China not all it cracked up to be?

[Rubber Duck]

OK! Lets debate this issue.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2177679&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

ABC quoting Bill Gates:

<<<The new Vista operating system will have speech and visual recognition tools and be backed by strong security measures, he said. It would move away from reliance on easy-to-crack passwords to greater reliance on visual identification and software shields on Internet attacks.

He said the new Office would include the biggest set of innovations in more than a decade, citing its ability to work on documents simultaneously over the Internet.

The biggest market for these products soon will be China, Gates said. He said China was already the world's No. 1 mobile phone market and he expected it to be the world's top PC, broadband and software market within a few years.

"Everybody needs to be in China," he said. "Even if only 20 percent of the population is IT-active," he said, this is a huge number given the country's 1.3 billion population.>>>

 

[Rubber Duck]

Truce declared with VV.

 

[VV]

Rubber Duck, as I said.... you lied about the fact I presented, and tried to distort my point, so I have little respect for your opinions now, and you have lost all credibility in my eyes. I have no desire to discuss anything with you further.

I was making a simple point about how the "billion people" thing has been overplayed, and you tried to twist it into something else. I was not talking about the "software market" or "this & that", and you know it. Now you are just trying to cover yourself because you know you got carried away.

You are not alone. A couple of you guys have such a desperate need to convince the world about your IDN names, that it has clouded your judgment and you are no longer calm rational thinking people. So many threads in this section, I've witnessed it over and over again. You are seeing evil where there is none. You are overlooking the positive and constructive comments people (including myself) make about the possible future of IDN, and dissecting the negative ones until you distort them beyond comprehension.

You are attacking people just because they are playing devil's advocate, or trying to bring a much needed dose of healthy skepticism into the scene.

Enough of this madness.

Have a good day.

 

[Rubber Duck]

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[VV]

Rubber Duck and I have reached a peace between us.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Mark]

I've got a question , Besides Microsoft and a few other large Corporations .... Who is buying Chinese based ads ? I'm assuming the majority of these IDN Domains are being parked for speculation - Correct ?

With China being FAR from a free market - I just don't see enough interest to sustain a large amount of PPC in the long run yet. Getting large amounts of traffic is fine - But monetizing with ads about things other than Internet service etc ... will be hard IMO.

What type ads are being shown currently in the Natural language of the domains you guys have ?

 

[DNWizardX9]

I've got a question , Besides Microsoft and a few other large Corporations .... Who is buying Chinese based ads ? I'm assuming the majority of these IDN Domains are being parked for speculation - Correct ?

With China being FAR from a free market - I just don't see enough interest to sustain a large amount of PPC in the long run yet. Getting large amounts of traffic is fine - But monetizing with ads about things other than Internet service etc ... will be hard IMO.

What type ads are being shown currently in the Natural language of the domains you guys have ?

Alot of people do hold Chinese idns but as I have been working with Japanese domains I can tell you that there are many Japanese native ads out there.

Type a few popular commercial japanese words into google.co.jp and you'll see thousands of advertisers. Note how the adwords are in japanese.

 

[thefabfive]

Google actually has a large amount of non-English ads.

As Jeff stated Japanese ads are very well developed, Chinese ads are not far behind. The problem with China is The Great Firewall. Currently both Sedo and Namedrive servers are blocked in China. But there is another Chinese centric parking service that operates from within China that offers a decent alternative.

I've seen a good number of ads for major keywords in Korean, Hebrew, French, German, Swedish, among others.

Other languages that have some ads are Arabic, Russian, and Farsi.

I have been very impressed with the progress that Namedrive has made with regards to IDNs. They have native language landing pages in over a dozen languages. Native ads are increasing as well. All this with still roughly 1-5% of internet users able to access IDNs.

 

[Mark]

Yeah - I've seen ads for most all languages .... But chinese ads - I just don't see being a huge market ATM. The standards for most any language is ISP's trying to get business .... and any time I go to chinese sites , The ads are few and far between (What I do see is in english of course most times - due to my browser settings / location).

Microsoft and others in the computing , software , and hardware Industries will of course be there as well .... but that doesn't seem to me to be something to count on for the long run. China has no free market - So I'd suggest anyone not planning on Building an actual Chinese site be very careful in this particular sector. Too many unknowns and risks IMO

 

[DNWizardX9]

Yeah - I've seen ads for most all languages .... But chinese ads - I just don't see being a huge market ATM. The standards for most any language is ISP's trying to get business .... and any time I go to chinese sites , The ads are few and far between (What I do see is in english of course most times - due to my browser settings / location).

Microsoft and others in the computing , software , and hardware Industries will of course be there as well .... but that doesn't seem to me to be something to count on for the long run. China has no free market - So I'd suggest anyone not planning on Building an actual Chinese site be very careful in this particular sector. Too many unknowns and risks IMO

People in the U.S. used to give pennies for "foreign traffic"...

Look how quickly other markets grew. A few years ago we could have probably said the same thing about adwords in Japan. There weren't as many japanese ads back then. Today look how hot adwords is in Japan...The PPC is amazing. I heard that Google is opening offices in other countries to keep up with demand. It may take time but once China is up to speed on internet advertising there many advertisers will be racing to advertise to potential customers.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Yeah - I've seen ads for most all languages .... But chinese ads - I just don't see being a huge market ATM. The standards for most any language is ISP's trying to get business .... and any time I go to chinese sites , The ads are few and far between (What I do see is in english of course most times - due to my browser settings / location).

Microsoft and others in the computing , software , and hardware Industries will of course be there as well .... but that doesn't seem to me to be something to count on for the long run. China has no free market - So I'd suggest anyone not planning on Building an actual Chinese site be very careful in this particular sector. Too many unknowns and risks IMO

Well that is funny, because there is Chinese PPC service that primarily deals with Chinese traffic. English version is at Dopa.com. The other service is called Silver Clicks bu the interface is wholly in Chinese.

I now only buy Chinese domains with a full page of Adwords, but of course I won't actually see all of them, because many are Geotargeted.

 

[Rubber Duck]

A little something to ponder perhaps:

http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3573436

 

[sanatana]

Here are what I believe to be some legit stats:

The China Internet Network Information Center reported that there were 123M Internet users in China as of June 2006. New York's eMarketer say this figure is expected to grow to 200M by 2007, which would make China the largest Internet market in the world by the end of next year.

Hope this helps

S

 

[duskdawn]

I don't doubt China's online advertising industry. I earn $$ by my Chinese sites with Chinese google adsense. I didn't see a lot less keywords than English ads on my English sites.
Besides, check any top alexa ranking Chinese sites, you will see a lot of variation of Chinese ads on the sites. I would say we have no less online advertisemnet than in US.
TOM.com ads,
Webmaster Chain,
Baidu ads,
Just name a few.
One more to add, economically speaking, China is already a free market, it is more capitalist than US. In China, anything can help the state development will have got the priority. The concept in some of your guys' mind that China is still a "evil communist state" is too outdated. No offense but it is sad true.

 

[winst]

I agree with Duskdawn, China today is not a closed market. It is far more developed than many people realize. With that said, it is far from a mature society like the US. For example, did you know that if you slip some money to your telcom technician, he could increase your bandwidth without the ISP knowing?

 

[abdussamad]

It seems to me that the majority of IDN buyers are westerners. I say this only because most forums such as these are filled with people asking what such and such a term means. Native speakers seem to be in the minority of domain resellers.

 

[DNWizardX9]

wrong there are a bunch of natives living in China, Japan, Israel, and Russia on our forums buying and selling their names as well. Have you ever thought of the possibility of someone in Russia asking for a translation of something in Japanese? So asking for a translation now makes you a westerner? Nice study you have there.......