Chinese LLLL.com bubble!?

[freezer]

Is it a somewhat good estimate that
chinese LLLL.com premiums are at at least $1billion value today?
Unlike Number .coms chinese premium LLLL.com boomed in value in a very short period.
Will they hold their value or is it the biggest BUBBLE ever seen in domains?

Share your thoughts please

 

[Galleshem]

Is there somewhere that has the definitions / examples of what the different LLLL types are? I've seen these terms thrown around:

Anti Premium
Single Premium
Double Premium
Triple Premium
Quad Premium
Chinese Premium
Pinyin
Vowel-less + no V

I think that covers them all.. Any reference site with examples of each? Thanks!

These are the letters that are considered "non premium": J, Q, U, V, W, X, Y, Z
Anti premium = only non premium letters
Single premium = 1 premium letters (everything besides the ones I listed before)
Double premium = 2 premium letters
Triple premium = 3 premium letters
Quad premium = only premium letters
Chinese premium = no A, O, I, E, U, V
Pinyin = 2 chinese words (?)

 

[Optimal Names]

These are the letters that are considered "non premium": J, Q, U, V, W, X, Y, Z
Anti premium = only non premium letters
Single premium = 1 premium letters (everything besides the ones I listed before)
Double premium = 2 premium letters
Triple premium = 3 premium letters
Quad premium = only premium letters
Chinese premium = no A, O, I, E, U, V
Pinyin = 2 chinese words (?)

Thank you!

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

lol yeah I'm a troll sure. Hey NemO. here's a hint. 4.cn is huge but it's not the only game in town now is it? There's tons of chinese 4.cn "like" websites. no need to hate just because you haven't found them and I have. but still I wouldn't buy those domains. I'm still learning though. I have feeling these LLLL domains are being sold by desperate people who have no idea what they have and they are listing their LLLL in obscure chinese domain auction sites that are even hard to find via search engine. someone are just promoted on other chinese websites but the deals are there. and nope not going to screenshot it just so you can figure it out. I know clever you people are. with my luck I'll give too many clues if I haven't already. and the "bully" tactic just so I'll spill the beans on what I stumbled on is kinda infantile. Why should I help you guys "cheat" when I took the time to do the research? are you kidding right now? I'll look at the domains "over there" and see if it's worth it. you'll see my auctions on here soon enough. in the meantime....Have a COKE AND A SMILE:D

 

[Nem0]

It is 1st time in domains I see such extreme spike in prices in such a short time period for so many names.
It will indeed be an interesting wait to see what are the prices in some months and forward. It looks like a bubble, but i hesitate to be too sure.
Just curious, did anyone see some random chinese premium sale for like $2k+ anywhere?
Im not talking quad premiums or domains like ZGGZ style etc just some that appear random like wzlk . com etc

Haven't seen your freezer name around here in a long time.

I don't think it's a bubble like the early '08 one because there are probably thousands if not tens of thousands more domain investors today compared to back then. I predict prices hold steady and continue to climb, as China internet penetration continues to climb (and at a staggering rate).

As per your last question, xwlb.com is pretty random and it sold for $2350 at GD auction two days ago. Khys.com did $2350 a couple weeks ago at Sedo.

 

[Nem0]

Avtar you can go away now, you are irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[Nem0]

Is there somewhere that has the definitions / examples of what the different LLLL types are? I've seen these terms thrown around:

Anti Premium
Single Premium
Double Premium
Triple Premium
Quad Premium
Chinese Premium
Pinyin
Vowel-less + no V

I think that covers them all.. Any reference site with examples of each? Thanks!

Yeah bro, go to llllsales.com and use the sorting features on the sidebar. They will show you thousands of examples of each particular kind of LLLL.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

actually if these LLLL.com's really are valuable why sell them here? might as well sell them where I can get top dollar on Sedo or Godaddy right?

 

[forge]

As per your last question, xwlb.com is pretty random and it sold for $2350 at GD auction two days ago. Khys.com did $2350 a couple weeks ago at Sedo.

Good catch, I definitely missed those. IMO Khys is a bit different though, even pronounceable but I don't see anything on Google that's so amazing about it. It must be fairly amazing for somebody.

 

[SlimPickins]

that is, of course, the question.... there are pros and cons to listing on a public auction vs direct sale... only you as seller, knowing what you have into the domain, what your research into enduser buyer potential has turned up, and your OWN view on the current and future market amongst resellers can decide that... but, at least for me, I break it down so:

Sedo (active auctions at least) are a smaller, less overwhelming pool to browse/filter through. And their commission is "only" 15%. And, assuming the buyer pays promptly and you push quickly, they pay asap. I sold a domain today and was paid today, which is cool. Cons, at least for me, is that there is of course a huge pool of domains that are NOT already in auction, so unless your domain is important enough to be sought out and bid on and allow you to send to auction your only other recourse is to PAY $59 for a direct auction. Good thing is that you can set a reserve and "sort of" decide a start and end time (I have run 4 direct auctions and had 4 bad experiences, but it might just be me lol). Another con in my opinion is the quick jump in min bid amounts unfortunately...would probably keep more bidders involved if stayed at $10 instead of jumping to $50 on them. BUT, assuming you PAY to go to auction and have a reserve price, i think it only makes financial sense to go with SEDO if you expect your domain to sell for AT LEAST $1200.... otherwise, even at 20% commission, a Godaddy auction is cheaper in overall fees... AND you have a much faster, and accurate, control of auction start/end times. AND if your domains are at GD listing is free.....But like I started with, the auction queue is huge and is probably overwhelming for a non-domainer.

The obvious big PRO for doing an auction at GD or sedo is the EXPOSURE... but whether it is worth the fee brings us back to the original question. A direct sale on the forums, obviously with its own inherent risks based on the buyer, is that even at a lower price than might be reached in an auction as seller you net more without the fees....

actually if these LLLL.com's really are valuable why sell them here? might as well sell them where I can get top dollar on Sedo or Godaddy right?

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

lol such hostility NemO. do I frustrate you? you strike me as a "know it all" who is also lazy. and you are just annoyed that maybe just maybe someone found something that you didn't. what's FUNNY is how YOU CHOSE to ENGAGE in my post. If what I'm saying is false then who cares? no one is putting a gun to your head to believe me is there? but I SUSPECT some part of you wants to believe me and that's where all this hostility is coming from. That to me sounds like Desperation because some part of you "wishes" what I'm saying is true. Nobody has to believe me. I've seen the "deals" and point of my post was to get people to give their 2 cents as to why these LLLL.com's are cheap over there and then can be sold over here for more? IO guess the main question is WHO IS SELLING these LLLL.COM's for cheap? Probably poor chinese domainers who invested in LLLL.com's and have no idea what they are worth. BELIEVE ME OR NOT THERE IS CHINESE WEBSITES WHERE YOU CAN FIND LLLL.COM DEALS AND NEMO? IT'S NOT 4.CN. YOU CAN'T FIND DEALS AT CHINESE DOMAIN AUCTION SITES. JUST LIKE YOU CAN FIND REAL ESTATE DEALS AT THE FORECLOSURE AUCTIONS. TOO MANY COMPETITORS. YOU HAVE TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX. THE FUNNY PART IS IT'S STARING YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. LOL

 

[Nem0]

Aww someone didn't like that they got ignored.

I think I'll go pop Funny Farm in my betamax.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

that is, of course, the question.... there are pros and cons to listing on a public auction vs direct sale... only you as seller, knowing what you have into the domain, what your research into enduser buyer potential has turned up, and your OWN view on the current and future market amongst resellers can decide that... but, at least for me, I break it down so:

Sedo (active auctions at least) are a smaller, less overwhelming pool to browse/filter through. And their commission is "only" 15%. And, assuming the buyer pays promptly and you push quickly, they pay asap. I sold a domain today and was paid today, which is cool. Cons, at least for me, is that there is of course a huge pool of domains that are NOT already in auction, so unless your domain is important enough to be sought out and bid on and allow you to send to auction your only other recourse is to PAY $59 for a direct auction. Good thing is that you can set a reserve and "sort of" decide a start and end time (I have run 4 direct auctions and had 4 bad experiences, but it might just be me lol). Another con in my opinion is the quick jump in min bid amounts unfortunately...would probably keep more bidders involved if stayed at $10 instead of jumping to $50 on them. BUT, assuming you PAY to go to auction and have a reserve price, i think it only makes financial sense to go with SEDO if you expect your domain to sell for AT LEAST $1200.... otherwise, even at 20% commission, a Godaddy auction is cheaper in overall fees... AND you have a much faster, and accurate, control of auction start/end times. AND if your domains are at GD listing is free.....But like I started with, the auction queue is huge and is probably overwhelming for a non-domainer.

The obvious big PRO for doing an auction at GD or sedo is the EXPOSURE... but whether it is worth the fee brings us back to the original question. A direct sale on the forums, obviously with its own inherent risks based on the buyer, is that even at a lower price than might be reached in an auction as seller you net more without the fees....

My 2 cents. I wasted $59 over at Sedo and they ended up starting my domain auction a day LATE and Ended it a day Early. so a 7 day auction really was just 5 days.what the hell? and when I complained they just show copy and paste time stamps like as if that can't be fudged. but all the emails sent to me has the start dates and end dates with times. waste of time didn't get sold. lots of views but no bites maybe because they ended the auction at 11am on a Monday while everyone is at work. I specifically set the auction to end on a weekend at night when people are home and not working. That's why it's Godaddy or Namepros for me from now one.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

life is like the lottery. On the one hand you can have a guy buying lotto since "2008" and never win then a total newbie pops in first time and wins the jackpot. no need to hate Nemo. that's just life. Anyways enough bs. let's talk about LLLL.com's

All this HYPE about LLLL.com's will this bubble burst or what? seems like everyone is 50-50 on it. Some say that LLLL.COM's are big money right now because:

Chinese want to invest in safer things and domains seem to be the best bet. I read somewhere also that the Chinese have pulled out their investments in Gold and are putting it back in Bitcoin. So Bitcoin and Domains? safe investment vehicles?

What it China "closes it's doors" once again to everything in the "decadent capitalist west"? would LLLL.COM's be part of that "witchhunt" if it actually happens?

I mean China did ban Google recently didn't? and supporting the usage of Baidu instead.

Would it be too far fetched to predict that China one day will Ban the "western capitalists" .COM's? I mean they have already finally gotten around to registering Chinese IDN extensions right? How many chinese LLLL.COM endusers will there be if or once China "clamps" down? If Chinese LLLL.COM investor's only purpose for investing in LLLL.COM's is in the "hopes" that some chinese enduser will buy it from them at a premium because no one outside of China "gets" the true value of LLLL.com's except that THE CHINESE want them so much.

What factor's support my theory that China will go back and "close it's doors" to the West?

Look at the world today. Many "countries" are going bankrupt. In face the USA is printing trillions of dollars to offset it's debt around the world thereby devaluing the Dollar. So much so that it scared China so it no longer uses the DOLLAR as it's Reserve Currency and has gone back to the Gold Standard which is why the chinese economy dropping was in the news because China doesn't have as much Gold as the USA does But even then China believed it was the best option for it to retreat back to it's own borders. It knows that it can survive an economic collapse by simply having a closed economy. China is after all a population of 1.5 billion plus. China sees what's going on in the world and I think it knows for it to survive whatever is coming it needs to stick to it's own people and creating a closed economy like it was before.

That being said I believe dotcoms and all the hype about LLLL.com's will be a memory in China. Plus of course forcing the people to have Chinese IDN extensions is a great money maker for China too.

I've watched alot of China Related news on youtube and I kept hearing about the CBD (I think it's called Chinese Business Development?) anyways there's alot of corruption in China. It is said that for someone to be successful in China you need to have connections with the CBD. so that being said if the owners of Chinese IDN Ext's are part of or are connected with the CBD.

How hard would it be to convince the CBD to "make it happen" and Ban the use of the "western capitalist's" .COM's and force the Chinese people to only use Chinese IDN .extensions so that thee owners of these chinese idn extensions can make a crap load of money?

Not hard. Alot of people became billionaires in china in the 80's because of their connections in the CBD. You guys really think the chinese government bought tens of thousands of chinese idn ext domains because they thought it was a bad idea?

If you believe that China will NOT do something that crazy? Here's some info.

There is presently 64 million vacant condominiums in China.

AND THEY ARE STILL BUILDING. Why? because they want to increase the GDP even though regular citizens can't even afford the cheapest $100,000 unit because they are required to put a 50% deposit cash.

See the irrationality? I can see the CBD. bribe here bribe there. Walla! .com's are banned in china. and chinese idn's become the fastest growing ext in history!lol

Thee only question now is not IF but WHEN when China ban .COM's.
Pinyin domains? still latin "western" characters not chinese characters

So knowing this. I'd like to hear people's opinion now as to whether or not LLLL.com's are in jeopardy. sorry if I rambled. I'm tired kinda sleepy.

 

[Optimal Names]

Yeah bro, go to llllsales.com and use the sorting features on the sidebar. They will show you thousands of examples of each particular kind of LLLL.

That is very cool!! Thats a great site for gauging how much my 2 dozen 4L dot com names might be worth. I am getting multiple emails daily asking for pricing. Always learning. Thanks for the help folks!

 

[DNabc]

It's less risky to invest in domains than in the stock market...

 

[djum]

So knowing this. I'd like to hear people's opinion now as to whether or not LLLL.com's are in jeopardy. sorry if I rambled. I'm tired kinda sleepy.

Don't worry, brother. Just don't. I'll take care of all jeopardy.
Willing to accept all your LLLL.com into my account for small fee.
Save your money, nerves and visit to the doctor, live happy without them nasty Chinese regulators cooking trouble

 

[Templr]

Only time will tell.... (current floor price for chinese premium is $550. let's see in a cople of months from now)

Have you checked the current floor in the Chinese market? As long as its not the spike from the recent DOMAINfest.

 

[Catch.Center]

Someone can fish in muddied waters.
Someone clear domain stock at high price level.
Someone acquire good domain at common price level.

 

[gladdy]

Dry up of chinese premium letter LLLL.com's continue, only 34 left in Godaddy Buy It Now price range $500 - $999. Lowest BIN price is $899.
More details and the full list of Chinese premium letter LLLL.com's left, can be find in the BL0G

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

Don't worry, brother. Just don't. I'll take care of all jeopardy.
Willing to accept all your LLLL.com into my account for small fee.
Save your money, nerves and visit to the doctor, live happy without them nasty Chinese regulators cooking trouble

hahaha thanks! lol