.COM will lose ground to xxxx.travel xxxx.news xxxx.ibm xxxx.mcdonalds?

[mathewka010]

Hi All NP'ers,

Having researched a little on the progression and development of ICANN's new proposal for TOP LEVEL DOMAINS- xxxx.weather xxxx.ibm xxxx.jobs xxxx.australia are we now going to see a new leader in the race for technology success!

Im currently in two minds and would love to hear everyones thoughts!

Thanks Mat

 

[DMTRX]

This thread should be renamed the The official .Pro thread.

 

[labrocca]

Glad everyone liked my analogy of cities to TLD's. lol

akcampbell - I gotta tell you that you have my respect. Not because you back .pro but for how you do it. Your arguments are strong and tempered. You use facts and good comparisons. You realize that you're outside the norm and you embrace it. Power to you bro for your integrity and drive. I don't think anyone here questions if you (maybe only you) will make money from PRO. You have an obvious niche market that you are specializing in...you're a pro .pro.

 

[cityforums.com]

akcampbell -

I echo what Jesse just said.

Question ... what are your views on .md ?

If you were targeting doctors or seekers of medical help

would .pro or .md make better sense ?

Anthony

 

[JoshuaPz]

Glad everyone liked my analogy of cities to TLD's. lol

akcampbell - I gotta tell you that you have my respect. Not because you back .pro but for how you do it. Your arguments are strong and tempered. You use facts and good comparisons. You realize that you're outside the norm and you embrace it. Power to you bro for your integrity and drive. I don't think anyone here questions if you (maybe only you) will make money from PRO. You have an obvious niche market that you are specializing in...you're a pro .pro.

Amen to that. The domaining industry needs more people like Mr. Campbell. +1 for you both.

 

[jmcc]

That's true but it doesn't mean you shouldn't invest in it.

I just look at the stats and how domains are used.

If I invest in a company, I'm looking for one that will grow it's market share relatively faster than other companies.

Growth is relative in this case. I think I remember reading the .pro registry's application and it was making all sorts of grandiose claims about how it was going to take a major share of the market and was basing its growth projections on the growth of .com TLD. In terms of recognition, I doubt if most people are even aware that .pro exists. The trends in domains over the last few years have been towards the main TLDs and for the majority of developed countries that means towards the ccTLDs and .com. The gTLDs are not first choice extensions. This pattern of concentration on ccTLD/.com will, I think, continue.

The market has changed significantly since .pro was launched and there is an even greater focus on ccTLDs now. However .pro has a curious attraction for domainers in that it is a kind of niche extension. Even with reduced restrictions, I don't know if .pro has the capability to become a major player. A few years ago, I might have thought that it had the potential to do so. But the rapid growth of ccTLDs over the last few years has made it very difficult for even the existing gTLDs to maintain their market share.

If you strip out the gTLD's that are clearly not intended for commercial use, .pro is the 6th oldest behind .com, .net, .org, .info. and .biz. Out of that list, .biz is ugly, .info isn't particularly brandable (I was one of first people to pay $XX,XXX for .infos so that isn't intended as a criticism), and .org is arguably intended for non-commercial use. For such a lightly regged extension, .pro keeps good company and it will have an ageing head start on all the new gTLD's ICANN is planning.

The .biz gTLD is still plodding along with around 2M registrations. That's not bad for an ugly gTLD. The .org TLD is growing rapidly and was the first to kill off domain tasting. The .info gTLD is a subsidised extension and I think that a lot of its volume depends on the continuation of those subsidies

I'm very cynical about these new ICANN gTLDs. Beyond some of the city gTLDs, I think that many of them are going to end up as expensive failures. However they will make money for ICANN and perhaps, some of their backers. The domainers and the endusers will be the ones paying.

Regards...jmcc

 

[blacknight]

I'm very cynical about these new ICANN gTLDs. Beyond some of the city gTLDs, I think that many of them are going to end up as expensive failures. However they will make money for ICANN and perhaps, some of their backers. The domainers and the endusers will be the ones paying.

Regards...jmcc

Some of the new TLD projects are wonderful concepts, others are seriously flawed.

Some will probably succeed - though for many of the community style TLDs the success will be within their user community ie. not in the numbers

Others will fail miserably

 

[mathewka010]

Has your stance changed since this was first posted?

Mine has a little, I do believe the .com will weaken a little in the short term, and in the longer term I firmly believe the Premium gTLD's will strengthen!

I find myself already effectively visiting websites using generic keywords, something a little like this; about.museum, about.xxx, about.jobs I think you get the idea. Mind you some of the early Premium gTLD's registrars didnt think this way, however the new comers to this space seem to be where the money is! The funny thing there are still quite a few 'about.ccTLD's available http://www.eurodns.com/ you will see here.

Honestly i'd love to register one or more new Premium gTLD's, the initial buy in price tag of around total $185k is a bit on the high side.

Being a well educated crowdfunder this article caught my attention. http://domainnamewire.com/2011/10/13/hiv-domain-name-initiative-turns-to-crowd-funding/

Anyone for some crowdfunding a Premium gTLD?

Anyways as always in my IMHO
Mat
P.S I'd be happy to chat via PM, send me any questions or feedback.

 

[gemstar]

There will always be a "Ferrari" And there will always be a "Kit Car"

:wave:

 

[mathewka010]

There will always be a "Ferrari" And there will always be a "Kit Car"

:wave:

Well said, respectively .Ferrari and Ferrari.com

 

[MeanerDomainer]

When markets are flooded with turds spray painted with gold color, it certainly does not hurt the value of real gold.
The more "random" extensions are added, the more valuable the extension that has recognizion and is memorable becomes.
Domainers will collectively throw away countelss millions on new turd extensions.
From a domainer perspective, they should just save domainers time and money and call the extensions .turd1, .turd2, .turd3,...
Yes, I can see why a company might want to own .coke or .ferrari for branding or vanity purposes, but they are not likey to sell sex.coke or porn.ferrari to you and even if they did, you would still have to invest way too much into promoting it.

 

[mathewka010]

When markets are flooded with turds spray painted with gold color, it certainly does not hurt the value of real gold.
The more "random" extensions are added, the more valuable the extension that has recognizion and is memorable becomes.
Domainers will collectively throw away countelss millions on new turd extensions.
From a domainer perspective, they should just save domainers time and money and call the extensions .turd1, .turd2, .turd3,...
Yes, I can see why a company might want to own .coke or .ferrari for branding or vanity purposes, but they are not likey to sell sex.coke or porn.ferrari to you and even if they did, you would still have to invest way too much into promoting it.

IMO i believe the line has been drawn for the Big fish (Large companies) and little fish (small companies). Clearly the Premium .gTLD's will not be for everyone. The way I see it is the large companies with cash are being forced to purchase a new .gTLD if they dont someone else might which may bring expensive court costs to fight their marks. I dont recall reading anything on ICANN about a .mcddonald or .coke being protected or waived for companies who have marks on these words.

Agree or disagree in all this discussion I'm opened minded and very interested at the development of these new Premium gTLD's.

 

[Archangel]

There is no logical point to these silly 'brand' TLD's. What's the point or even good in a .mcdonalds? THERE IS NONE lol It's just a foolish move by companies who are too stupid to believe the average Joe won't take them & in some way smear the trademark.

For those who get them to USE: the point is even less. I suppose these companies are so Internet-challenged that they can't figure out how to use sub-domains.

IMO i believe the line has been drawn for the Big fish (Large companies) and little fish (small companies). Clearly the Premium .gTLD's will not be for everyone. The way I see it is the large companies with cash are being forced to purchase a new .gTLD if they dont someone else might which may bring expensive court costs to fight their marks. I dont recall reading anything on ICANN about a .mcddonald or .coke being protected or waived for companies who have marks on these words.

Agree or disagree in all this discussion I'm opened minded and very interested at the development of these new Premium gTLD's.

 

[mathewka010]

There is no logical point to these silly 'brand' TLD's. What's the point or even good in a .mcdonalds? THERE IS NONE lol It's just a foolish move by companies who are too stupid to believe the average Joe won't take them & in some way smear the trademark.

For those who get them to USE: the point is even less. I suppose these companies are so Internet-challenged that they can't figure out how to use sub-domains.

Only time will tell now, as the food gates have been opened.........

 

[mathewka010]

There is no logical point to these silly 'brand' TLD's. What's the point or even good in a .mcdonalds? THERE IS NONE lol It's just a foolish move by companies who are too stupid to believe the average Joe won't take them & in some way smear the trademark.

For those who get them to USE: the point is even less. I suppose these companies are so Internet-challenged that they can't figure out how to use sub-domains.

Update!

Might be no logical point however to-date there are 840 plus registered users of the apllication system for the New gTLD's

I doubt it, although if these registered users all succeed ICANN will stand to pocket alot of money!

mat

 

[DnEbook]

run ........... here come the gtld's

 

[thepurplecow]

I don't think any gTLDs will have an impact on .com's any time soon. Companies will continue using .com's no matter what happens IMO.

.com is ingrained on the mind of everyone who browses the web, and will always be their first port of call.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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For a time, .com will still be King.

However, I do foresee companies branding their products with .ourbrand gtlds, using their own restricted brand gtlds to build trust with their consumers/users. Eventually, web users will figure out that going to an .ourbrand site will be safe.

Then all unrestricted gtlds will be seen as an "anything goes" place, a spammers/scammers paradise.

A caveat here: if the company decides to become an unrestricted registrar (greed) and allow the unwashed masses to register domains, then it just becomes another gtld with all the attending problems.

But I doubt very much if companies will be willing to risk their brand name to probable criminal activity.

You and I, however, will NOT make money on the vanity/branded gtlds.

*

 

[Kate]

.com is ingrained on the mind of everyone who browses the web, and will always be their first port of call.

And the ccTLDs...

You and I, however, will NOT make money on the vanity/branded gtlds.

That's the bottom line.

 

[lennco]

.COM will Always be king, but certain TLDs will be dominate like .DE but for the most part the more TLDs there are the more confused the general public will be.

Too much of anything can be a bad thing.
Except for fun, there can never be too much fun

 

[Kate]

.COM will Always be king, but certain TLDs will be dominate like .DE but for the most part the more TLDs there are the more confused the general public will be.

Why just .de ? Quite a few countries are already using their ccTLDs extensively, even shunning .com.
Fore example .nl has more registrations per capita then .de.
So you can bet that the ongoing gTLD game will not have a huge impact in all those countries.

 

[lennco]

Why just .de ? Quite a few countries are already using their ccTLDs extensively, even shunning .com.
Fore example .nl has more registrations per capita then .de.
So you can bet that the ongoing gTLD game will not have a huge impact in all those countries.

I didn't say "Just" .De, I said "Like" .DE
Big difference.

Yes a lot of country codes are popular, not .US as much but a lot are.
But .travel and so on just muddies the waters imho.

 

[mathewka010]

welcome to the industrial age of the web IMHO

 

[theSun]

Not when .mars will be approved with ICANN later!! No one can beat .mars!! woohoo!!