Domainer Etiquette

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

Okay - I want to build an empire based around keyword.

I already have several keyword.ngTLD in my portfolio.

keyword.net is for sale for $20k - completely not interested, might pay $100 for it but I doubt they would sell it for that. keyword.com is not for sale.

So I'm not worrying about .com/.net - but I did register keywordNetwork.com which I will use as the base of operations. It's the ngTLDs where I am most interested in obtaining keyword.tld.

keyword.video is taken - but just 302 redirects to a webcam site. I want it.

What I am tempted to do is attempt to acquire keyword.cam when .cam goes live - I have no interest in running a webcam site - and then attempt to trade it with the owner of keyword.video.

Is it considered bad etiquette to register a domain that I know someone else likely wants solely to use as leverage to get a domain that I want that they registered before I even had my idea?

Secondly, is there any kind of a safe way to conduct trades of domain names?

Thanks for any tips and comments.

 

[DU]

Is it considered bad etiquette to register a domain that I know someone else likely wants ...
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Hmmmm.. what kind of a person would register a domain that someone else likely wants?
A cybersquatter domainer

 

[Rado_Ch]

What is the benefit of the seller though? They are basically trading their domain for the same one in another extension...

You also mention that the page is 302 redirected which basically stands for a temporary redirect. There is a good chance that the owner will still want to keep and use the domain.

Not the greatest of ideas but if you have a solid plan on how to execute then by all means....

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

302 is what php sends when you use

header('Location: http://www.example.org/');

and I believe what apache sends when you use their redirect stuff.

The site that owns the domain I want is a webcam site so I'm hoping that keyword.cam would be of more value to them than keyword.video is - and that I can get it first.

Maybe if I do get it, I should first set up keyword.cam to point to some competing webcam sites with a referral program and pimp it on tumblr and twitter to really make them want it.

It's possible they want to develop keyword.video and won't want to make the trade, I just think it will be easier to get it from them if I have a domain to offer.

Hate to sound cheap but I'm trying to avoid paying a large sum of money for it. I never pay large sums for a domain, I just don't. But if my keyword.tld vision is going to work, I need keyword.video.

 

[silentg]

Generic / dictionary words in .video has premium renewal rates. If it's a generic / dictionary word then chances are that the current owner paid premium price for it.

I own .video domain and it has a premium renewal date. The rates are not posted in public and there's only one way of knowing: contact the owner of the domain.

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

Generic / dictionary words in .video has premium renewal rates. If it's a generic / dictionary word then chances are that the current owner paid premium price for it.

I own .video domain and it has a premium renewal date. The rates are not posted in public and there's only one way of knowing: contact the owner of the domain.

Same word in .audio is not premium, if it is a registry premium in .video then I don't want it, I think that is crooked and refuse to register any name at a higher price per year than other names on the same TLD.

.video is donuts and same word in .chat is not premium in .chat which is donuts.

 

[Jasonn]

chances are they won't want the .cam domain. im not sure why you assume they would.

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

That was fast. I asked them, it is premium @ $1300 a year, they don't want to sell it, and they plan to develop it for something new. I guess (they didn't say) the redirect is to get something back in the present.

Well shitaki mushrooms. Donuts really sucks.

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

chances are they won't want the .cam domain. im not sure why you assume they would.

I assumed they might because it is a cam site. But now I know they don't. Or at least not to trade, they might still want it but I have no motive to try for it now.

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

keyword.media was not taken and was not premium. Premium domain names in the 1k+/year range are just a really bad idea, too many other ngTLDs to ever make them worth it to someone like me, someone who understands proper SEO is far more important than the extension.

 

[NameFit]

To me, what matters is laws, I do no think new gTLDs are covered under such yet.

 

[DU]

To me, what matters is laws, I do no think new gTLDs are covered under such yet.

What laws are you talking about that for some reason gTLDs are immune to?

 

[NameFit]

I think still a grey area how the gTLDs will be treated under UDRP. Just throwing some pratical examples here
if someone owns gocars.com and someone now registers site go.cars? is go.cars is in trouble?
somebody has carsagency.com and someone has cars.agency or agency.cars, then?

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

What laws are you talking about that for some reason gTLDs are immune to?

I suspect there may be some laws about premium domain name pricing.

When a domainer buys and sells a domain name, it is fair market that ultimately determines the price. Anyone can register at the standard price and try to sell it for more.

When the registry itself determines that a name is "premium" and not only sells it for a jacked up price but requires that same jacked up price to renew, it isn't the principles of fair market, the registry has monopoly control over the entire TLD and it is no risk for them.

That monopoly power also allows them to apply it unfairly against certain markets - which donuts is doing, certain "premium" names cost more than others, and they are clearly targeting certain business demographics they think they can suck money from.

donuts operates in the United States, I would not be surprised to see a federal investigation and possibly fines. I'm not a lawyer let alone a business lawyer, but what they are doing is clearly slimey. I'm having second thoughts about registering any domains from them, I'm not sure I want to do business with a company that treats me that way.

It will be interesting to see what happens, if existing laws apply and what new laws may be created in response to their behaviour.

 

[Alice Wonder Miscreations]

I think still a grey area how the gTLDs will be treated under UDRP. Just throwing some pratical examples here
if someone owns gocars.com and someone now registers site go.cars? is go.cars is in trouble?
somebody has carsagency.com and someone has cars.agency or agency.cars, then?

LOL - I registered keywordNetwork.com to have a .com for this plan of mine, and I registered keyword.network just to prevent what you suggest, even though I won't use it (other than redirect maybe), I don't like .network TLD.

 

[ulterios]

Donuts really sucks.

via Imgflip Meme Maker

 

[Kate]

I think still a grey area how the gTLDs will be treated under UDRP.

For the purpose of UDRP, the domain name may be considered with or without its appendix (extension).
Therefore microsoft.gtld would qualify as TM infringement, and micro.soft would as well.
The main criterion being: is the domain 'confusingly similar' ?

 

[NameFit]

For the purpose of UDRP, the domain name may be considered with or without its appendix (extension).
Therefore microsoft.gtld would qualify as TM infringement, and micro.soft would as well.
The main criterion being: is the domain 'confusingly similar' ?

Agree - it is about the main Trademark (without extension). Then would it be fair to say that pretty much all new gTLDs woud be 'disputable'

 

[NameFit]

Lot of new gTLD will fail the two main criteria - confusing similar and registered in bad faith (as they were registered much later/recently). We have to see when they get litigated. Do not think they have gone to UDRP. Not sure if their input/decision was taken into consideration while releasing these new gTLDs.

 

[equity78]

I suspect there may be some laws about premium domain name pricing.

When a domainer buys and sells a domain name, it is fair market that ultimately determines the price. Anyone can register at the standard price and try to sell it for more.

When the registry itself determines that a name is "premium" and not only sells it for a jacked up price but requires that same jacked up price to renew, it isn't the principles of fair market, the registry has monopoly control over the entire TLD and it is no risk for them.

That monopoly power also allows them to apply it unfairly against certain markets - which donuts is doing, certain "premium" names cost more than others, and they are clearly targeting certain business demographics they think they can suck money from.

donuts operates in the United States, I would not be surprised to see a federal investigation and possibly fines. I'm not a lawyer let alone a business lawyer, but what they are doing is clearly slimey. I'm having second thoughts about registering any domains from them, I'm not sure I want to do business with a company that treats me that way.

It will be interesting to see what happens, if existing laws apply and what new laws may be created in response to their behaviour.

There are no laws around premium pricing, .TV created the model and has been doing it for 15 years. Donuts owns the registry, they can charge whatever they like and have ICANN's blessing on that.

Premium pricing sucks but not illegal in any way. If someone has a great idea, they can build it on any extension and the .com would be the best in the present to build it on imo. So KeywordNetwork.com or KeywordMedia.com and build it and see if the idea works.

Best of luck.