status-resolved Shill Bidding On Forums

[DomainVP]

Take a look at the auction thread for IQTT and PFAN.

Two decent 4L's are being auctioned off in the forum ; $500 and $570 respectively.

That is until another user, with minimal activity, made the following bids :
PFAN $600, IQTT $550.

Upon further inspection, it looks like the account that placed that bid has not been active in 4 months, they have bid on a total of 7 auctions ever, 4 out of 7 were posted by OP.

What is your take on this? A coincidental alignment of seller and buyer, or shill bidding at it's finest. Do you think that this happens often?

 

[Asfas1000]

Wwwweb this is strong evidence but no proof, and without proof , the mods won't act.

For the sake of accuracy , it was more than $38 , as RJ started all domains.

 

[Eric Lyon]

So RJ Managemnt bid 3 months ago, didn't honour their bid, and finally came back today and bid $1k worth of bids on the OP from previous auction after failing to pay for $38 worth of bids?

Furthermore no negative feedback was left.

This party has bid in 7 auctions, roughly 60 percent of their bids were to this sole single seller.

Bid with confidence

Unless a seller reports these things we have no clue at the time that a breach of agreement has happened. furthermore, if the seller had reported the incident and the buyer did pay with a staff member mediating between the two, a bad business infraction would have occurred along with notes so that when an incident like this happens we already have a history and track record established.

I urge members to always report failed agreements so that we can try to mediate and take further actions (if necessary). If members don't invite staff to mediate, chances are we have no clue what's happening in private.

Many members don't use the feedback system in fear of retaliation and that might be what happened in that case. Either way, I do encourage all members to utilize the feedback system for failed transactions and for good experiences. This allows other members to see what type of business a member conducts.

Now that the seller is aware of what I posted above, It's my hopes that if another deal falls through that they will report it & use the feedback system so we can avoid confusing situations like this.

 

[BrandingModel.com]

There are certain sellers that I trust and I always look at their trade reviews. Those who have several trade reviews wouldn't risk having their account closed as it's very high risk to shill bid on their own auctions.

I prefer to keep a good rapport with good sellers and I usually ask them to PM with a BIN price before they list for auction on certain niches. I'm also over the bidding wars but that's domaining...

 

[wwwweb]

Unless a seller reports these things we have no clue at the time that a breach of agreement has happened. furthermore, if the seller had reported the incident and the buyer did pay with a staff member mediating between the two, a bad business infraction would have occurred along with notes so that when an incident like this happens we already have a history and track record established.

I urge members to always report failed agreements so that we can try to mediate and take further actions (if necessary). If members don't let us to mediate, chances are we have no clue what's happening in private.

Many members don't use the feedback system in fear of retaliation and that might be what happened in that case. Either way, I do encourage all members to utilize the feedback system for failed transactions and for good experiences. This allows other members to see what type of business a member conducts.

Now that the seller is aware of what I posted above, It's my hopes that if another deal falls through that they will report it & use the feedback system so we can avoid confusing situation like this.

Why would a seller report a failed non payment from a fake alter ego shill bidder?

Do we really need to ask this question, I seriously can't believe that is an issue?

This auction was dying out at $600, about what they go for on namepros, looks like they bought if for development and paid much more for it.

What is a seller to do, when their auction is about to sell at a reseller price on a reseller platform?

 

[Eric Lyon]

Why would a seller report a failed non payment from a fake alter ego shill bidder?

Do we really need to ask this question, I seriously can't believe that is an issue?

Can you please provide proof of that claim? Our system is pretty accurate in detecting alter egos. With the occasional one that may slip though, but eventually gets caught. In this situation no duplicate accounts or alter egos were detected.

You may not be aware but we actively shut down duplicate alter egos daily. There has been some instances where we catch double digits in a day. But again, our system normally catches 95% of duplicate alter egos immediately.

Like with anything, it's not perfect and sometimes one may slip through the cracks temporarily. You can be rest assured though that eventually they get too comfortable and make mistakes that give them away. At which time, we take action.

Thanks for understanding,

 

[theodore_zhou]

Shilling is rampant. I see it all the time between specific groups of friends. They always bid on each other's and never win. Hmmmm....

yes,before i was overbidding many times and later someone inside told me they are a group.
you can see the same domains are auctioned very often and so frequently.
i will not mention where they are from to avoid any prejudice,but i guess many of you know.
after that i almost lost interest in auctions.

 

[Eric Lyon]

There are still ways to detect true I.P's using proxies.

This is only true in circumstances where the proxy chooses to reveal their real IP in the request headers; those are not anonymous proxies, hence the name.

Many places have banned the use of proxies but NP allows them which allows members to create several accounts each.

Have you read our Terms of Service?

You agree not to use Tor, a VPN, SOCKS, or any other proxying mechanism ("proxy") that masks your computer's identity on the Internet ("IP address") unless such a proxy is necessary to access the Service.
Read more...​

Furthermore, we have many prevention mechanisms in place that make it impossible for most proxies to be used on NamePros that we built from scratch, but it's impossible to block them all.

 

[theodore_zhou]

i can understand.NP is doing pretty good,i think.
just as an old chinese saying:While the priest climbs a foot, the devil climbs ten

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

We were told, if you have any doubts, dont bid.
I will never bid on a name here, and i can go buy 100 names with no money in my pp, as they take it from a bank account. I could flip them for half, the pp comes back nsf your names go poof and so do i.
If i can do it anyone can
And yes the mods work hard but if the city gets bigger you hire more police.
We know who to trust, and its not the numerous duplicate accounts here on np. Evidence, haha. Even when there is evidence in this world,
There is no conviction.
Feel sorry for the honest newbies here.

 

[wwwweb]

Is this enough Eric?

The Seller and high bidder are the same person!


The high bidder has the same username as the sellers company?

Contact Information

Rj Management Group, LLC
2825 N Ricardo
Mesa, AZ 85215
Contact: Richard Tarjeft
Title:
Phone: 313-999-4957
Website:
Rj Management Group, LLC is the only company located at 2825 N Ricardo, Mesa, AZ 85215




http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Rj-Management-Group,-LLC-313-999-4957

 

[wwwweb]

Can you please provide proof of that claim? Our system is pretty accurate in detecting alter egos. With the occasional one that may slip though, but eventually gets caught. In this situation no duplicate accounts or alter egos were detected.

You may not be aware but we actively shut down duplicate alter egos daily. There has been some instances where we catch double digits in a day. But again, our system normally catches 95% of duplicate alter egos immediately.

Like with anything, it's not perfect and sometimes one may slip through the cracks temporarily. You can be rest assured though that eventually they get too comfortable and make mistakes that give them away. At which time, we take action.

Thanks for understanding,

I just did, now what?

http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Rj-Management-Group,-LLC-313-999-4957

 

[Eric Lyon]

Is this enough Eric?

The Seller and high bidder are the same person!

Contact Information

Rj Management Group, LLC
2825 N Ricardo
Mesa, AZ 85215
Contact: Richard Tarjeft
Title:
Phone: 313-999-4957
Website:
Rj Management Group, LLC is the only company located at 2825 N Ricardo, Mesa, AZ 85215




http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Rj-Management-Group,-LLC-313-999-4957

That appears to be the bidders information. The sellers name is: Richard Mathew. Just because they have the same first name doesn't make them the same person. Granted, one of the whois does have Richard Tarjeft listed, the one that hasn't updated (supposedly). All the other domains in the sellers signature are for: Richard Mathew.

I'll look more into this new information to see if anything else matches up.

Thanks,

 

[DaveX]

Is this enough Eric?

The Seller and high bidder are the same person!


The high bidder has the same username as the sellers company?

Contact Information

Rj Management Group, LLC
2825 N Ricardo
Mesa, AZ 85215
Contact: Richard Tarjeft
Title:
Phone: 313-999-4957
Website:
Rj Management Group, LLC is the only company located at 2825 N Ricardo, Mesa, AZ 85215




http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Rj-Management-Group,-LLC-313-999-4957

A huge coincidence. I would say they are from the same office. Without a doubt.

 

[wwwweb]

Thant appears to be the bidders information. The sellers name is: Richard Mathew. Just because they have the same first name doesn't make them the same person. Granted, one of the whois does have Richard Tarjeft listed, the one that hasn't updated (supposedly). All the other domains in the sellers signature are for: Richard Mathew.

I'll look more into this new information to see if anything else matches up.

Thanks,

The Whois on Iqtt.com
says Richard Tarjeft you better check!!!

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

I am just getting my gf to get her godaddy account working again.
Score some .99 names.
Maybe she should open an account here. Nothing wrong there.
Login only at macdonalds, make a few small buys. Cover my a$$ in case Developing.xyz flops at auction
Soon we will here that there has been an infraction, one acct closed and Resolved followed by

 

[Eric Lyon]

The Whois on Iqtt.com
says Richard Tarjeft you better check!!!

That's the bidders name not the sellers name.

Still looking

Thanks

 

[SirDrago]

Have you read our Terms of Service?

If everyone abided by the TOS we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Furthermore, we have many prevention mechanisms in place that make it impossible for "most" proxies to be used on NamePros that we built from scratch, but it's impossible to block them all.

Every time you build something someone will come along and build something to work around it...

Don't get me wrong Eric,
I love this site and I'm a daily user of it but there are ways to work around IP's which I can describe here which I'm not but if you're willing to allow me I can show you as long as this account isn't penalized???

 

[wwwweb]

Eric, I rest my case you can face off with the people that bid on the auction.

It is all there in black and white, have a nice night!

 

[TERADOMAIN]

Is this enough Eric?

The Seller and high bidder are the same person!


The high bidder has the same username as the sellers company?

Contact Information

Rj Management Group, LLC
2825 N Ricardo
Mesa, AZ 85215
Contact: Richard Tarjeft
Title:
Phone: 313-999-4957
Website:
Rj Management Group, LLC is the only company located at 2825 N Ricardo, Mesa, AZ 85215




http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Rj-Management-Group,-LLC-313-999-4957

 

[campout]

"Richard Mathew" and "Richard Tarjeft" showing up on same Whois for BHK.io

http://nic.io/go/whois/bhk.io

(scroll down to Billing contact to see "Tarjeft")

Nice catch on this one @DomainVP