ccTLD Domain Statistics

[jmcc]

I've posted the domain name statistics for 54 ccTLDs over 2008 on www.hosterstats.com/DomainNameCounts2008.php - while it is far from complete, it does cover the statistics of some of the super ccTLDs such as .de, .nl and .cn and .uk. I've also requested some statistics from other registries.

Without domain tasting, .com is being equaled and in some cases eclipsed by the cumulative ccTLD growth. I'm going to do some comparisons of ccTLD growth and gTLD growth.

Regards...jmcc

 

[jmcc]

Just heard back about .cc - no stats or zone file access are available.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Kate]

I often wonder why some registries decline to provide stats...

 

[tech4]

JMCC, according to Dot Asia went live started on March 26, 2008. March ends in the 31. 26,27,28,29,30, and 31. Dot Asia specifically said that during the first five days of go live, "10,000" new registrations per day.

According to YOUR zone file Analysis to total march count was 17865 names. Which contradicts the press release. But you did say that the zone files were provided by the registry dot asia?

According to icann's website for contractual purposes, they are not allowed to provide information to the public and the last 3 months are withheld. http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/monthly-reports/

Are you using Icann's info or did you somehow retrieved the zone files from dot asia. Because its contradicting the 10,000 new registration per day. According to your stats, in March 17,860/6=3000 registrations per day? the registry said its 10,000.

"An average of over 10,000 new .Asia domains were successfully
registered daily for the first five days upon opening of the first-come-first-served phase (Go Live)" from http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-GoLive-2008-04-14_EN.pdf

Your calculations are much lowered than the press release. I question where you are basing your zone files on. And if dot me actually does not provide zone file access. Using the press release, I can calcuate that is over 50,000 new registration in march alone. Your calculation states that there were only 17,860 in march.

Please take a look at the press release carefully. "10,000 new domains successsfuly registred daily"....Not applications, but new domains.

 

[mwzd]

tech4 - there's more than one way to skin the cat.

And I wouldn't dare to question jmcc's sources :D

But then, maybe he can provide a more detailed answer.

 

[jmcc]

JMCC, according to Dot Asia went live started on March 26, 2008. March ends in the 31. 26,27,28,29,30, and 31. Dot Asia specifically said that during the first five days of go live, "10,000" new registrations per day.

According to YOUR zone file Analysis to total march count was 17865 names. Which contradicts the press release. But you did say that the zone files were provided by the registry dot asia?

Read the stats again but this time pay close attention to the 01/Mar and 01/Apr headings in that table and the caption 'Start Of Month':

On 01/March/2008 .asia had 17865 domains in the zone.
On 01/April/2008 .asia had 120746 domains in the zone.

You are reading these figures as being the End Of Month figures and that is why you think that they are wrong.

Regards...jmcc

 

[tech4]

In a press released Feb 21, 2008
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-LRDay1-2008-02-21_EN.pdf
The total applications as of 2/21/2008 is 298,861 names.

In the final press release concerning names applied before landrush (before March)
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-GoLive-2008-04-14_EN.pdf

All these names were verified according to Dot Asia and -
"The verification for all Sunrise applications received has been completed. The final success rate for
all Sunrise applications is over 95%"


I seriously think you need to verify your data with the dot Asia registrar before continuing posting stats about Dot Asia which contradicts the dot Asia registry information. The information you have on your site is misleading.

About 300,000 names were applied before march 2008 and all of them have been verified and 95% were successful according to dot Asia. Which means as of March 2008 before the landrush started it has about 250,000 names already.

Please consider verifying your data against the press release of Dot Asia. This is not a small contradiction.

"The total applications as of 2/21/2008 is 298,861 names" "The verification for all Sunrise applications received has been completed. The final success rate for
all Sunrise applications is over 95%"

 

[jmcc]

In a press released Feb 21, 2008
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-LRDay1-2008-02-21_EN.pdf
The total applications as of 2/21/2008 is 298,861 names.

The total number of applications does not equal the total number of domains. The press release itself says that about 28000 domains received more than one application.

In the final press release concerning names applied before landrush (before March)
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-GoLive-2008-04-14_EN.pdf

That press release is dated 14/April/2008. Now in this press release the registry points out that over 45000 domains had received more than one application. That is a minimum of 90000 applications. These domains would have entered the auction process.

I seriously think you need to verify your data with the dot Asia registrar before continuing posting stats about Dot Asia which contradicts the dot Asia registry information.

Dot Asia's own registry reports to ICANN confirm my stats. The number of domains registered is always marginally higher than the number of domains in the zonefile due to domains not being assigned nameservers.

About 300,000 names were applied before march 2008

You need to read this press release again. It says "The total number of domain applications to date is 289861". A domain name application is not the same as a domain name registration. That is why it later said in the same press release that about 28000 domains had more than one application on the first day. In the second press release this figure has increased to over 45000 domains having more than one application. That is a minimum of 90000 applications.

Which means as of March 2008 before the landrush started it has about 250,000 names already.

No it does not. Domain name applications are not the same as registered domain names. I think that you genuinely do not understand the whole .asia landrush process and cannot tell the difference between a domain name application and a registered domain name. The stats quoted on my site are those for the number of domains in the .asia zone file. these are active, registered .asia domains. Perhaps you expected .asia to be another .eu and have over a million domains registered in the first month of the landrush however it did not have this kind of registration pattern. No matter how hard you try you cannot argue with reality. And more importantly, those press releases do not actually say how many .asia domains were registered.

Regards...jmcc

 

[tech4]

The Dot Asia people said that ALL the 298,000 registrations have been verified.
"The final success rate for
all Sunrise applications is over 95%""

298,000 were the applications during the sunrise periods AND over 95% were successful applications.

I understand 298,000 applications does not mean 298,000 names. BUT when the registry said that over 95% of the applications were successful it does mean that they become domains.

Had they say that 5% of the application were successful it would mean that your figure of 17,000 is correct. However the success rate of the applications is over 95%. Your stats are incorrect.

 

[jmcc]

The Dot Asia people said that ALL the 298,000 registrations have been verified.
"The final success rate for
all Sunrise applications is over 95%""

The applications have been validated and less than 5% of the applications were rejected. This does not mean that they translate automatically into domain registrations. Dot Asia specifically mentions that over 45000 domains have more than one application.

I understand 298,000 applications does not mean 298,000 names. BUT when the registry said that over 95% of the applications were successful it does mean that they become domains.

No it does not. It means that their applications were validated and those domains for which there are more than one applications will go to auction. This automatically is a minimum of 90000 (the 45000 x 2) applications. The reality is that most premium domains will have more than two applications. The important aspect is the number of applications that each domain has.

Your stats are incorrect.

No they are not. They are the numbers of .asia domains in the zone. And as of this morning (01/November/2008) that number was 232869 domains. Since 01/October/2008, there have been 192 domains deleted from the zone and 5314 new domains added.

These figures are from Dot Asia's monthly registry operator reports and my stats are from the zone files checked on the first day of each month.

Registry Report - Zone File - Difference
01/02/08-29/02/2008: 19159 - 01/March/2008: 17865 - 1294
01/03/08-31/03/2008: 126280 - 01/April/2008: 120746 - 5534
01/04/08-30/04/2008: 159682 - 01/May/2008: 156201 - 3481
01/05/08-31/05/2008: 177707 - 01/June/2008: 174212 - 3495
01/06/08-30/06/2008: 193882 - 01/July/2008: 189636 - 4246

The difference is due to domains being registered but not being included in the zone file.

Regards...jmcc

 

[tech4]

As of 2/21/2008 298,000+ applications for all sunrise periods (from 2007-Feb, 2008)
As of 3/13/2008 473,000+ applications during land rush periods
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-LRClosed-2008-03-13_EN.pdf
Notice land rush and sunrise periods are separate periods and total application counts as of 3/15/2008 would be around 800,000+ applications.

298,000 applications with a success rate of 95%,
I manually counted the trademark/business/sunrise auctions for the month of jan, feb, and march. and guessed what? only 360+ names were in auction.

What does this mean? 298,000 with 95% being successful, minus the 360 names in auctions let's say each name received 100 applications it would count as 36,000 applications away from the 298,000 pool.

If each of these 360 names in auction received 250 applications (erroneous) it would mean that there are about 100,000 applications total for these auction names.

However we know that's not the case. Even with 400 applications per name it would indicate that there's about 144,000 applications minus the 5% failure (30,000+), what's left are domain names of over 125,000+ names.

298,000 applications with 95+% success and only 360 names in auction.

 

[theuniverse]

Good Statistics

 

[jmcc]

298,000 applications with a success rate of 95%,

That means that the applications were valid and were not rejected.

I manually counted the trademark/business/sunrise auctions for the month of jan, feb, and march. and guessed what? only 360+ names were in auction.

The auctions started in April apparently. And even according to Dot Asia there were approximately 45000 domains with more than one application and these domains are being auctioned:
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-2008-04-22-LC_EN.pdf

Or to use Dot Asia's own figure 45697 domains were being auctioned.

This is the link for the auction data:
http://www.dotasia.org/about/auctions.html

The closed auctions PDF is particularly interesting:
http://www.dotasia.org/about/auctions_schedule/closed_auctions_Oct10_full.pdf
It has a lot more than 360 domains listed - approximately 33800 .asia domains. It seems that Dot Asia also disagrees with you.

As for those registry report figures I quoted in that earlier post, do you also disagree with those? Are those stats, in your mind, incorrect too? I don't have the luxury of making up numbers from press releases. I have to deal with reality. That reality is the statistics from Dot Asia and the zone file counts.

Regards...jmcc

 

[tech4]

JMCC you are confusing the "sunrise" with the "landrush".

Landrush did not start auction in Jan, Feb or March. In fact landrush applications started in APRIL at best.

Sunrise applications does not have 30,000 or 40,000 names in auction. Its the landrush. if it did, then it still would have contradicted your stats for the month of march 2008.

 

[jmcc]

As of 2/21/2008 298,000+ applications for all sunrise periods (from 2007-Feb, 2008)
As of 3/13/2008 473,000+ applications during land rush periods
http://www.dotasia.org/pressreleases/DotAsia-PR-LRClosed-2008-03-13_EN.pdf
Notice land rush and sunrise periods are separate periods and total application counts as of 3/15/2008 would be around 800,000+ applications.

Again the press release contradicts that figure. It says that the total number of applications for Sunrise, Landrush and Asia Pioneer phase is 505838. The total number of Landrush phase applications was 473633 applications. That would leave 32205 applications for the Pioneer/Sunrise phase.

Normally the term Landrush applies to the go-live/first come, first served period when registrations are opened to all. Dot Asia was using it to describe part of its Sunrise process.

My figures for March, the 01/March/2008 zone file count would approximate the Dot Asia registry figure for the 01/February/2008 - 29/February/2008. Domain applications do not immediately turn into domain registrations.

Regards...jmcc

 

[jmcc]

http://forms.icann.org/idashboard/public/

The registry reports in graphical form show the evolution of the various TLDs including .asia.
The Registry Status buttons are for the trend graphs.

Regards...jmcc

 

[mwzd]

Ooh, .asia not doing as well as you hoped tech4?

Instead of trying to 'convince' jmcc, or the rest of us, why not ask the registry for access to the zone file, or even better... ask for the total number of registrations, specially since they claim to be a non-profit.

I invited Edmon Chung to NamePros for a discussion on .asia based on his comment on my blog, he has not till date :D

 

[tech4]

MWZD,

From the stats that JMCC gave 240,000 ofcourse its not doing well as I hoped. Still Icann figures for June 8, 2008 was at 193,000+ JMCC figures were 174,000 in July it was only 189,000.



So how do you invite Edmun Chung to namepros? Did you invite him already or did you just say that.
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[mwzd]

http://www.mwzd.com/2008/04/17/the-dotasia-debacle/

See the second last comment and reply.

That reply was also sent by email to the gentleman.

 

[tech4]

MWZD, I am not sure if someone named Edmun or Edmun Chung could be the CEO of Dot Asia.

It could be just a random person, because if it is Edmun who has the gut to reply to your post in public could certainly do the same at namepros. I dont thinks that him.

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Regarding the stats, As of June 8, it was 193,000 and JMCC's stats are behind.
So in regard to his update of 240,000 as of nov. it might also be behind by 20,000-50,000 or more.

But still at 240,000 min, its not doing that bad. Even with all the promotions at Godaddy, Sedo, DNjournal and the big fish dot me still haven't gotten to 200,000. Its actually is remarkable that something were'nt heavily advertised did better than something which was advertised across the board.

 

[netfleet]

Would be great to have him contribute to the boards. He's obviously a very smart guy. I can't believe how young he looks though!! - http://dotasia.org/about/bios/bio_edmon_chung.html

Anyway I just sold my second .asia for more than $2,500 (see DNJournal later today/tomorrow) so it's not all bad, tech4. One thing I was thinking to stimulate end user sales & get people actually using the extension, the dotasia registry should come up with an 'info pack' specifically for investors espousing the benefits of the extension.

Domainers could then use this information as part of a sales proposal when trying to flog their domains.

Anyway sorry for contributing to off-topic discussion. Keep those stats coming in jmcc!