Do you think that keyword domain names days ARE NUMBERED?

[NameOmnia]

Hi All,

I would like to hear from you about Keyword Domain Names vs Brandables.

Personally I think brandables are the future and the direction to take as more and more businesses and companies will spend money on making their name memorable and known. The only possible use I see for keyword rich ones is to redirect some traffic...

What do you think about this topic? Are brandables the present and the future of domain name industry? Or do you think keyword names will always be the main character of the movie?

I would love to post a poll with the thread but I have no idea about how to do it...

 

[Abdul Aziz R]

Well it's quite know that HIGH QUALITY BRANDABLES are those who " suggest " what the company is about or give an idea of what they are selling.

It's a big misunderstanding and mistake to think that putting some letters together makes a brandable!

brandable may be a generic words or a word hat was playing with its letters, in both you are right : "It's a big misunderstanding and mistake to think that putting some letters together makes a brandable"

but still there are brand names with no meaning at all just some letters together.

 

[McDuke]

Just newbies and those with gold rush dreams. We went over all of this in many other threads. If it was just great keywords, you can already get them now in other extensions on the cheap.

Well yeah no 50 year old guy is going to invest in something that wont come to fruition until he is dead or forgets he even has domains.

Edit: a brand name is only good if you have it in .com, if you have the .com you will want the shorter version.

Bodyshop.com ---> body.shop the latter looks way better for marketing :D

 

[NameOmnia]

So what's a Fyfth or Yaxxi?

If you don't see it yourself FYFTH is a play / typo of Fifth

and Yaxxi is a catchy names for those who wants to spend a bit more money in branding their names.

There are different levels of brandables as much as there are different levels of EMD.

Not a very elegant move yours though.

So curious to see your amazing portfolio...

 

[McDuke]

So what's a Fyfth or Yaxxi?

Yaxxi has grown on me over time, i like it now lol

 

[JB Lions]

If you don't see it yourself FYFTH is a play / typo of Fifth

and Yaxxi is a catchy names for those who wants to spend a bit more money in branding their names.

There are different levels of brandables as much as there are different levels of EMD.

Not a very elegant move yours though.

So curious to see your amazing portfolio...

Elegant? I was asking because your post was like an argument against many of the domains in your sig. Generally not a good idea to get a domain where there would be spelling confusion.

 

[SpareDomains]

Based on 11 years of only my own sales...

Seen some that like the brandables cause you can trademark them and then they inject marketing cash into them to make them known.

Also seen keyword buys where the natural flow of type in traffic is valuable and less marketing cash after the purchase is needed.

Also have seen a combo of buying both.

Personally I like keyword and keyword/brandables, would rather own a keyword with a few letters added on to make it distinguish what the site is about yet still able to trademark. Have pulled a few out of my portfolio and developed them and my keyword brandables still for sale get quite a few offers. Example would be instead of google, yahoo a name like Searchly where it's brandable but describes the generic aspect as well.

 

[NameOmnia]

Elegant? I was asking because your post was like an argument against many of the domains in your sig. Generally not a good idea to get a domain where there would be spelling confusion.

To be good brandables someone should be able to guess the spelling of the name at the second or third attempt; it seems to me both the names you picked up satisfy that requirement.

it might have been just a fluke that :
PHIVE went for more than 300 at Godaddy or

trinx.com 5,050 USD
erina.com 4,000 USD
proxie.com 4,000 USD
inicea.com 3,900 EUR
cisk.com 3,500 EUR
boosty.com 3,500 EUR
nextbig.com 3,000 USD
mobiled.com 2,750 USD
datie.com 2,495 USD
vicore.com 2,250 USD
avenium.com 2,000 USD
bizak.com 1,995 EUR
proxer.com 1,900 EUR
cryex.com 1,793 USD
banxe.com 1,599 USD
pekki.com 1,250 EUR
jius.com 1,150 EUR
mediquette.com 1,110 EUR
weview.com 1,000 USD
pupupu.com 1,000 EUR
akaneo.com 950 USD
twiing.com 900 EUR
helied.com 850 USD
mirello.com 750 EUR
jobsgu.com 700 USD


Some recent LLLLL sales...
http://www.dnsaleprice.com/SalePrice.aspx

 

[JB Lions]

If you have to guess 3 times after a hearing a name to get it right, the name probably sucks. It's not a good brandable to me. So I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[alien51]

trinx.com 5,050 USD
erina.com 4,000 USD
proxie.com 4,000 USD
inicea.com 3,900 EUR
cisk.com 3,500 EUR
boosty.com 3,500 EUR
nextbig.com 3,000 USD
mobiled.com 2,750 USD
datie.com 2,495 USD
vicore.com 2,250 USD
avenium.com 2,000 USD
bizak.com 1,995 EUR
proxer.com 1,900 EUR
cryex.com 1,793 USD
banxe.com 1,599 USD
pekki.com 1,250 EUR
jius.com 1,150 EUR
mediquette.com 1,110 EUR
weview.com 1,000 USD
pupupu.com 1,000 EUR
akaneo.com 950 USD
twiing.com 900 EUR
helied.com 850 USD
mirello.com 750 EUR
jobsgu.com 700 USD

The problem with brandables, is that there are so many possible options, a Domainer would run out of money trying to guess which one will sell.

Add to this the fact that many Domainers have no understanding of "cash flow" equations. They end up spending more money regging and renewing, than earning back from sales. By the time they realize their balance sheet sucks, they try to compensate for the loss by jacking up the asking prices of unsold domains in their portfolio, which in turn causes more potential buyers to balk and walk away, making it even harder to sell domains.

 

[equity78]

I think over the years newer domainers think a brandable is a M.U.P. Made Up Pronounceable like yaxxi. some think that is the only definition of brandable, they think of Amazon as a generic, which is true and not true as far as how the domain Amazon.com is used on the Internet.

@sparedomains you make a good point, those are the type that Margot from Brand Bucket said her clients have the most interest in. Brand Bucket certainly sells names like yaxxi but there is more demand for names like SearchLy.com. I remember I owned Cloudzo.com which I dropped because it just was not of great importance to me, I probably should have renewed as it probably fits the Brand Bucket customer, the suffix zo had sold plenty on there and it still had the main keyword Cloud there.

Look its a big world, what is more important for each domainer is can they pick good names and then can they sell or find the right person to sell for them. Plenty of people have good domains that they never sell because they can't sell or negotiate. Everyday there are people selling all kinds of names, is it for big money ? No, but if you are running things as a business every day is not a homerun, but you need singles too, to be a long term player in the business.

 

[NameOmnia]

If you have to guess 3 times after a hearing a name to get it right, the name probably sucks. It's not a good brandable to me. So I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

SERIOUSLY??? tell me how many brandables out there can be guessed at the first attempt..come on!
..you are disagreeing with BB too then...and they sold a million dollars in brandables in 2013...

If you are talking about 6-7 figure names I agree but as far as I know they sell for those prices because they are quite rare!!!

Even the spelling of many English dictionary words needs to be guessed as English language doesn't have many phonetic rules.
" ie " "i " " "y " at the end of a word sound all the same...for example.

proxie that has been sold for 4000 could have been proxy or proxi...Same for boosty.
pekki could have been pecki, pekky,pecky,pekkie..

you might to reconsider your point of view...

And personally I am pretty happy with a 4K sale..just saying...

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I think over the years newer domainers think a brandable is a M.U.P. Made Up Pronounceable like yaxxi. some think that is the only definition of brandable, they think of Amazon as a generic, which is true and not true as far as how the domain Amazon.com is used on the Internet.

@sparedomains you make a good point, those are the type that Margot from Brand Bucket said her clients have the most interest in. Brand Bucket certainly sells names like yaxxi but there is more demand for names like SearchLy.com. I remember I owned Cloudzo.com which I dropped because it just was not of great importance to me, I probably should have renewed as it probably fits the Brand Bucket customer, the suffix zo had sold plenty on there and it still had the main keyword Cloud there.

Look its a big world, what is more important for each domainer is can they pick good names and then can they sell or find the right person to sell for them. Plenty of people have good domains that they never sell because they can't sell or negotiate. Everyday there are people selling all kinds of names, is it for big money ? No, but if you are running things as a business every day is not a homerun, but you need singles too, to be a long term player in the business.

EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT WITH THIS POST I WROTE ABOVE!

Well it's quite know that HIGH QUALITY BRANDABLES are those who " suggest " what the company is about or give an idea of what they are selling.

It's a big misunderstanding and mistake to think that putting some letters together makes a brandable!

This is what urlurl wrote on another thread about brandables and I totally agree

Excellent: usually dictionary words with a brandable feel to it (craving, candy, smooth, etc)

Very Good: Marginal dictionary words and 2 short complimenting names (ipod, ebay, brandable, etc.)

Good: Quality spin on words or word combos with meanings (digg, groupon, snapchat, youtube, etc)

Ok: made up words or combos with the possible meanings. (twitter, Skype, etc)

Marginal: pronounceable random letter (sedo, google, etc.)

Poor: random letters, barely pronounceable no meaning. ( suxpu, cudox, etc.)

Very Poor: non pronounceable random letters (btowb, stnpr, lardc, etc.)

and btw yaxxi is not my only brandable. As i have always said I have some crappy ones, some nice ones and some I think are very good exactly like everyone else here...

 

[equity78]

My post was not directed at you Photon, I get 20 emails a week from brand new domainers that think brandable means M.U.P. only.

 

[NameOmnia]

My post was not directed at you Photon, I get 20 emails a week from brand new domainers that think brandable means M.U.P. only.

I know Equity. I know you are a nice guy!!!!

I was just underlining for JbLions ..

 

[equity78]

I also agree with you plenty in the English language can go more than one way, what matters is that you are in sync with the buyer. Give the people what they want.

Start up purchases Pekki for $4,000

Is at a party and says, "We got the name for our start up today Pekki.com "

Some people will go home and type in Pecky, some Peckie, some pekky and some pekkie.

 

[JB Lions]

you might to reconsider your point of view....

No. They suck if you struggle trying to figure out how to spell them. I'm not ever going to change my view on that. I'm not saying you can't find sales, I'm saying the people that bought them probably aren't the brightest people walking the planet. They probably should have thought of these issues before spending any money.

The list you posted, some of them are trademarks you can find at TESS. Some are redirected to somesite.jp. Looks like somebody got a list of foreign companies and bought up the .com if it wasn't regged. Some are just parked pages. Others don't even resolve. Some are just bad names, goes back to spelling issues.

Also, goes back to what alien51 said. There are endless possibilities with these types of domains. You can make these up all day long. Sure, you can find sales, but most will probably lose money on those types of names.

 

[NameOmnia]

I also agree with you plenty in the English language can go more than one way, what matters is that you are in sync with the buyer. Give the people what they want.

Start up purchases Pekki for $4,000

Is at a party and says, "We got the name for our start up today Pekki.com "

Some people will go home and type in Pecky, some Peckie, some pekky and some pekkie.

Thanks! :bingo::bingo::bingo:

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No. They suck if you struggle trying to figure out how to spell them. I'm not saying you can't find sales, I'm saying the people that bought them probably aren't the brightest people walking the planet. They probably should have thought of these issues before spending any money.

The list you posted, some of them are trademarks you can find at TESS. Some are redirected to somesite.jp. Looks like somebody got a list of foreign companies and bought up the .com if it wasn't regged. Some are just parked pages. Others don't even resolve. Some are just bad names, goes back to spelling issues.

As long as they sell...

Honestly I think NOONE is in the position of saying a brandable name is a crap. You can say you don't like it or that you wouldn't buy it but unless you know " the truth " about domains you are not in the position of judging someone else's work.

A domain is worthy as much as someone is willing to pay; those domains sold consequently are much better than any " great" domain that doesn't sell.

Beside that, my thread is about the present and future directions to take in the domain industry. Keyword, Brandables or both. I didn't ask anyone to judge other people's names so please don't post off topic

 

[McDuke]

This is one more reason why short and brandable names will be the kings!
http://en.siter.com/advantages

That is cool. :kickass:

 

[JB Lions]

Beside that, my thread is about the present and future directions to take in the domain industry. Keyword, Brandables or both. I didn't ask anyone to judge other people's names so please don't post off topic

Actually you did. You started off saying some crazy stuff about keyword domains. Asking if their days are numbered, and penalized nonsense. You are into those other types of domains you mention in your first post and one of your posts read to me, you were actually making an argument against them. So I asked about it. That's on topic. If you don't want other people's opinions, then don't start a thread asking for them.

 

[NameOmnia]

Actually, it said some crazy stuff about keyword domains. Days are numbered, penalized nonsense. My post was on topic. You have those type of domains, you were making an argument against them, it read to me. So I asked about it. Don't be so sensitive in the future or add me to your block list if you can't handle another person's opinion.

Being sensitive is not the right word here. The discussion was general but the moment you made the elegant and smart comment about my names you turned it into a personal subject as it's about my work.
It was neither asked or necessary, consequently not welcome and off topic.

And so that you know it, what I can't really stand is not someone else's opinion ( as to have them is the main reason I started this thread..in case you missed it ) but those people who don't have anything constructive and worthy to say so they go around just bringing down and judging...

As for " the crazy stuff " I said, well in my world not ranking as well as before or not being helped by google anymore ( or not as much as before the last changes and updates ) means being penalized.

Good to know that you disagree about it.

 

[JB Lions]

Being sensitive is not the right word here. The discussion was general but the moment you made the elegant and smart comment about my names you turned it into a personal subject as it's about my work.
It was neither asked or necessary, consequently not welcome and off topic.

And so that you know it, what I can't really stand is not someone else's opinion ( as to have them is the main reason I started this thread..in case you missed it ) but those people who don't have anything constructive and worthy to say so they go around just bringing down and judging...

As for " the crazy stuff " I said, well in my world not ranking as well as before or not being helped by google anymore ( or not as much as before the last changes and updates ) means being penalized.

Good to know that you disagree about it.

Your work? Well, the domains are in your sig. The domains are exactly what you're discussing, so they're in play. And again, it's not off topic, because it's what you're talking about.

Bringing down and judging are sensitive words. I was just having a discussion, on topic, that you took personally.

As far as your world and not ranking. As I pointed out, it had nothing to do with them solely being keyword domains. It had to do with crap sites, that happened to be on keyword domains.