Domaining - All or Nothing Game

[Anjani]

It's quite hilarious to see people pushing domains for lower than reg fee.. sheer waste of time, money and energy...Maybe it's better to play this crap shoot as all or nothing game.

 

[xynames]

Lately my quoted prices are too high for the inquirers but since these inquiries are mostly lately coming in via Afternic for all I know they were hoping to snatch the domain for my posted minimum offer of $399. which I would not have sold any of the domains in question that low anyway.

I had one guy at Sedo actually get testy when I countered his $399 at $2500 and ask why I had a $399 minimum offer listed if I was not prepared to accept that.

 

[Anjani]

Ok, maybe you would like corpusfund.com, corpusfunds.com or principalcash.com..anyways i think everyone believes others domains are pigeon shit..all i care about is if it matters to the end user...else no big deal..will learn along the way

 

[biggie]

Yes! I invested $1200 about a month back and can sense that it's gone down the drain..still have about 11 months to go ...let's see if the gamble pays off...will not make the mistake of renewing in the hope of a golden ticket.

Hi

seems you don't have long range goal in mind


in that, you've been under assumption that this is a "buy today and resell tomorrow" game.

faith and confidence, has to last longer than 12 months.

so, buy less names and save some cash for renewals.

imo...

 

[Cebe]

yes!. I agree that all this is a game. of course you better than me because you good english language whereas I can only hope on google translate. in the domainer until now I still lose money but I know that in all things there is always hope and despair. playing games or not playing games? I chose to continue this game.

Cheers

 

[Anjani]

Hi

seems you don't have long range goal in mind


in that, you've been under assumption that this is a "buy today and resell tomorrow" game.

faith and confidence, has to last longer than 12 months.

so, buy less names and save some cash for renewals.

imo...

Thank You! Will restrategize at the end of the year and yeah thankfully renewals should be no big deal. Let's see how things play out...appreciate the advice you have provided.

 

[Anjani]

i see lots of interest in some domains i bought like:

Revzap.com
lbloc.com
RevCrowd.com
RevByte.com
Bingepal.com
Eoxid.com
Skyyap.com
Zebrule.com

Hopefully something should come through

 

[Anjani]

Michael...I'm Bulloney from Va. Beach, and I met you online about 6 months ago via an interview you had with Rob Monster of Epic.I'm guessing you may have heard of me by now because of the controversy I raise concerning the domain industry. The short video here only confirms much of what I've learned about "your" industry...before I go any further, I sent you a Linkedin invite when I met you, but you never responded That said, it was after your interview I also sent an invite to Rob, and since we've become online friends of sorts, even though I regretfully put him in an embarrassing situation, I now use Epik for registering the majority of my domains. Back on topic...the appraisal piece of the Domain industry is a real JOKE as I learned early in this game...I needn't give examples Michael, you know what I mean That said however, I'll be using them to show end users the possible value of a domain I may be selling. I'll preface my pitch with comments about appraisals being screwed up in the business, but I believe it will only add credibility, especially when I use GD appraisals as part of my pitch. End users have never heard of Estibot and any mention of their name would only confuse an end user.

Finally, your video was a result of Anjani's query for the name "SettlementAdvanceLoans.com" Micahel, as an entrepreneur starting and founding businesses serving the finance industry, I'm not sure I've heard of settlement advance loans? Payday Loans...Advance Loans sure, but not Settlement Advance Loans.
Michael, I own Refund.Loans and TaxRefund.Loans along with 50 other .loan(s) domains. Estibot has TaxRefund.Loans appraised at "O"....another JOKE, however it does recognize Refund.Loans as being worth $1,500 (lucky guesstimate). Michael, do you know how huge the tax refund loan industry is? I'm curious.

Michael...we need to talk/meet...ask Rob Monster about me. I think I may be able to add some credible value to your industry. Thanks

I have advancesettlementloan.com too.. advance settlement loans are Fast Funds that helps to level the playing field by offering advance settlement loans to plaintiffs

 

[alwaysforGod]

as with most things, play to win is the way to win

 

[namezest]

I maintain a 3 year approach... Keep your info hidden, unless you have a sales landing page you will get less spam them out of the blue start to open up some, and "BAM!" you are actually selling what other people salivate over. Unless you go the long route and develop your good domains to generate income which may become your full time thing.
If not you need to know it's 50 percent luck, 50 percent timing 100 percent patience. Truth? There is no short cut no matter what anyone says.

 

[Pedro Santos]

Hi Anjani,

You're not alone. We all buy domain names that we think are good for one reason or another and sometimes later find out that they have little or no value -- but we're not sure why. I'm going through and dropping domain names like this that I purchased years ago.

And it can be frustrating knowing when to trust an automated valuation tool, when it's valuation is high or low, and -- more importantly -- which underlying data might be off leading to the high or low valuation.

Your question seems simple enough, but it's answer is complex to explain. So I put together a video that shows you exactly why, including which tools I use when evaluating this type of domain name.

I hope it's helpful to you. I wish you the best going forward with your investing.

Best,
Michael

About a year ago you told me that iblock.io was a bad domain, using an "improper transposition" fallacy. I sold it for $2,688, not so bad imo.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I have never sold a domain at less than my registration cost, but I can clearly see situations where that makes sense. If you have decided that after an unsuccessful effort to sell you don't plan to pay renewal costs, surely it is better if you can get some fraction of the registration cost back rather than just let it expire?

Re all or nothing, while I respect those who take big risks in seeking big rewards, I think there should also be room in the domain investor community for those who only want to invest more modest sums, realizing they will never see the huge pay day, but because they like the value they can provide for small organizations and businesses.

Just my (retired person) two cents worth (not that we have pennies in Canada any more)

 

[slader23]

It's not all or nothing. You get out what you put in. The guys who are making serious money have spent countless hours looking through domain lists, going through sales data, researching trends and contacting domain owners. This isn't a game, there is a lot of opportunity in this niche so you have to be ready and willing to put in the work if you want to succeed. The more you know about domaining the more efficient you will be when it comes to distinguishing opportunity and you can only become more knowledgeable through study.

Word advice to the OP, stop looking at Estibot and start using Namebio.com to look at comparable sales. Let that be the first thing you check when trying to value a domain. If you want the latest search metrics Google Adwords Keyword Planner or the chrome app Keywords Everywhere is fine.

Estibot is not worth the time: https://www.thedomains.com/2012/11/02/marchexs-sales-prove-it-estibot-appraisals-are-worthless/

Hand regging domains like Loanqe.com and AdvancedSettlementLoan.com will not get you sales.

Here's why:
If you own the .COM and there are several other TLD's Taken---->Demand.
If you own the .COM and there are no other TLDs Taken---->No Demand.*

*Unless you understand the brandables market or have advanced knowledge of a new generic product/industry.

When there is no demand for your names then it will be an uphill battle to sell them. Don't waste your time with handregs. Go and spend $100-$1500 per name in the aftermarket or expired auctions, after spending sometime reading about what makes a domain valuable. It won't happen overnight but eventually, you'll start making money. You may make some mistakes but that's all part of the process.

Also liquidations like what you're talking about in the OP happen at every investment level in domaining. It may be for peanuts at the lower levels but smart investors will always try and recoup a % of their investments should they deem them to be unsuccessful. Nothing wrong about that.

 

[Anjani]

It's not all or nothing. You get out what you put in. The guys who are making serious money have spent countless hours looking through domain lists, going through sales data, researching trends and contacting domain owners. This isn't a game, there is a lot of opportunity in this niche so you have to be ready and willing to put in the work if you want to succeed. The more you know about domaining the more efficient you will be when it comes to distinguishing opportunity and you can only become more knowledgeable through study.

Word advice to the OP, stop looking at Estibot and start using Namebio.com to look at comparable sales. Let that be the first thing you check when trying to value a domain. If you want the latest search metrics Google Adwords Keyword Planner or the chrome app Keywords Everywhere is fine.

Estibot is not worth the time: https://www.thedomains.com/2012/11/02/marchexs-sales-prove-it-estibot-appraisals-are-worthless/

Hand regging domains like Loanqe.com and AdvancedSettlementLoan.com will not get you sales.

Here's why:
If you own the .COM and there are several other TLD's Taken---->Demand.
If you own the .COM and there are no other TLDs Taken---->No Demand.*

*Unless you understand the brandables market or have advanced knowledge of a new generic product/industry.

Thank
When there is no demand for your names then it will be an uphill battle to sell them. Don't waste your time with handregs. Go and spend $100-$1500 per name in the aftermarket or expired auctions, after spending sometime reading about what makes a domain valuable. It won't happen overnight but eventually, you'll start making money. You may make some mistakes but that's all part of the process.

Also liquidations like what you're talking about in the OP happen at every investment level in domaining. It may be for peanuts at the lower levels but smart investors will always try and recoup a % of their investments should they deem them to be unsuccessful. Nothing wrong about that.

Thank you, Excellent analysis!

I have iiiq.org and oooq.org with atleast 7 extensions taken. Maybe it will sell for $2200 as valuated

 

[slader23]

Thank you, Excellent analysis!

I have iiiq.org and oooq.org with atleast 7 extensions taken. Maybe it will sell for $2200 as valuated

At this stage, stay away from anything thats not a .COM. Those don't have value in .org.

 

[Anjani]

At this stage, stay away from anything thats not a .COM. Those don't have value in .org.

Ok, That's a pity that .org is not hot:
Got some good ones:

0dd.org
Dulcet.org
agedhelp.org
lifefunds.org

 

[Katee584]

Thank you for the great post.

 

[slader23]

Ok, That's a pity that .org is not hot:
Got some good ones:

0dd.org
Dulcet.org
agedhelp.org
lifefunds.org

It's not that .org is not hot, it's that you don't know what's HOT in .org or domains for that matter.....yet. Right now you need to take a step back and try and grace delete/refund/sell on NP for $3BIN to get back as much money as possible. Read up on sales and what makes a domain valuable. Stay out of anything other than .com until you understand how things work....and don't hand reg, buy in the aftermarket.


All those names have no value in .org. You handregged them all in January. Don't worry I've been where you are. In fact those names are probably better than the dumb sh*t I thought was good when I started. It's time to open up your mind and stop telling yourself that what you have will make you rich. It's going to take some time but once you're a year in you'll have gained enough information to create your own strategy, make some sales and start building a good portfolio.

 

[Katee584]

Not as experienced as some of the people on here however this is excellent advice. I admit i have hand reg most of my names so far, however i stick to .com extension until am more knowledgable. Also i dont register a name without doing at least some background reading on the trends behind it and who would be the likely buyer. Apart from the fact of selling names, domaining has made me more aware of whats going on in the world and to spend an hour daily researching new fields. I have a list of dumb names too so not to worry. Hope to move on to buying expired names soon.

 

[Anjani]

Not as experienced as some of the people on here however this is excellent advice. I admit i have hand reg most of my names so far, however i stick to .com extension until am more knowledgable. Also i dont register a name without doing at least some background reading on the trends behind it and who would be the likely buyer. Apart from the fact of selling names, domaining has made me more aware of whats going on in the world and to spend an hour daily researching new fields. I have a list of dumb names too so not to worry. Hope to move on to buying expired names soon.

I think some vested interests have popularized/domain schooled the idea of buying expired domains..
Even hand regged domains have a domain history of 8-15 years and they are expired for a reason cause no one was buying..why pay a premium that's the nature of the game ..i am taking a contrarian stand for now..don't mind losing $1200. Let's see how things play out and then i will restrategize at the end of the year.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Ok, That's a pity that .org is not hot:
Got some good ones:

0dd.org
Dulcet.org
agedhelp.org
lifefunds.org

I am certainly not an .org expert (I actually own none at the moment), but I think that it is a gross over simplification to say that .org will not sell except in crypto, that some imply. Yes, .com sell more, but also there are way more .com for sale. There are NGOs, organizations, etc. who do not want a .com but will pay a reasonable (not a premium) price for .orgs. I would definitely not give up on the ones you mention. I think LifeFunds(.)org in particular is a very nice name!