warning Does Rami Steitieh A/K/A steitieh Shill? You Decide.

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In March of 2016 @steitieh was found guilty of shill bidding on NamePros with @tha-she. While these two members are no longer permitted to conduct business with each other here, @steitieh is still able to participate in the marketplace and carries an undeserving PRO badge.

Recently, Rami was accused of shill bidding again. However, the evidence is circumstantial, at best, but it's admitted by him that he had close personal acquaintances bid on his auctions – something that we all know that most other marketplaces would never tolerate.

Beware: if you choose to bid on one of @steitieh 's auctions, know that someone else may be purposefully bidding you up.

 

[steitieh]

This IS Dependant on @Eric Lyon before I MYSELF, Share anything im not allowed to share, if he says i can do so, i absolutely do not mind

I am fine too.

 

[tha-she]

@David Walker

This message is for both of you. Please read it carefully, because there will be no further warnings or exceptions made. If we find out that you are not following the rules below, we will immediately revoke your access from the NamePros Marketplace forever. There will be no investigation and there will be no appeal. This is your one and only warning.

Since you two were unable to provide adequate evidence that shill bidding did not take place between the two of you, the rules below have been placed on your accounts and MUST be adhered to for all transactions you partake in on NamePros with anyone. There will be no exceptions to these rules.

Rules:

1. NEVER bid on an auction unless you have the funds ready to pay for it and will pay for it within 7 days.
2. You two may never bid on each other's auctions again. You can conduct deals via private message ("Conversation") on NamePros, but you may never participate in an auction run by the other member. You are banned from participating in each other's auctions.
3. All communication about deals that take place on NamePros, with ALL members, MUST take place in private messages ("Conversations") on NamePros. You may never discuss deals that originate on NamePros outside of NamePros. Never discuss them on Skype, email, phone, etc. If we ever notice that a deal was not discussed in full on NamePros again, you both will lose access to the NamePros Marketplace forever.

These rules are not debatable. You must follow them if you wish to use NamePros Marketplace.

I hope at this point you have what you are looking for, since i have told you 2x already now, i was sleepy and you, if you feel like it are open to blame me for it, i have always done right here with anyone, never got into anything shady with anyone althou having numerous of people on skype not just Rami and had NO intentions to do so here neither, it was simply a lack of attention from my side and i hope you understand somehow.

 

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Since you two were unable to provide adequate evidence that shill bidding did not take place between the two of you, the rules below have been placed on your accounts and MUST be adhered to for all transactions you partake in on NamePros with anyone. There will be no exceptions to these rules.

And @Eric Lyon says @steitieh was never found guilty of shill bidding?

Care to retract your statement? It's clear as day.

 

[Eric Lyon]

Thank you @tha-she for posting the message.

@David Walker - I will say it once more: @steitieh has never been found guilty of shill bidding on NamePros.

There was one deal between them that we had insufficient information on to conclude one way or the other. It was unknown, and therefore we could not verify every deal. We did verify multiple deals and they all checked out, but since there was one deal that was undetermined, we decided to no longer let them bid on each other's auctions. This was a precautionary measure. If shill bidding was found, we would have removed their marketplace access immediately.

Whenever we discover a shill bidder, we revoke their marketplace access immediately. No exceptions.

 

[steitieh]

And @Eric Lyon says @steitieh was never found guilty of shill bidding?

Care to retract your statement? It's clear as day.

I can't believe I am still replying to your nonsense - But you gotta read deeper like you asked Eric to do - Unable to provide evidence of shill bidding DOES NOT confirm GUILT - Plus, you got the other party coming and telling you 20 times that she asked for it (I don't blame her and never will) you still insist on mentioning my name again and again. What is it exactly that you want? making a hero of yourself based on your ego? If a person is "FOUND GUILTY" he / she is banned - Now, go mind your own business!

 

[Addison]

I can't believe you guys ever let this David character be a moderator!

 

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I can't believe I am still replying to your nonsense - But you gotta read deeper like you asked Eric to do - Unable to provide evidence of shill bidding DOES NOT confirm GUILT - Plus, you got the other party coming and telling you 20 times that she asked for it (I don't blame her and never will) you still insist on mentioning my name again and again. What is it exactly that you want? making a hero of yourself based on your ego? If a person is "FOUND GUILTY" he / she is banned - Now, go mind your own business!

It's ok. This is my thread, and my allegation.

People are smart enough to read between the lines, as well as observe currently furnished evidence, to make the determination that your auctions have been, and still are, filled with shills.

 

[N-A]

I can't believe you guys ever let this David character be a moderator!

I nominate you to take my place.

 

[ZapNano]

@David Walker, ok.ok.ok. Move on on on on.. No more police... No ending story.

 

[tha-she]

I can't believe I am still replying to your nonsense - But you gotta read deeper like you asked Eric to do - Unable to provide evidence of shill bidding DOES NOT confirm GUILT - Plus, you got the other party coming and telling you 20 times that she asked for it (I don't blame her and never will) you still insist on mentioning my name again and again. What is it exactly that you want? making a hero of yourself based on your ego? If a person is "FOUND GUILTY" he / she is banned - Now, go mind your own business!

And once more before a clock out, please with all due respect @David Walker , i know you are only trying to protect others here, but as Rami and i before him said, i simply asked him to let me go, he did... i dont want him to take heat for something he did to HELP me, i hope you understand this.

 

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And once more before a clock out, please with all due respect @David Walker , i know you are only trying to protect others here, but as Rami and i before him said, i simply asked him to let me go, he did... i dont want him to take heat for something he did to HELP me, i hope you understand this.

The problem is, other auction houses would see this as shill bidding and immediately ban you both. Luckily, namePros is a little bit more liberal and let @steitieh stick around to shill more with someone else.

 

[deez007]

And @Eric Lyon says @steitieh was never found guilty of shill bidding?

Care to retract your statement? It's clear as day.

@David Walker - I Think you may be misinterpreting it?

In all the correspondence I am reading on this thread it is clear to me that neither party has been found guilty of shilling? From my understanding it seems that it's more a case of them being suspected of shill bidding but there is no evidence to substantiate it and the possibility does exist that they are being honest about what actually transpired and that the bidder was allowed to back out of the deal by the seller. IMO if all the other transactions have been shown to be above board and there has been no foul play then surely it's likely that their explanation for the one that doesn't look above board is plausible?

 

[N-A]

@David Walker - I Think you may be misinterpreting it?

In all the correspondence I am reading on this thread it is clear to me that neither party has been found guilty of shilling? From my understanding it seems that it's more a case of them being suspected of shill bidding but there is no evidence to substantiate it and the possibility does exist that they are being honest about what actually transpired and that the bidder was allowed to back out of the deal by the seller. IMO if all the other transactions have been shown to be above board and there has been no foul play then surely it's likely that their explanation for the one that doesn't look above board is plausible?

Sure, you can interpret it that way as well. That's the good thing about the English language; neither of us are wrong.

I invite you to participate in @steitieh 's auctions. Surely, there's no more shills the 3rd time around, eh?

 

[tha-she]

The problem is, other auction houses would see this as shill bidding and immediately ban you both. Luckily, namePros is a little bit more liberal and let @steitieh stick around to shill more with someone else.

Understand.
Noted.

But dont you think that allegation is a bit harsh? You are saying he is Shill Bidding with DnBank even thou Namepros Looked into that matter, and i am sure they did so VERY WELL, and Rami was able to proof EVERYTHING...So you are saying Rami is so smart to sell an extreme large amount of domains to himself, for the benefit of selling some of hes domains for just some dollar more? seems far away...

Also.... i happen to know what most of these domains cost him, Rami is giving up everything he has at horrible losses because hes in a horrible horrible situation, i highly doubt he would even have 1/4th of the time needed to do something like this.

 

[deez007]

Sure, you can interpret it that way as well. That's the good thing about the English language; neither of us are wrong.

I invite you to participate in @steitieh 's auctions. Surely, there's no more shills the 3rd time around, eh?

Hmmm not really mate. It's not a case of different interpretations but a case of misinterpretation. Let's look at a different scenario but within context....

Let say you saw a guy drop his wallet and it's very clear there is a thick wad of notes in the wallet...after he drops it you bend down to pick it up... you don't call out to him to tell him he dropped his wallet but instead you bend down to pick it up... then just as you stand up someone tackles you from behind and pins you to the ground and starts accusing you of trying to steal the guys wallet.. a crowd gathers around and they are all accusing you of stealing the wallet and the wallets owner is now also present.. now let say you honestly bent down and was going to run after the dude to tell him he dropped his wallet...but before you did so you were tackled to the ground... when you tried to explain to everyone that you were picking it up to return it they asked you why did u not yell out to the guy and tell him that he dropped his wallet?? That might have been the obvious thing to for some people...but for some the obvious thing would have been to pick iit up and run after the guy and give it back to him... none the less the crowd starts beating you and you are left with a few broken bones and then the cops are called in and you are thrown in jail overnight and charged with theft/robbery... all this when your honest intentions were to return the wallet.. yet because one person thought that you not calling out to the owner was suspicious and this must mean without any doubt that you were going to steal the wallet, he managed to get the crowd involved and everyone rallied behind him and were too heated up to even listen to your explanation... ..

Yes different scenario's but the context is still the same... the repercussions of accusing someone of wrong doing purely based on suspicion are never good... especially if the person was not doing anything wrong in the first place...

Off course if the person is guilty and there is evidence to substantiate it then that's a different story...

I have seen @steitieh auctions and I might have even participated on some of them... I know of other users whom I know well that have won auctions of @steitieh and they didn't have any issues..

 

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But dont you think that allegation is a bit harsh? You are saying he is Shill Bidding with DnBank even thou Namepros Looked into that matter, and i am sure they did so VERY WELL, and Rami was able to proof EVERYTHING...So you are saying Rami is so smart to sell an extreme large amount of domains to himself, for the benefit of selling some of hes domains for just some dollar more? seems far away...

I am stating that any form of bidding, that can be done over the phone (in your case) or in person (in @DNBank.com's case) as a "BUY IT NOW" (instead of rallying other bids), between close friends and/or acquaintances can be viewed as shill bidding, especially when the pattern persists over several auctions (more than 10 in your case, and more than 5 in @DNBank.com's), and not just one. Furthermore, when auctions are won, and the friend then lets the buyer (you) persistently escape your dues (payment for domain) and chooses to cancel the sale altogether, is highly suspect.

Would this have been the case had someone outbid you or @DNBank.com by $1? I highly doubt it.

 

[N-A]

I have seen @steitieh auctions and I might have even participated on some of them... I know of other users whom I know well that have won auctions of @steitieh and they didn't have any issues..

If you still feel that way after going back through each one of @steitieh's auctions, as I have, and find that there aren't inconsistencies between certain members (particularly with bids coming from @tha-she or @DNBank.com and even @Saeid Nejati who is authorized to broker for @steitieh and/or handle funds via PayPal) and bids being placed, then by all means, I will apologize to him on video and upload it for everyone to see my true sincerity.

But, the fact remains, there are several people who bid up his auctions on a consistent basis, and when they win, the domains never seem to change hands for the most part. However, when a newcomer, much like yourself wins, the domain always does.

Explain that unexplainable and call me a conspiracy theorist for believing that he has an army of shill bidders at his hands.

 

[deez007]

If you still feel that way after going back through each one of @steitieh's auctions, as I have, and find that there aren't inconsistencies between certain members (particularly with bids coming from @tha-she or @DNBank.com and even @Saeid Nejati who is authorized to broker for @steitieh and/or handle funds via PayPal) and bids being placed, then by all means, I will apologize to him on video and upload it for everyone to see my true sincerity.

But, the fact remains, there are several people who bid up his auctions on a consistent basis, and when they win, the domains never seem to change hands for the most part. However, when a newcomer, much like yourself wins, the domain always does.

Explain that unexplainable and call me a conspiracy theorist for believing that he has an army of shill bidders at his hands.

I have not gone through all of the "data" and am referring to the content of this thread alone. However I'm also assuming that the NP investigation would have been a detailed one and they would have gone through all the data.

Again, if it looks suspicious then that's exactly what it is... a suspicion. Unless it can be proven otherwise with substantiated evidence then that's all it will remain a suspicion. If people where to be arrested and throw in jail based merely on suspicion, irrespective how strong the suspicion maybe then we would not need to own houses because the entire population would be living in Jail.

 

[mad409]

If you still feel that way after going back through each one of @steitieh's auctions, as I have, and find that there aren't inconsistencies between certain members (particularly with bids coming from @tha-she or @DNBank.com and even @Saeid Nejati who is authorized to broker for @steitieh and/or handle funds via PayPal) and bids being placed, then by all means, I will apologize to him on video and upload it for everyone to see my true sincerity.

But, the fact remains, there are several people who bid up his auctions on a consistent basis, and when they win, the domains never seem to change hands for the most part. However, when a newcomer, much like yourself wins, the domain always does.

Explain that unexplainable and call me a conspiracy theorist for believing that he has an army of shill bidders at his hands.

Can you provide some auction links for us lurking? Would like to see what you're talking about. TY..

The ones in question..

 

[PoliticalVII]

Revoke all titles and privilege of David Walker for false accusations. There no greater crime, i weep as i type this.