DE, .AU, .JP, .CA etc. unless someone knows something different.

I think I'm about done now. I can move on.

Note: There may be grammar or spelling issues in this post because I'm not a professional forum poster.

Yes, that's what I said lol

There are always other associations to some of the ccTLD's [.ca California?]

some see just black or just white - sometimes we forget there is a grey
at the end of the day - and to quote you

TV is television = yes it is
and
.TV is assigned to Tuvalu for administration as they see fit (with IANA guidelines).
that's what I said :p

 

[eyedomainous]

"Dot TV is The Country Code of Tuvalu", and 'Hey Now' is a phrase not a Name.
Clearly, you (Hey Now) understand a phrase can be re-appropriated for other applications... even if some don't get it.