Domain industry is dying slowly?

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  1. souren

    souren Supportive Member NamePros Supporter

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    Since beginning of the internet .com .net .org were always the best option for any business or personal use
    names were too limited in a sense that generated a solid valuable market for the domaining business
    and domain investors

    Most of us as the people who are buying this so called land , imo are unaware of the fact that everyday new lands ,are being generated by the Icann ( Internet's Allah :) )

    every year 10 to 20 new domain extension were being released to the public witch in my opinion wouldn't create a serious problem
    until 2014 and beyond where +400 tld has been released to the public witch followed similarly and here were are in 2017 with 882 domain extension
    witch in my opinion make owning a premium name easy,cheap, for any potential buyer
    witch at the end will affect the tld market valuation
    imagine if you own solarenergy.com in 2000 and the value would be a good $$$,$$$
    then time passes and here we are in 2017 where you can have names like
    solar.energy energy.solar and more.. combinations for
    a reg fee or very cheap price
    Then it would seriously affect the valuation of solarenergy.com
    I see a world (in near future )where anyone can have a short and premium looking domain
    that he just registered for 10$
    and a market witch looses it's value everyday


    That's just my thought about the future of this industry
    What you guys think about this?
     

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  3. souren

    souren Supportive Member NamePros Supporter

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    That is or isn't tru does not matter.
    What matter is why is not true
    or why is it true

    So if you bring up any claim , bring your reasoning and logic too
    so that your light might take away us from darkness :)
     
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    Adding a bunch of new "land" in a bad area does not really effect the value of prime real estate (quality .COM).

    Also, the whole premise of top tier combos like solar.energy being affordable is not realistic. 99% of those are registry reserved and come with massive premium prices and/or premium yearly renewals.

    So people can decide if they want to pay a premium for .COM, or a new extension. In most cases the choice is pretty easy.

    Brad
     
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    At DomainNameBroker.com, we predict that 99% of gTld will go bankrupt and disappear. Remember .mobi? No one uses it. There is a seller on this forum, selling toys.xyz for the price of its renewal. There is a limited demand for dot coms, which is why this asset class is considered illiquid. But the demand for alternative domains is virtually non existent.
     
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    Also, we are very surprised that reputable domain name registrars decided to offer registrations of alternative domain names. We deem this to become very damaging to their reputation. We predict lawsuits on this basis.
     
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    And also, this is very understandable question in this situation. On the surface, the domain name market appears inadequate when people are selling toys.xyz and can not sell it. There is no demand for alternative domain names. Period. Walmart analysts are savvy. And they paid $9,000,000 for shoes.com. Hope this addresses your concern.
     
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    This is true . I registered a few .Fun's

    And from a value perspective .fun owned by Radix has reserved domains with a simple template . They looked at all high end historical sales and just kept those for themselves.

    The ones they did reserve can commandments prices from $500-$24k.

    And that is not just the bin price but it's also the renewal price!!!!

    So if you regged a good .fun you can argue that your specific .fun like my Rate.fun would have ( if reserved by Radix ) cost $1000-$24k a year. But since you are buying from domainer . It's a one time buy now price and then the low yearly renewal for .fun.

    Rate.com sold for $725,000

    It could be used for loan or mortgage or insurance.

    Rate.fun? More geared for something like Yelp. Or tripadvisor.

    My point? .com will never lose value to new Tlds .

    Because registries are greedy.

    As with any investment plan always hedge your bets. A portfolio of .com's and
    .net's and .org's and new tld will increase you chances for success. Just make the right choices.

    Something I do not so often! Lol
     
  9. souren

    souren Supportive Member NamePros Supporter

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    Well that's interesting and i agree with you in a sense
    But do you agree that lot of people prefer to move to that so called bad land? as many have said?
    ''whole premise of top tier combos like solar.energy being affordable is not realistic. 99% of those are registry reserved and come with massive premium prices''
    Well that gonna make it worse imo , because imagine you hold the solarenergy.com
    witch holds a good XXX,XXX Value in it. witch is in the direct result of bidders interest
    now you loose some of those interest with solar.energy energy.solar
    in fact these 2 names steal the value of the solarenergy.com away
    So witch cause solarenergy.com to loose some of it's digits !


    So if they have massive premium prices as you say then they aren't always the bad land !
    In fact they are the sometimes the paradise in the bad land
    Like the las vegas in the desert , or dubai in the desert !!

    They are just perfect land/spots in a considerably bad location .
    witch make lot of the paradise state's (.com) residences to move away
    and reside there for the good conditions that it offers to some !

    Think of it as this way

    Imagine .com being amazon.com .net being best buy and so...
    And we are as the market
    Our numbers are the same
    But everyday there is a new store (small but a lot ) are coming the the market
    And make us the people to spend our money on them
    Now of course it causes the loss of amazon (.com) And others .. revenue
    Because what it could be sold in amazon is selling in other store.

    The amount of capital is identical but the supply amount is just too crazy
    And every day gets creazier


    If you think .com being the paradise In my opinion just wait
    And see what extensions like .app .web And ... gonna do to this promise land
    Imo is a RIP xxxapp.com xxxweb.com investors

    Just my 2 cents
     
  10. karmaco

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    stick to dot com within your budget and you will be allright
     
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    A common theme among domainers, but 99% going bankrupt and disappearing...nope, that won't happen. The majority will survive either on their own, or under the wings of another gtld operator. As for being 'popular' or 'investment' worthy, probably not on a bigger scale like .com domains are now. Though despised and hated by domainers, there are end-users that 'use' them now and will continue to do so in the future. And they care more about a domain name that is relevant/describes their business (that they can afford) today, not about it's resale value down the line. Just a reality that isn't going to disappear just because of domainer despisement.
     
  12. souren

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    ''There is a seller on this forum, selling toys.xyz for the price of its renewal''
    I dare you to show me that guy !!
    .xyz, had more than 300,000 domains after one and a half months of existence !
    We can't ignore that ! can we?
     
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    Lol, are you for real?
     
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    The vast majority of those initial registrations were opt-out forced registrations @ Network Solutions. It is well documented.

    They went from a peak of 6.8M regs to 2.2M now.

    Basically since day 1 .XYZ has tried to use every trick in the book to manipulate the numbers to show far more demand than actually exists.

    Brad
     
  17. DomainNameBroker.com

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    This is why we predict lawsuits.
     
  18. souren

    souren Supportive Member NamePros Supporter

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    Thanks
    I am willing to buy it for the price of renewal !
    lol
     
  19. DomainNameBroker.com

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    But do not ask if the domain name industry died, then.
     
  20. souren

    souren Supportive Member NamePros Supporter

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    I hope it doesn't go too down
    but i only see decrease of domain prices in namebio.com in every year

    We can't just ignore the effects
    That was just MO
     
  21. souren

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    And my main concern is not for today
    It is for tomorrow
    To me it's a matter of time until people start to use other domain extensions

    And i am not worried about most of the garbage extensions that there is
    I am concerning of new ones like .app
    and many more
    I believe it can make ultrapremium .com names less valuable over the time
    That's just my opinion !
     
  22. souren

    souren Supportive Member NamePros Supporter

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    even if 99% of the new ones are considered garbage
    we still have few solid extentions every year that going to compete with .com
    Of course .com is solid and will always be
    But i mean domaining wouldn't be as good as it used to be like 10 years ago
    and every year it become tougher imo
     
  23. souren

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    didn't know that
    Thanks
     
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    It is happening, but the critical mass just isn't there. It's lots of low-key websites - there are not so many prominent end users.
    And people are not really paying attention, in America they are usually familiar with .com/.net/.org/.edu/.gov, while in other countries people are familiar with .com and the local ccTLD and they ignore most other extensions (and won't want to buy them).

    And for each site built on a new extension, you have dozens more on .com, so new extensions remain oddities, or novelty if you prefer. They are not getting mainstream.

    Of course, people will sometimes see a .whatever advertised in a magazine or on a billboard. Even if they visit the site they will ultimately forget the extension and probably the whole domain, and even if they see a .whatever it still doesn't mean they want to own one.
    The only thing that could tip the balance is massive usage, and sustained advertising.
    Had there been more strings available in 1995, thing could have turned out differently and there would be more diversity today. It's much too late now, and there are too many strings competing against each other in the face of limited demand.
     
  25. Smiles76

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    Stupidity and greed is what is killing the domain industry. A 30% ROI in real estate is considered amazing. Yet, many domains will receive a 1000% ROI on their domain and still turn it down because it's not their asking price. This is why most domains will never sell.
     

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