.tv Domainers and there tv sales

[hullswingerscom]

if tv domainers sell there tv cheap this can put the value of my domain down.
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if every domainer on here said the lowest i sell my domains are $500 this put the price up on all tv domains on this forum

mind u they can go somewere else i supos but you can see what am getting at in a way we set the price and the value of dot tv....

this made me think becouse of the guys who got LLLL.com they kinda set there low ball price.

just thinking out loud

 

[MicroGuy]

if every domainer on here said the lowest i sell my domains are $500 this put the price up on all tv domains on this forum

Perhaps? But the underlying fundamental in play here is "supply and demand". There simply is not enough demand for .TV domains due in part to lack of public awareness of the extension, new TLDs coming to market, the overall economy, bend-over-and-take-this renewal fees, premium pricing, etc., etc.

If every domainer refused to sell for less than $500, then sales in the marketplace here would come to a screeching halt. Wait a minute....they already did come to a screeching halt. :yell:

 

[vaunter]

... they already did come to a screeching halt. :yell:

Only the crappy names micro. There is a real market growing paralel to the extension awareness.

++++

Here @ NP we may have some power to rise the offered price in the aftermarket but we don´t control the full suply curve; that´s enom.

Patience, develope.

 

[TheBulldog]

Vaunter, no offense, but there is ONLY a market right now for either very good generics that fit the extension or for people that have an end use in mind.

Proven time and time again, there are plenty of non fitting generics for sale that are not getting even single dollar offers, or are being dropped altogether.

I think and believe it is only fair to all to make the market VERY clear....you either have a very fitting name for the extension, or you have one that has a dev path or you have one that has an end user that wants it. The rest are simply not being touched by ANYONE.


And even then, they are not being touched.

(No offense Micro)

Right now, there is a name for sale: EarlyShow.tv for sale right now for an asking price of $150.

To me, that is an exceptional name ripe for development, and should be commanding a much higher price. You know how many bids it has at that price? Zero. None. Zilch.

IN MY OPINION ONLY, that only names worth serious money are very specific geos, VERY specific generics that fit the extension, and names that are dev'd like blip.tv and then people building their sites like Millers who is putting his efforts into interviewing people about medical things, then others who are taking the obvious routes and doing adult sites.

 

[heroes]

Agree with you Bulldog.

Richards Auction to post names expired about 30 minutes ago and only 4 out of 250 odd names were selected. Compare that to his last Auction where there must have been 50-80 names nominated.

 

[TheBulldog]

Yep heroes.....as predicted by some others....we are a year out from the "Demand Media" release/exposure/whatever, and like what was predicted, we really are not a lot further. Some very good sales have taken place, and the extension is more well known, be we are still at least a year away from big sales of regular generics if not longer.

Not dissapointed, only in myself for not devving a lot more this last year.

 

[StargateCapital]

Heroes - I think Richard had some names that were more of interest to myself in the previous auction than this one (and others by the look of it). I'm still making sales [dot tv]... but as BD pointed out, you must select domains carefully. While the market may have slowed down a bit, its no where near a screeching halt (at least not for me) and interest / offers in my email box continue to come in.

RL

 

[equity78]

Good points Bulldog and Heroes, and congrats to you Roy. I think people need to look outside of this forum, I would spend very little effort selling here. It is like a bunch of girl scouts all trying to sell cookies to one another. Everybody knows everybody, they know who will spend $ and who thinks $100 is a lot for a .tv domain.

This is not a 50/50 split or even 80/20 for the most part it is 100 % sellers here, of course people will buy a domain for $30 or spend a little more on a domain to compliment their portfolio. Bottom line most people here have too many domains. Names they will never develop, never sell. Many here think they got a 3 to 5 year time frame before .tv takes off. ( not agreeing or disagreeing) Well if that's true and people started in 2006 looking to sell in 2010 to 2013 well that non premium is $100 to $150 investment at ENOM, other places it maybe $200. So how many non income producing domains can you hold ? Holding 200 .com cost $1400 and most do not think they need to wait 3 to 5 years to realize a great return.

So 100.tv portfolio in 2006, looking to realize worthwhile return in 2010 to 2013 means a holding cost of $10,000 and selling in 2010, 2013 means $17,500. Now of course you can drop. but you then need to ask why did I spend $25 to $39 on a domain to drop the domain ?

And for those to knock premiums I would rather hold 1 geo at $500 1 LLL.tv at $500 and one LL.tv at $1000 then 100 so-so non premiums if I believed I would not see great results for 3 to 5 years. This is not really a flipping extension in 2008, to reg at $25 to flip for $50 is not worth the risk unless you have a big budget.

I have always believed in this extension "Less is more" for the average small budget .tv owner. Again IMO

 

[snoop]

Good points from thebulldog and equity.

if tv domainers sell there tv cheap this can put the value of my domain down.
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if every domainer on here said the lowest i sell my domains are $500 this put the price up on all tv domains on this forum

This sounds like desperation. Will you be the first to start buying reg fee names for $500?

 

[hullswingerscom]

This sounds like desperation..not at all..

i just look at some of these long tv names for sale and dont understand why they sell after less then 1 year for peanuts..its a addiction like gambling...

if i run my shop like this it would go tits up.thats a saying in uk meaning bust.

i dont want this to be a snoop knock tv thread..getting a bit boring

 

[snoop]

This sounds like desperation..not at all..

i just look at some of these long tv names for sale and dont understand why they sell after less then 1 year for peanuts..its a addiction like gambling...

if i run my shop like this it would go tits up.thats a saying in uk meaning bust.

i dont want this to be a snoop knock tv thread..getting a bit boring

It is because the names are worth peanuts. Probably names they would otherwise drop.

Actually I'd say it is exactly like a shop, the stuff that doesn't sell at a particular price gets reduced until it does sell, even if it means selling at a loss.

 

[MillersCrossing]

Have to say I was surprised at how few of Richards names went this time, especially at the price they were going at......

I am even more surprised that Alkohol.tv didnt get one bid even given that it was no reserve.

Warning signs??? Not really, given that the.TV marketplace is an incestous pit made up of member to member selling.

The real market lies outside of Namepros and like Roy, I continuously get offers, - of course 90% of them are not worth my while responding, but one decent sale every three months and I am happy. And so far so good.

All my excess stock then essentially becomes free stock, - (having paid everything off through sales) at my liberty to drop or renew.....

 

[MicroGuy]

While the market may have slowed down a bit, its no where near a screeching halt (at least not for me) and interest / offers in my email box continue to come in.

I was referring to sales in the Namepros Dot TV marketplace. There has been a sharp downward trend in sales over the past few months.

 

[Ammudamus]

Good points everyone.

A

 

[hullswingerscom]

Actually I'd say it is exactly like a shop, the stuff that doesn't sell at a particular price gets reduced until it does sell, even if it means selling at a loss........

shops what work this way close after about 5 years i find

 

[RPK]

Have to say I was surprised at how few of Richards names went this time, especially at the price they were going at......

I am even more surprised that Alkohol.tv didnt get one bid even given that it was no reserve.

Warning signs??? Not really, given that the.TV marketplace is an incestous pit made up of member to member selling.

The real market lies outside of Namepros and like Roy, I continuously get offers, - of course 90% of them are not worth my while responding, but one decent sale every three months and I am happy. And so far so good.

All my excess stock then essentially becomes free stock, - (having paid everything off through sales) at my liberty to drop or renew.....

I also was a little surprised. Since I got PM's from people telling me they were going to bid and didn't, and because of the lack of opening bids I thought and I hope I'm right that it has something to do with it being Easter Sunday. So I pushed the the two ends off by 2 days.

If it wasn't because of the holiday and it is because of the market, then I don't get it? I see people reging .tv names that in my opinion don't come close to some of the names I have for auction that are less than reg fee. And some names in the $50 starting bid is worth paying the double reg fee cost for a much better name. Again, it's only my opinion, but I do think I have a good sense for the .tv market.

I have slowed down my reging because of a lack of great names out there. I have seen some pretty good xxxtv.tv names, but I wouldn't reg any. I do see many names being reged that I feel bad that people are throwing out there money on. Names that would barely make sense in the .com world. We can keep stressing that .tv is a developers game, but some people seem not to agree.

 

[Steven]

Yep, the namepros .tv reseller marketplace has slowed down.
However, my belief in .TV investment has not changed. I believe it will do very well down the road as more and more end users are using .TV as their website, which, in turn, are providing good amount of exposure to many internet users. The fate of the extension is not determined by the domainers, but by the end users, and I like the end user growth so far.
I think it's worth the wait (renewals) to see rise in values if you have good names.

btw I bought most of my names strictly for development, and I'm developing 5 .TV names atm.

 

[domainacrobat]

I understand what you are saying in your original post Mike. If everyone here held onto their names only to sell at higher prices we could drive the prices up. If we were a monopolythis may work. Unfortunately this would only raise the prices of which we are selling the names to eachother. Most endusers have a certain budget in mind when buying a name, and if they want your name it boils down to your ability to recognize the situation and capitalize on their ability to pay as an enduser. Generally speaking the "bulk" of .Tv sales are forum to forum, raising prices would only result in less sales, albeit a few higher sales far and few between. What snoop was trying to say in a not so gracious way was; an enduser wants a name reguardless of its price (to a degree), if your name is not a good name or if its not the name they want, it will just result in a dropped domain as you have effectively priced your self out of 90% of the market.

I dont think the market is as bad as alot of naysayers lead on to be. If you have good names you get good offers. If you are savvy and are able to recognize an enduser as such you can as for ask for an enduser price without getting rejected. If you have names that require more than a 1 year hold you have to be willing to do so. You also have to be willing to take small loses inorder to hold onto more valuable assets, its a balancing act that if done right can be profitable. IMO diversificatiuon is key to any kind of potfolio - While I do hold too many .TV that my budget may allow, .Tv is not the most abundant TLD in my portfolio. I have many other vested interests that pay dividends when .TV is not.

 

[hullswingerscom]

well in frank shilling new blog today he says.. "never to sell your product too cheaply".

 

[DnEbook]

agreed , namepros is a limited market , so hard for sales to keep growing here i guess