Chinese LLLL.com bubble!?

[freezer]

Is it a somewhat good estimate that
chinese LLLL.com premiums are at at least $1billion value today?
Unlike Number .coms chinese premium LLLL.com boomed in value in a very short period.
Will they hold their value or is it the biggest BUBBLE ever seen in domains?

Share your thoughts please

 

[accuname]

Ride the bubble. Just don't be the last one holding. During the last llll.com bubble I was buying random non-premium llll.com for 30-50 on here and flipping the next day on ebay for 175-200. Within two weeks the prices started dropping fast until eventually those sames names where being sold for $5 or being dropped.

I also rode the silver bubble in 2011. Bought at $28-29 oz and sold for $49-50 oz on ebay. I'm still tickled pink I sold exactly at the top.

 

[wwwweb]

5L is a hoopdream, just way to much ground to cover, the thing about 4L is that their is a workable number with a X amount, and that is it.

One day everyone has to sell, as these do not provide income, so we will see where people get the itchy trigger finger, $2.5K is here by the weekend.

I just sold 10 names for $20K via escrow, I figured if it I went thru an exchange 2 weeks to get paid, and 15-20% commission, it would essentially be the same as getting $2,400 today in my book.

Was able to do it directly with one buyer in escrow, quick payment.

I am holding a few more, and will probably sell a few every $500 up.

In the $2,XXX range, unless it has some end user potential, I think non Chinese domainers should not be chasing it for a flip.

 

[Federer]

When the wave stops, values/prices will not plummet - there is far too much demand for that.....
They will stabalize. There is no bubble. This is a new breed of domain investing. You can play along or watch from a distance. Every day you wait, the entry level gets a little bit higher.

 

[Federer]

Congrats on your sale(s) - wise move not to sell them all. Floor will be 3K very soon. That's when I'm thinking of selling.

 

[Dominic Belley]

Domainers should not be afraid of it being a bubble and should definitely not just look at this "circus".
At least dip a toe in the water and make a bit of $$. No need to jump all-in and risk, just a couple of names.

 

[Nile Patel]

shame we can't get these prices here and keep it in House.
why give Godaddy and name jet our Money
new auction platform on Namepros LLLL.com to work how it can be done maybe
Lots Of Namepros member here have lots of LLLL.com chips

something like a thread with buy now LLLL.com chips Going Top rate or something like soon to be listed on GD….

Any ideas

Someone has to come up with fixed price site what you think?

 

[wwwweb]

When the wave stops, values/prices will not plummet - there is far too much demand for that.....
They will stabalize. There is no bubble. This is a new breed of domain investing. You can play along or watch from a distance. Every day you wait, the entry level gets a little bit higher.

It depends, I think Chinese and Western Domainers are now both competing for the same product. Western investors are more flip oriented, and Chinese more in preserving capital.

This is the same with penny stocks, rumors are flying on takeovers, but when everyone hears things are not going as planned, and head for the door at the same time, that is when the bottom drops.

I don't think anyone can say for certain, but as many of us who have paid $10-15 for these things, and sat on them for years know, they do not provide very much income. Other than an internal intrinsic value, many mean absolutely nothing in English, or in Chinese. It is all artificial demand, that has all the classic pump, and dump characteristics built into it.

It will be fun to find out where the top is, could be $2.5K, could be $3K, could even be $5K, irrational exuberance will set the pace.

 

[Federer]

I may sell mine in the 2.5K-3K range - there will be a gradual stabalizing pattern at some stage (that could last days/weeks - selling at that point would be wise IMO.

 

[Nile Patel]

Domainers should not be afraid of it being a bubble and should definitely not just look at this "circus".
At least dip a toe in the water and make a bit of $$. No need to jump all-in and risk, just a couple of names.

If someone feel 4L.com category is bubble i just tell them to watch 6N.com prices(yes forgot 5N which you can not afford) i m sure if you holding any 4l.com you will jump on your couch after seeing 6N.com crap selling above 2k.

 

[wwwweb]

I may sell mine in the 2.5K-3K range - there will be a gradual stabalizing pattern at some stage (that could last days/weeks - selling at that point would be wise IMO.

I agree, this is the point where western investors may tap out, Chinese investors may keep pushing it.

It really depends on supply, right now many of these are held by Chinese brokers, and Domain Houses. In a strict govt regime, cash in bank is not always key, especially when your currency is worth less each, and every day.

 

[domeen]

Ok, I have to agree prices are higher then I ever thought they would be.

But can we agree, that is a bubble? I mean domains that where worth $100 each a month ago now trade at levels $2000 each. In what universe is that not bubble?

If it goes on for long time, the harder the fall afterwards.

I mean guys for years I have not sold them at $2000 range to end-users. Maybe one or two in year. But no buyers.

Now resellers take them for $2000 each. That makes total worth $320 000 000 for all Chinese premiums 4 letter.com-s

 

[Recons.Com]

It is strange when people say "mean nothing" regarding LLLL dot com
They can mean anything you want them to mean.
And sometimes "means nothing" is good thing, if you are going international, as meanings can be often negative abroad. That is why I bought "axot" for example. It does not mean anything and it is perfectly pronounceable. What else someone might want from a short dot com?
Regarding others, you can go creative and find meaning for each word behind the acronym.
LLLLL is different though. 90%+ of companies choosing an acronym for their business, will stay within 4 letters or less. Human brain can easily digest 4 letter acronym, for longer ones you have to make sure they are meaningfully pronounceable or repetitive.

 

[wwwweb]

It is strange when people say "mean nothing" regarding LLLL dot com
They can mean anything you want them to mean.
And sometimes "means nothing" is good thing, if you are going international, as meanings can be often negative abroad. That is why I bought "axot" for example. It does not mean anything and it is perfectly pronounceable. What else someone might want from a short dot com?
Regarding others, you can go creative and find meaning for each word behind the acronym.
LLLLL is different though. 90%+ of companies choosing an acronym for their business, will stay within 4 letters or less. Human brain can easily digest 4 letter acronym, for longer ones you have to make sure they are meaningfully pronounceable or repetitive.

4L.com have been around since 1990's, if they meant that much to companies, they would not be in domainer hands in 2015.

The ones that have meaning, have great value, and vowels play an important role, just because they are Chinese Premium does not mean they have meaning that represent Chinese companies to an exact science.

Look who your buyer is, maybe a broker, or trader, or maybe even another flipper taking it up another $500, it is gambling.

Like even the wealthiest investors there comes the day where they need to sell their stock, their house, their investments to fund the next big thing, whatever. If you think you can buy 4L.com in the $3K range, and sit on them, and they will bring you infinite wealth, and power that is foolish.

 

[domeen]

Chinese premiums 4 letter .com-s go for $2000
non chinese for $200
I mean if you want to calculate something - calculate that.

 

[campout]

I mean domains that where worth $100 each a month ago now trade at levels $2000 each.

You're referring to LLLL.com here? What domains worth $2,000 today were trading for $100 last month?

 

[wwwweb]

Chinese premiums 4 letter .com-s go for $2000
non chinese for $200
I mean if you want to calculate something - calculate that.

Just like .net, 10% of the .com. I think many western investors are buying the non premium, as it is a lower ceiling, and maybe they think it can jump to $500 ceiling, which it might.

 

[wwwweb]

You're referring to LLLL.com here? What domains worth $2,000 today were trading for $100 last month?

Nat makes a good point, last year I was buying for $100, but last month was about $800 on the floor.

 

[domeen]

You're referring to LLLL.com here? What domains worth $2,000 today were trading for $100 last month?

http://www.llllsales.com/charts.php
Ok, in august they where $300 each, now they are $2000, basically the same

 

[Dominic Belley]

The LLLLSales chart for ChiP as $1000 for maximum.
This will have to be set to $2000 next chart update.

 

[domeen]

Just like .net, 10% of the .com. I think many western investors are buying the non premium, as it is a lower ceiling, and maybe they think it can jump to $500 ceiling, which it might.

have you looked at the sales charts of last years? there where almost no so called Chinese premiums in the charts.