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Domain Auction Front Running - Hall Of Shame

Located in Reviews, started by CDM, Jun 26, 2020

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  1. CDM

    CDM Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    The practice of domain auction front running occurs when someone attempts to solicit offers from potential buyers for the purchase of a domain name which the front runner does not own, either in advance of the domain being auctioned, or while a domain auction is taking place. The front runner hopes to profit without risk by securing buyer interest in a domain they have no title to, before the auction ends.

    Domain auction front running is widely frowned upon by the vast majority of domain investors and has been described by one of the top domain bloggers as, "a black mark on the domain industry".

    Some problems with domain auction front running include ...
    • It is unethical, since the front runner falsely represents themselves as the owner of a domain, or as having rights to the sale of a domain which they do not in fact own nor have any rights to
    • It may pose serious legal risk to the actual owner or future owner of the domain, e.g. when the front runner solicits companies with competing IP or Trademark interests in the name, which could trigger such companies into dragging the domain into a UDRP. (c.f. this real world example)
    • It can have a negative impact on the value or resale potential of the domain in question
    HALL OF SHAME

    This forum thread is intended to call out domain auction front runners among their industry peers and to provide a public record of such activity, in an effort to help deter those who might otherwise consider engaging in this unethical practice from so doing in the future.

    All NamePros members are welcome to post to this thread to publicly name and shame known domain auction front runners.

    IMPORTANT: You must have undeniable proof of the activity, and provide evidence in the form of screenshots to document any case of front running. This is not the place for speculation nor to make loose accusations. Any unsubstantiated claims will be requested to be removed by forum moderators.

    Additionally, it is requested that members also refrain from leaving derogatory comments, engaging in gossip, or excessive small talk which might clutter the thread and diminish it's value.

    It is essential that as a community we seek to hold ourselves and our peers to the highest standards, and it is with that purpose in mind that this thread has been started.

    Being named in this thread as a domain auction front runner, which will then be indexed by search engines, where potential buyers or other business contacts might find you, could lead to a loss of reputation and business. Therefore anyone currently engaging in domain auction front running is strongly encouraged to abandon the practice now. It really is not worth trying to take the 'easy way', and it will be better for you in the long run if your success is well earned.
     
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  2. stub

    stub DNStore.com PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    IMPORTANT: You must have undeniable proof of the activity, and provide evidence in the form of screenshots to document any case of front running.

    I think there will be few to no posts in this thread.
     
  3. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TheDomains Staff TLDInvestors.com PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Plus the fact domain front running can never be prevented. Only an idiot is using their real name.
     
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  4. AEProgram

    AEProgram Top Contributor VIP Blue Account

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    are you talking about those spammers that send you emails about names that are similar to one you own?
     
  5. tonyk2000

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    Let them keep up the good work :) LOL. I periodically (hand)register those domains they "promote" (all in redemption/pendingdelete actually) after they drop. A small number of handregs, but still...
     
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  6. AEProgram

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    ha me too! sometimes they email me a name that I didn't renew because I have the way better version and its not worth to have both of that name
     
  7. stub

    stub DNStore.com PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Me too :) All of those offers go straight in the Junk Mail. I'm not really interested to look at 5000 emails for the one gem, which if you express any interest in, goes up in price. It's a farce.
     
  8. CDM

    CDM Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Presented here is evidence that the following party has repeatedly committed domain auction front running:

    Company: Domain Lions (aka DomainLions)
    Site: DomainLions.com
    Address: 2311 Almondwood Ave, Lancaster, California 93535, US
    Phone: 1 661 505 9573
    Email: [email protected], [email protected]

    People involved: David Pavel, (website testimonials also show a 'Nadia')
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/DomainLions

    Supporting Facts:

    I own the domain name DomainConsultant.net. On June 18, 2020, I received an email from GoDaddy through the whois contact form for that domain, titled "Someone Asked About Your Domain". Here is the content of the message:

    Here is a screenshot of the email I received: https://snipboard.io/Rqp8WI.jpg

    At the time this message was sent, DomainConsultant.com was just entering pending delete, meaning that they were attempting to solicit offers for a domain they did not own.

    The landing page that they linked to now says, "offer for domainconsultant.com has now expired". However, here are two screenshots showing the offer form that was there:

    screenshot 1: https://snipboard.io/s0qXwt.jpg
    screenshot 2: https://snipboard.io/q4uGtA.jpg

    (FYI: DomainConsultant.com was caught by DropCatch on June 22, 2020, and closed on June 25 for $4,594)

    On June 26, 2020, the same date I created this thread, just after creating it, I sent the following email reply to David Pavel:

    Now you know the real reason that I set up this thread, to begin with. I sought to give David Pavel of DomainLions the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to make him aware in case he was not, about the implications of domain auction front running, so as to give him another chance. However, as I made clear, if there was a second strike, then I'd go forward with naming and shaming.

    On July 19, 2020, not more than a month later, I received another email from [email protected] through the whois contact form for my domain KKGroup.org, inviting me to make an offer on the pending delete domain KKGroup.net. Here is what it said:

    Here is the screenshot: https://snipboard.io/Hn3ifk.jpg

    After doing a bit more research, I uncovered more evidence of another domain he tried to front run: https://www.trianglefamilychurch.org/2020/05/

    Verdict: Guilty
     
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  9. LiamShiff

    LiamShiff Established Member

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    I got contacted by the Domainslion guy (David) asking to contact me.

    Is there a risk to responding?

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  10. hollywood

    hollywood Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Move on. You can't stop this, just like you can't stop time either.

    Looks to me like you were given a heads up about not one but two EMD TLD's becoming available that match domains you own. Just being practical, as that might be good info you got for free.
     

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