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Having relatives and friends scattered all over the globe, I am getting an overload of input (some on the record and some off the record).

My intention for this thread is for community members from around the world to post first hand stories and/or links to information sources that, for the most part, should be reliable.

In my community, just outside a major southeastern city, 'assets' have been placed. Only because I have friends in both high and low places have I heard about some of this. At this point it is only some basic medical supplies that should be equally distributed anyway in preparation for a natural emergency (hurricane/wildfire/etc.).

I will start with posting a link to a site with current data that seems to come from an aggregate of sources and hope others will do the same as they come across similar sites/pages.

Because of the 'typhoid Mary' spread-ability of this disease, I feel we may be in for a really large spread globally which will impact the global economy and through extension, retail domain prices.

One thing is for sure...things will get worse before they get better.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus/
 
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‘The net is gone’: All of Idaho in crisis standards of care amid ‘unabated’ COVID spread

In a stark indication of the severity of Idaho’s COVID-19 crisis, state health officials activated a last-resort measure on Thursday that allows hospitals across the state to ration care as needed because of an unmanageable influx of patients.

The implications of the decision are stark, allowing medical professionals to prioritize patients most likely to recover and withhold what could be lifesaving treatments from patients deemed unlikely to survive — all because the spread of the virus in a poorly vaccinated state means there are not enough resources to provide adequate care for all.

Although the Department of Health and Welfare on Thursday approved the change, called crisis standards of care, not all health care systems will implement the standards immediately, because those decisions are made on an individual basis. St. Luke’s Health System, which requested Wednesday that the crisis standards be enacted, has begun activating the measures at its hospitals, while Saint Alphonsus is operating “at the most extreme contingency standards,” which is the level of care below the crisis level, according to Dr. Steven Nemerson, chief medical officer for Saint Al’s.

The standards were created in June 2020 as a plan to strategically ration health care should the need arise for hospitals that became overwhelmed. The state’s guidelines for rationing care emphasize that hospitals must shift the priority from offering the best care to each individual patient to saving the most lives.

“The situation is dire — we don’t have enough resources to adequately treat the patients in our hospitals, whether you are there for COVID-19 or a heart attack or because of a car accident,” Department of Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in a news release Thursday. (more)

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article254293958.html
 
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seeing as covid is a virus …

... It would be the most efficient and best way to control a pandemic IMO

You're right, people have been fed too many mixed messages about vaccines, from micro-chips to fubar.

IMO the best way to control a pandemic today is to listen to science...an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 

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Interim Estimates of COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department or Urgent Care Clinic Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Nine States, June–August 2021

Among adults hospitalized with COVID-19–like illness (14,636; median patient age = 65 years, interquartile range [IQR] = 48–77 years), laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections were identified among 18.9% (1,316 of 6,960) of unvaccinated and 3.1% (235 of 7,676) of fully vaccinated patients. Overall, VE against COVID-19 hospitalization was 86% (95% CI = 82%–89%). VE was significantly lower among adults aged ≥75 years (76%) than among those aged 18–74 years (89%) (Table). The difference in VE point estimates between age groups was similar for Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. Across all ages, VE was significantly higher among Moderna vaccine recipients (95%) than among Pfizer-BioNTech (80%) or Janssen (60%) vaccine recipients.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7037e2-H.pdf
 

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‘The net is gone’: All of Idaho in crisis standards of care amid ‘unabated’ COVID spread

In a stark indication of the severity of Idaho’s COVID-19 crisis, state health officials activated a last-resort measure on Thursday that allows hospitals across the state to ration care as needed because of an unmanageable influx of patients.

The implications of the decision are stark, allowing medical professionals to prioritize patients most likely to recover and withhold what could be lifesaving treatments from patients deemed unlikely to survive — all because the spread of the virus in a poorly vaccinated state means there are not enough resources to provide adequate care for all.

Although the Department of Health and Welfare on Thursday approved the change, called crisis standards of care, not all health care systems will implement the standards immediately, because those decisions are made on an individual basis. St. Luke’s Health System, which requested Wednesday that the crisis standards be enacted, has begun activating the measures at its hospitals, while Saint Alphonsus is operating “at the most extreme contingency standards,” which is the level of care below the crisis level, according to Dr. Steven Nemerson, chief medical officer for Saint Al’s.

The standards were created in June 2020 as a plan to strategically ration health care should the need arise for hospitals that became overwhelmed. The state’s guidelines for rationing care emphasize that hospitals must shift the priority from offering the best care to each individual patient to saving the most lives.

“The situation is dire — we don’t have enough resources to adequately treat the patients in our hospitals, whether you are there for COVID-19 or a heart attack or because of a car accident,” Department of Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in a news release Thursday. (more)

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article254293958.html

"Though each hospital’s crisis plan is slightly different, the state’s guidelines indicate that hospitals may begin ranking patients based on the severity of their conditions, the likelihood of their survival and the the number of years they have left to live.

One strategy for when ventilator supplies are scarce even includes implementing a universal do-not-resuscitate order on adults who experience cardiac arrest in a hospital, because of the low chance of survival and risk of aerosol spread to health care workers, according to the state guidelines."

Who actually makes that decision to prioritise each patient? I hope it is not left to the poor nurses.
 
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You're right, people have been fed too many mixed messages about vaccines, from micro-chips to fubar.

IMO the best way to control a pandemic today is to listen to science...an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Having watched some TV interviewers recently still trying to get clear in their own heads certain covid facts:

Listen to the science, but maybe have someone other than scientists, maybe even other than med people, present it. Someone who can really do a good job of dealing with conveying info understandably, and can really do a good job of dealing with misinfo.

Just a thought.
 
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Cal2

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Interim Estimates of COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department or Urgent Care Clinic Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Nine States, June–August 2021

Among adults hospitalized with COVID-19–like illness (14,636; median patient age = 65 years, interquartile range [IQR] = 48–77 years), laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections were identified among 18.9% (1,316 of 6,960) of unvaccinated and 3.1% (235 of 7,676) of fully vaccinated patients. Overall, VE against COVID-19 hospitalization was 86% (95% CI = 82%–89%). VE was significantly lower among adults aged ≥75 years (76%) than among those aged 18–74 years (89%) (Table). The difference in VE point estimates between age groups was similar for Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. Across all ages, VE was significantly higher among Moderna vaccine recipients (95%) than among Pfizer-BioNTech (80%) or Janssen (60%) vaccine recipients.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7037e2-H.pdf

This reads like what I posted previously - Moderna uses 100 micrograms in their shots and Pfizer uses 30. Pfizer scientist said the 30 was to 'reduce side effects'. I was thinking that maybe the 30 was possibly more about 'profit before protection'. And maybe gaining market share quickly, by stretching out limited supply. I hope not.
 

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Having watched some TV interviewers recently still trying to get clear in their own heads certain covid facts:

Listen to the science, but maybe have someone other than scientists, maybe even med people, present it. Someone who can really do a good job of dealing with conveying info understandably, and can really do a good job of dealing with misinfo.

Just a thought.

A good thought!

I think most of us are over layman information from journos, and even moonlighting scientists and doctors who don't actually specialise in that particular field.

I want articles and opinion pieces from the scientists and doctors qualified in the field who are also good communicators.

There have been some great articles written by these types and posted here over the previous 18 months. I've noticed that TheConversation has been a good source for these types of articles.
 
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Articles like this one from today's edition:

When COVID patients are intubated in ICU, the trauma can stay with them long after this breathing emergency

By: Deb Massey - Associate Professor, Faculty of Health, School of Nursing, Southern Cross University. Disclosure statement: Deb Massey is also a Registered Nurse, Intensive Care Unit, John Flynn Hospital.


The current wave of COVID cases is leading to more hospital and intensive care (ICU) admissions. Frontline health workers and experts use the term “intubation” for the extra breathing support some patients need in an emergency.

But many people don’t know what this procedure involves and the trauma it can cause.
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Patients with COVID-19 who require intubation and ventilation have witnessed a number of stressful events in the ICU, such as emergency resuscitation procedures and deaths. This may increase the risk of post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, and depression.

Read the full article:
https://theconversation.com/when-co...em-long-after-this-breathing-emergency-167361




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Cannuck

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Having watched some TV interviewers recently still trying to get clear in their own heads certain covid facts:

Listen to the science, but maybe have someone other than scientists, maybe even med people, present it. Someone who can really do a good job of dealing with conveying info understandably, and can really do a good job of dealing with misinfo.

"During WWII there was a sensibility that permeated all of society which was: Do you're part we're all in this together." - Tom Hanks

 
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You're right, people have been fed too many mixed messages about vaccines, from micro-chips to fubar.

IMO the best way to control a pandemic today is to listen to science...an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I have listened to science and wavered my decision … my final decision was not to take the covid - 19 vaccine .. that decision should be respected by people just as much as the respect I give to the people who chose to take the vaccination. …unfortunately that is not the case .. but is what it is … I have had Covid so many times through out my life time .. not 19 .. but plenty of covid occurrences .. my last was a very bad cold .. the one before that was the H1N1 influenza which was a pandemic ..
 
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Flattening the COVID curve: 3 weeks of tougher lockdowns in Sydney’s hotspots halved expected case numbers

In a pandemic, you expect that as new public health measures are introduced, there’s an observable impact on the spread of the disease.

... In Sydney’s current second wave, none of the increased restrictions seemed to directly decrease the spread of COVID-19. Until now.

Our modelling shows the curfew with the other restrictions introduced on the August 23 in the 12 local government areas (LGAs) of concern has worked to halt the rise in cases.

And this wasn’t due to the level of vaccinations achieved so far. It suggests other LGAs with rising case numbers should not rely solely on vaccination to cut case numbers in the short to medium term. They may need to tighten restrictions to get outbreaks under control.

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Read the full article:

https://theconversation.com/flatten...-hotspots-halved-expected-case-numbers-167778
 

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New study finds Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine is most effective against hospitalizations

New data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine was the most effective against preventing COVID-related hospitalization over a recent five-month period, compared to the other two authorized and approved vaccines.

According to the study, Moderna's vaccine was 93% effective at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations, compared to 88% for the Pfizer vaccine and 71% for Johnson and Johnson's. Researchers assessed data from more than 3,600 hospitalized adults across 21 hospitals in 18 states from March 2021 through the middle of August

Through the first four months after being fully vaccinated, Moderna and Pfizer's vaccines were found to have nearly the same efficacy against hospitalizations, but then it began to wane for the Pfizer vaccine, dropping from 91% in the first four months to 77% afterward. Moderna's efficacy against hospitalization dropped only 1 percentage point after four months. (more)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-efficacy-study-pfizer-moderna-johnson-and-johnson/
 

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New study finds Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine is most effective against hospitalizations

New data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine was the most effective against preventing COVID-related hospitalization over a recent five-month period, compared to the other two authorized and approved vaccines.

According to the study, Moderna's vaccine was 93% effective at preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations, compared to 88% for the Pfizer vaccine and 71% for Johnson and Johnson's. Researchers assessed data from more than 3,600 hospitalized adults across 21 hospitals in 18 states from March 2021 through the middle of August

Through the first four months after being fully vaccinated, Moderna and Pfizer's vaccines were found to have nearly the same efficacy against hospitalizations, but then it began to wane for the Pfizer vaccine, dropping from 91% in the first four months to 77% afterward. Moderna's efficacy against hospitalization dropped only 1 percentage point after four months. (more)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-efficacy-study-pfizer-moderna-johnson-and-johnson/

I was talking to a pharmacist yesterday and asked which one she got - Pfizer or Moderna. She said Moderna. It was her preferred one.

We're getting a Moderna plant in Canada.
 

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When COVID patients are intubated in ICU, the trauma can stay with them long after this breathing emergency
Yes, but at that point, if they are not intubated, they die, that's what happens.
Intubation is the last resort to keep someone alive because if it isn't for the extra oxygen, they will just die.
It may cause damage, but at least it saves your life.
 

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Current Covid19 death numbers as of 9:00 am EST are below, primarily from the source in the original post (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus). If your country of interest is not listed below, simply go to the link above to do a search for relevant information.

Total: 4,695,236
United States: 690,715
Brazil: 589,744
India: 444,563
Russia: 197,425
United Kingdom: 134,983
France: 115,960
Italy: 130,233
Spain: 85,783
Mexico: 270,538
Poland: 75,487
South Africa: 85,952
Indonesia: 140,323
Netherlands: 18,107
Canada: 27,370
Chile: 37,318
Belgium: 25,497
Philippines: 36,583
Japan : 17,097
Bolivia: 18,648
Australia: 1,148
Peru: 198,948
 

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Alberta health care unions call for federal assistance for overwhelmed

It is our assessment that Alberta’s health care system is not just “on the verge” of collapse – we believe it’s actually collapsing in front of our eyes. There are no more nurses in our province who can be deployed. There are no more paramedics. There are no more respiratory therapists. There are no more support staff. The tank is empty. The well is dry.

https://www.scribd.com/document/526...-federal-assistance-for-overwhelmed-hospitals
 

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It is our assessment that Alberta’s health care system is not just “on the verge” of collapse – we believe it’s actually collapsing in front of our eyes. There are no more nurses in our province who can be deployed. There are no more paramedics. There are no more respiratory therapists. There are no more support staff. The tank is empty. The well is dry.

This is really scary, as are some of the things going on here in the U.S. It looks as though the toll from Covid is casting a wide net and will affect many others besides those infected with the virus.
 
I look at this thread and then try not to. After having a laugh, posts here want to make me cry. All domainers with enough time to come on a forum just to share MSM propaganda. Thought more people by now would become critical on how all this covid and response is being handled. I'm from Alberta and have two family members working in nursing.

Today’s Quotes From the Nurses from a different platform:
UAH nurse post today:
“I am working today and we have had a whopping 5 patients max in the emergency waiting room all day….so overrun.”

“I have a friend who works at the UofA and she said the same thing , barely any patients.”

“Same thing at the Mis! Empty beds in ICU and CCU”

“The Mis sends a sheet out to every unit that states hospital capacity. But I have seen those sheets. Today the numbers showed empty beds in ICU CCU and a closed unit!!!”

“Thank you for sharing this!! I wish the media would come out and show this im so sick of my family talking down to me telling me I'm lying about empty beds because the news says different.
Sad is if anyone does share this they are just going to be called a lier because the media and news says different:(

”Is it true that some nurses are not giving proper care to the unvaxxed patients?”
2.”I work in icu. I can confirm that this is true. Both from a direct care perspective and also verbalization of having “no empathy”, “compassion fatigue”, “get f**ing V already” etc.”
3.”I have heard that an older man in hospital unvaccinated ( don't know if he has actually hasnt had any vsccines) is asking his family and friends to come get him out cause of the disrespect and no care given.”
 

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I look at this thread and then try not to. After having a laugh, posts here want to make me cry. All domainers with enough time to come on a forum just to share MSM propaganda.

Are you saying that The Alberta Federation of Labour and the four largest health care unions, representing 100,000 workers, is lying and that it is all just MSM propaganda? O_o
 
Are you saying that The Alberta Federation of Labour and the four largest health care unions, representing 100,000 workers, is lying and that it is all just MSM propaganda? O_o

It only takes few people at the top to lie and manipulate stats, tests, protocols. MSM have done their job dividing people to the point of hate and discrimination.

UNA might be using this as a bargaining chip in wage negotiations and their leadership probably has a plan for nursing staff who doesn't want to vaccinate. About 50% doesn't participate in the annual flu shots for example. All top health bureaucracies are pushing this narrative and they will not tolerate health workers going against it.

MSM propaganda here is ongoing just like everywhere else, never giving opposition a voice while casting them in the worst possible light.

Maybe the federal gov made some backroom deal with provinces and it looks bad for the premier of Alberta to bring in vax passports as his base is conservative and his approval is sinking to the point of triggering a review.
 
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Alberta Health Services announced some days back that employees, including frontline healthcare workers, will have to get vaccinated against covid Oct. 31 the second dose to be in compliance of the new policy is Oct. 16.
Maybe this is why they are upping the fear campaign to get Red Cross and the Military involved in case there is a need to replace unvaxxed employees.

When I checked the hospitalizations stats minus the covid label for last few years they looked the same, covid didn't affect anything differently.

How the stats for "pandemic of the unvaccinated" is created here:

All patients are asked whether or not they received the CV19 vax, no matter what issue it is that brought them into the ER.

If the patient received the vax less than 14 days prior, they are recorded as "Un-Vaxxed"
The story the nurses are being given, is that this is done because the vax takes 14 days to start working.

While what ER nurses are observing is that most patients coming in with what appears to be vaccine injuries are coming in within 72 hours of receiving the jab. By recording these patients as "Un-Vaxxed" they can do a few things:
  • one, they can claim those vax injuries are a result of Covid & not the shot
  • two, they can bury the vaccine injury
  • three, they get to claim there's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated"
Also nurses are being required to sign nondisclosure agreements, promising not to publicly discuss any procedures dealing with CV19

Canada could use Project Veritas type of reporting.
 

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It only takes few people at the top to lie and manipulate stats, tests, protocols. MSM have done their job dividing people to the point of hate and discrimination.

UNA might be using this as a bargaining chip in wage negotiations and their leadership probably has a plan for nursing staff who doesn't want to vaccinate. About 50% doesn't participate in the annual flu shots for example. All top health bureaucracies are pushing this narrative and they will not tolerate health workers going against it.

MSM propaganda here is ongoing just like everywhere else, never giving opposition a voice while casting them in the worst possible light.

Maybe the federal gov made some backroom deal with provinces and it looks bad for the premier of Alberta to bring in vax passports as his base is conservative and his approval is sinking to the point of triggering a review.

A lot of mights and maybes there...

I find it difficult to believe that Unions would use death as a bargaining chip. Transporting critically ill half way across the country? If what you say is true, there are beds and medical staff available to meet the needs of Albertans, so why the call for help?


Keep it simple: get vaccinated.
 
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