Catch.club Official Thread

[Catch.club]

Hello NamePros community!

We are creating a single thread where we can share announcements, talk about product updates and people can ask questions!

We are fine-tuning the system this week, please feel free to check it out at www.catch.club

We are also adding a domain keyword / domain type monitor service, so you can get notification free of charge if there is any preferred domain in pending delete status.

https://catch.club/how-it-works

If you have any questions, please let us know!

Catch.club Team

P.s. At www.catch.club/auctions we list daily the English 1 word exact match .com and .net domains in pending delete status.

P.s. More TLDs are coming! -> https://catch.club/how-it-works

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[Catch.club]

Hey,

as many of you have reached out about how to setup filter regarding 3 character pending delete domains, (like aab dot com or a2b dot com) I am sharing this info here also:

1) Please go to https://catch.club/account/watch

2) At filter select ''contains'' and leave text box empty

3) TLD filter -> set to .com (or any other TLD you like)

4) Character length -> 1 to 3

If you want want numerical or alphabetical domains only, you can also use our ''By Length and type'' filter also.

The scan runs once a day for all accounts at 1400 UTC, we are working on instant scan feature.

Let us know if you have any questions!

Catch.club Team

 

[Catch.club]

@Catch.club I don't understand fully your offer.

Exactly who are your dropcatch partners? On your website you display 6 logos as your partners, but in the text you write that you have 10 partners. Is DropCatch.com your partner?

I could manually backorder the same domain at these 10 dropcatch websites, do you provide a better pricing at Catch.club than ordering the same domain directly at your partners? Or is the only benefit that I save time?

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1: We work with dropcatch, snapnames, dynadot godaddy, epik, name.com, xz, asiaregister, domainmonster, pool and many more smaller catchers. We are adding more and more partners and we are also offering option to catch more and more TLDs.

2: If you indeed place backorder manually on all these platforms the result will be similar if you would have used www.Catch.Club. You may also save money and if placing orders on multiple platforms does not take too much of your time.

Catch.club can be a good choice for you if you do not have the time to place orders on 10-20 platform and you see the benefit that we are actually transferring the domains directly to your NameSilo account after 60 days, so you also do not need to manage multiple accounts at different registrars.

 

[Charybdis]

When I place a bid on Catch.club, then will you backorder the domain at all of your dropcatch partners?
-> If you place 71 USD offer then all our partners will go after the domain.

What is the minimum proxy bid required for you to backorder the domain at all of your dropcatch partners?
-> 71 USD

I could have avoided paying the full proxy bid in advance.
-> Please reach out to our support to check what Credit Limit we can apply to your account.

Thanks, good to know. A whole set of hidden features and tips & tricks are in this thread, I think you should add these to your knowledgebase

Yes indeed, I just had to email your support and voila, my credit limit has been increased.

A few more suggestions, please add these filters if you can:

- filter by domain age (whois creation date), older domains are generally more valuable than newer domains
- filter by how many other extensions of the domain are registered, for example if example.com, example.net, example.org and example.io domains are registered, then the registered extensions count for this domain would be 4
- GoDaddy appraisal of all domains, being able to sort by GoDaddy appraisal, but maybe it would be too difficult to implement, I don't know. If it is not possible, then you could use another service for the appraisal, such as Estibot or Nameworth (they aren't perfect, but better than nothing)

 

[Charybdis]

@Catch.club ok thanks for your continued support.

I just find it too risky to list such domains in the first 66 days on Afternic or Sedo, I don't want to break their TOS. I know that I would be upset as a buyer to learn that I cannot fully manage my own domain after my purchase. "A" record is not always enough, there are services which need full nameserver change, such as Cloudflare, reverse-proxy CDNs in general, Ezoic (ad network), premium nameserver providers like DNS Made Easy, even some premium web hosting providers need full nameserver change etc.

I think the legal owner of a domain is whoever listed in the whois as registrant, and who can fully manage the whois and the nameservers. I am not listed in the whois as the registrant, I cannot change the whois and I cannot change the nameservers, thus I am not the legal owner of these catched domains during the first 66 days in my opinion.

Thanks I will take a look at your own marketplace, maybe I will list these domains only on Namelot during the first 66 days.

Sorry I still don't understand why can't you change the whois data to your own company name, company address in the USA and to your US phone number now, after the successful catch? Is it really necessary to use that Chinese person in the whois now that the domain is catched and registered?

I have a feature suggestion, please consider it. I understand that you want to provide this service to both end users and domain investors, and I understand that it is manual extra work for you to push a domain after a successful catch.

You could create two account types. The first account type would be for end users, it would work like the current setup. End users need convenience and they don't want to sell the domain during the first 66 days.

The second account type would be an account for domain investors:
- In this account type you don't charge 8.99 USD fixed fee per domain for the Namesilo transfer, but you would only charge a smaller fixed fee per domain, for example 5 USD / domain, and this would be the cost of the manual push, because I understand that it is manual extra work for you to push a domain to me
- the domain investor would be notified to create an account at that registrar which was used to catch and register the domain
- then you push this catched, newly registered domain to your catch.club domain investor customer, and after that your domain investor customer will have full control over the domain

I would prefer the second account type, the domain investor account. Domain investors only need 1 year of registration (because they might sell the domain during the first year, so it is pointless to register a domain for more than 1 year) and they need full ownership from day 1, they don't need remote management and they don't need to consolidate the domains into a single Namesilo account.

Generally I like your service, but this limitation during the first 66 days is very bad for domain investors. You should attract domain investors because they spend more money on backorders than end users. An end user might backorder only 1-2 domains, but a domain investor might backorder hundreds.

 

[Catch.club]

@Catch.club I have caught 9 domains using your service to date, all the domains have been caught indeed (with or without auction, but the catch rate is 100% so far), however as I look at the whois data, I see that only 2 distinct backorder companies dominate the market.

Seems like besides these two backorder companies, the smaller backorder services have no or very little chance to catch a domain. Simply because the smaller providers don't have enough slots to catch a domain, they don't have enough ICANN-accredited registrars.

I have two questions regarding this:

- is it even worth to use other backorder services besides these two leading providers?

- I think you need to add a lot more smaller backorder providers, so that the smaller providers combined would have a chance to compete with the two largest providers. Is it even possible to add so many smaller providers so that the smaller providers combined would have a chance against the two leading providers, and if it is possible, then when can you add a lot more smaller providers to Catch.club, so that Catch.club would be able to catch domains with more providers?

The fun part would be to catch a popular domain with an unknown, small backorder provider to avoid the auction, because everybody uses just the most popular platforms, but if you added a lot more smaller providers, then there would be a chance to catch a popular domain without auction, using a little-known smaller backorder provider. Or in order to catch a domain with auction, but if that domain were caught by a little-known backorder provider, then most likely only a very few people would compete in that auction, compared to an auction held by a popular backorder service. That's why it would be critical to add more backorder providers, even smaller ones.

We are happy that you could get about 100% catch rate, indeed that is our goal with Catch.club. A one stop page to provide the max catch rate possible, so investors and endusers do not need to sign up on 10-20 pages to maximize their chance (there are cases where you do not want to risk it by just using a few or let say dropcatch only).

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Is it even worth to use other backorder services besides these two leading providers?
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It comes down to your offer. If you place 80+ USD offers the big players will go after the domain with high chance of DC or SN getting the domain. Although if you place lower offer due to a lower value domain (DC and SN will not go after the domain as no one used them). In these cases the game goes to one lower level, where smaller catchers play. Also we have seen cases when smaller catcher got the domain even when DC/SN was going after the domain. Since if there are many good domains dropping DC and SN need prioritize their efforts. (aka use all their registrars to go after 1 single domain).

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I think you need to add a lot more smaller backorder providers
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yes, this is what we are working on

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What is worth to have a look is the number of registrars of each backorder platform.

https://www.iana.org/assignments/registrar-ids/registrar-ids.xhtml

Networksolutions has about 500, Dropcatch about 1200, Dynadot about 20.

The number of registrars has a strong correlation of how many domains you can catch, with improving server and technology you can gain some extra but can't flip over the table.

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The fun part would be to catch a popular domain with an unknown, small backorder provider to avoid the auction, because everybody use just the most popular platforms, but if you would add a lot more smaller providers, then there would be a chance to catch a popular domain without auction, using a little-known smaller backorder provider.
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We have users who already benefitted from this, so it is happening time to time

 

[Catch.club]

You need to add a lot more backorder partners, because here is my experience after catching 23 domains using Catch.club:

All these 23 domains were caught either by Dropcatch, Snapnames/Namejet or Dropcatch discount club.

When my bid was 58 USD or lower, then in these cases Dropcatch discount club caught the domain.
When my bid was 59 USD or higher, then in these cases Dropcatch or Snapnames/Namejet caught the domain.

So the other backorder platforms have little to no chance. Maybe you need to add a lot more smaller backorder partners, if it is possible at all.

What we noticed when a great domain is pending delete (vey.com, modules.com) Dropcatch and Snapnames focus more resource on those domains, meaning smaller catchers have higher chance of catching other domains, and can happen that Dropcatch and Snapnames will have poor catch rate (as they do not have resources for the discounted orders).

 

[Pluto]

Support gave feedback about the problem!..

They reported that the domains were marked incorrectly due to an error.
Added back 3 domains whose auction is still ongoing.
However, the other 3 domains could not be checked due to this error and were lost as the auctions ended.

 

[LUP]

I have an Account Fund Balance in namesilo
but when i log in to catch.club using my namesilo credentials, my funds in namesilo don't sync
So what are the benefits of logging in with my namesilo account?

I got this answer
Yes, it is part of NameSilo but a separate platform, also a separate fund
Because it's not the same platform, it's an external platform part of NameSilo
It's that you do not need to create new credentials

This makes me have to add fund twice, very ineffective

 

[AEProgram]

looks great!

 

[Catch.club]

@Catch.club sorry just one more question.

I submitted my first backorder using catch.club. I received an email from you stating that my bid was successful.

But when I visit my account at catch.club, then I navigate to my account - my backorders - submitted backorders, then I see "Pending approval" in the stage column next to this domain name. So was it successful or is it still pending approval? The closing time of this domain name is 19 hours from now. So maybe after 19 hours you will change its status from pending approval to approved? I submitted the backorder more than 24 hours before the closing time.

The support said that I should I just wait a little bit more and the status will change... When I check the domain at your backorder partners, I see that the domain has still zero bids. I hope that my backorder will work...

Maybe you should create a knowledgebase / FAQ section for this service, your whole system is very difficult to understand at first.

-> Yes, it will move to Approved backorder in 19 hours. We are adding some explanation text to make it more clear. We do not submit order immediately as that can increase the attention to the domain (being visible as bid on domain at the catcher) making it more attractive to other domain investors.

 

[Catch.club]

Something is wrong with the search. Currently I'm seeing 17 results only, without any filters applied. I visited the auctions page in incognito browser mode, I'm still seeing 17 results only. I didn't use any filters.

I saw a lot of domains a few hours ago. But sometimes I got 0 results, in that case I had to close the page and resubmit the filters.

Are you sure that your search function works correctly?

One more example:

I am searching for domains which contain the word "world", and I don't have any other filter turned on. I am getting 856 results. Some of them end with "world".

Now I only change one filter, to see domains only ending with "world", and at this time, I am getting zero results. But I have seen before that there are domains indeed ending with "world" in the list.

The search filters don't work properly.

Currently if no filter added I can see 1228 domains in our pending delete list containing ''world''.

326 starts with world

and you are right our ''ends with'' filter has no result, I have notified our developers to fix this filter.

Important: we remove domains which are dropping today at 0900 UTCand add new pending delete domains around 1300 UTC so between these hours the results may change.

 

[Charybdis]

and you are right our ''ends with'' filter has no result, I have notified our developers to fix this filter.

Hi,
yes I think this is the issue here.
Now I see all domains, but indeed the "ends with" filter doesn't work. When I select the "ends with", then I don't see any results. However when I change to "contains", then I can see domains ending with my chosen keyword, so those domains should appear when I select the "ends with" filter, but they don't.

 

[Catch.club]

@Catch.club didn't know that, support said that I must prepay the full amount. Yes I have domains in my namesilo account. I could have avoided paying the full proxy bid in advance.

I placed a proxy bid of 150 USD on a domain, and the system displays that my current bid is 8.99 USD (I am the only bidder).

But for example on Dropcatch the minimum bid is 59 USD.

When I place a bid on Catch.club, then will you backorder the domain at all of your dropcatch partners? What is the minimum proxy bid required for you to backorder the domain at all of your dropcatch partners?

I am asking because the merit of your system would be to place a backorder for a domain at all of your partners, so I want to make sure that you really backorder the domains at all places. What should I do to ensure that you backorder a given domain at all of your dropcatch partners, especially at Dropcatch.com and at other major dropcatch providers?

When I place a bid on Catch.club, then will you backorder the domain at all of your dropcatch partners?
-> If you place 71 USD offer then all our partners will go after the domain.

What is the minimum proxy bid required for you to backorder the domain at all of your dropcatch partners?
-> 71 USD

I could have avoided paying the full proxy bid in advance.
-> Please reach out to our support to check what Credit Limit we can apply to your account.

 

[Catch.club]

@Catch.club so I got emails today with the subject line "Catch Club Backorder Approved". I see these backorders on the "approved backorders" section in my account.

But I don't understand something: I checked these domains on Namejet and Dropcatch.com, and for these domains I still see that there are zero bids. If you have already placed the bids on your partner backorder sites, then shouldn't I see your bids on these partner sites? My proxy bids are larger than 100 USD for each domain.

Yes, it takes time until our bids show up there publicly, the later a bid is visible publicly, the better for our customers. I can confirm your orders are OK. Most likely these 2 domains will go on auction anyway as they seem to be great value so feel free to place an order directly on DC/SN also if the domains are really important for you. Just remember not to add any additional bid on the auction until the price reached your proxy bid at Catch.club as in that case you would bid against yourself.

 

[Catch.club]

Let me go point by point:

1) Can I set my own nameservers, or can I only manage the DNS records using your nameservers in the first 66 days?

-> NameServer changes cannot be automated with every registrar that is why we decided to use ns1.catch.club and ns2.catch.club. This way when the domain is catched we set all Catch.club domains on this nameserver automatically. So whenever you add/change domain's A record / TXT / MX record the change will go live in about 15 without without the need of NameServer to propagate. It is not a limitation we like, but this can offer same quality of service for all our customers no matter if we have 1 domain or 1 million in our system.

2) Can I put up for sale this domain even in the first 66 days on Afternic, Sedo and Dan? What happens if I sold the domain in the first 66 days, then how can I transfer the ownership of this domain to the buyer and will the buyer be able to set his/her own nameservers during the first 66 days or not?

-> Yes, you can put domains up for sale the same way. You can also confirm ownership by adding TXT record or pointing the domain to a specific A record. If the domain is sold, you simply ask your buyer to create a Catch.club account and you PUSH the domain the same way if you would do it on NameSilo or any other registrar. Then your customer can add A/TXT/MX records to the domain. We will move the domain to your customers NameSilo account once the other registrar has removed the transfer lock. If you customer insist on getting the auth code, it can be provided once the domain is with NameSilo by NameSilo support, just reach out asking to remove the 60 day lock, we can do that manually for you. This way on day 67 the domain can be at any other registrar of your choice.

3) Are you sure that this whole remote management in the first 66 days is necessary and are you sure that the extra transfer fee is necessary?

-> For 60 days we can't transfer the domain to NameSilo unfortunately, we would be happy to do that on day 1 if that would be allowed. We understand that most domain investors manage domains at many platforms, and we actually got many feedback that for many this is quite annoying and they wish if they would not need to do that. We understand that Catch.club is not for every domain investor, we focus on the investors who can accept the limitations for the convenience of not needing to place backorder on 10 different platform and keep track of domains (and passwords / 2FA) on even more registrars. For us also a good thing to have the domain at NameSilo as that way there is a high chance once you sell the domain, your buyer will keep the domain with NameSilo for many years.

4) And about the 8.99 USD extra transfer fee (on top of the backorder price) of transferring the domain into my Namesilo account after 60 days: the problem with this fee is that if I managed to sell this domain during the first year, then this extra 8.99 USD fee was unnecessary

-> We recommend using Catch.club for domains which you would not drop for 2 years at least.

5) You could just push the domain to me within the domain name registrar you used to catch the domain.

-> Catch.club is a new version of NamePal's Fetch. At NamePal we tried our best allow NameServer update, domain push, provide auth code, and providing quality service was just challenging. Imagine the day when we get auth code request from you for 1000 domains scattered over 10+ registrar. Then we needed to follow up if the domain was indeed transferred (you would be surprised how many time the domain transfer was not started after we provided the auth code). The case is similar with domain push. Also some registrar does not allow that, or you will have hard time using their site (Chinese registrars). By transferring domains automatically to your NameSilo account we can offer a reliable service and we can sort out transfer issues with the other registrar without the need of you being upset why the transfer is not complete yet.

6) If you see any bug in your account please reach out to your account manager so we can check the case right away or reach out to our 24/7 chat support.

7) As far I see your domain's have been already updated and are pointing to ns1.catch.club, please give a try adding A records. Afternic, Dan, Sedo, NameLot all offer A record update, so changing NameServer is not necessary by any of those site.

We really appreciate your feedback, and indeed this thread will be a good base for our FAQ page

I hope I was able to clear most of your concerns. What we can promise is the highest catch rate on the market with the convenience of the need of just using 1 single page to reach the high catch rate while having the catched domains added to 1 single NameSilo account.

P.s.: While most of our users are domain investors, we want also help endusers to go after domains who can't and would not place order on 10 different backorder platform.

 

[Catch.club]

@Catch.club I have catched 6 domains to date with catch.club without auction, and 3 domains when auction started. My catch rate is 100% indeed, I have catched all domains I added for backorder. That's the good part.

The bad part: But when I compare the prices you charged me for the backorders and the backorder rates available when using the backorder services directly, in the end you charged me more. In some cases you charged me less than the directly available rates, but in other cases you charged me more, and in total I paid more than using these backorder services directly (excluding your commission rate or your monthly fee). Sorry but you don't always get competitive rates from your backorder partners.

You should lower the rates. I can get better rates when using the leading backorder service directly. And when using a backorder service directly, I can start using the domain right away, I don't have to wait 66 days.

I think you could make the following improvements: Please add even more backorder providers, lower your backorder rates, get bulk pricing discount from your partners, remove this 66-day lock.

Thank you for your suggestions!

About Afternic/SEDO -> We will reach out to them to give a confirmation if the current process prevent listing/sales.

We are working hard to make our service better, our goal is to make domain backordering easier, cheaper while being more convenient, stay tuned

 

[Catch.club]

You can think of this as a target (domain), guns (registrar) and bullets (registrar making a register domain call to the registry).

If you use all you guns and bullets most likely you will hit the selected target, but you will lose the chance to shoot on other targets. So dropcatching platforms are working hard to optimize their efforts before the drop so at the end of the day max amount of cash comes in (either by catching 10k domains worth 100 USD or 1 domain worth a million).

 

[Catch.club]

And as getting many registrars is costly, and registrars have limited number of ''bullets'' (calls) for each drop period, it is a game of optimizing resources

 

[Charybdis]

Could you please remove these notifications in the bottom left corner?

"Xyz H. from Yongin-zi, Gyeongzi-do
Recently joined Catch.Club
3 months ago
Verified by Provely"

There is no way to remove this unnecessary spam and it is very distracting, please remove it completely.

I see these while logged-in to my catch.club account. Maybe only show these to logged-out users who are still considering to join Catch.club.

I literally see this every 5 seconds, and it says "recently joined", and then you display "5 months ago". So the best would be to completely remove these for everyone, or at least adjust the settings, something is very wrong here.

I can't even see the screen properly, because these spam notifications cover important parts of the screen! I want to browse domain lists, place bids, but I can't do it properly, due to these distracting notifications every 5 seconds, and they cover important parts of the screen.

 

[Catch.club]

Could you please remove these notifications in the bottom left corner?

"Xyz H. from Yongin-zi, Gyeongzi-do
Recently joined Catch.Club
3 months ago
Verified by Provely"

There is no way to remove this unnecessary spam and it is very distracting, please remove it completely.

I see these while logged-in to my catch.club account. Maybe only show these to logged-out users who are still considering to join Catch.club.

I literally see this every 5 seconds, and it says "recently joined", and then you display "5 months ago". So the best would be to completely remove these for everyone, or at least adjust the settings, something is very wrong here.

I can't even see the screen properly, because these spam notifications cover important parts of the screen! I want to browse domain lists, place bids, but I can't do it properly, due to these distracting notifications every 5 seconds, and they cover important parts of the screen.

we will do this, thank you for the feedback!

 

[Catch.club]

We have disabled it for logged in users.

 

[Charybdis]

Can you add a "number of TLDs taken" filter to your search function? For example, display only those domains where min. 5 TLDs (=top-level domains) are taken.

For example, if my domain is example.com, and example.com, example.net, example.org, example.info and example.club are all taken, then I know that example.com is a good domain, because other people have already registered the other TLDs of this keyword.

Currently it is only possible to filter those domains using other tools, but the best would be if I could do it right inside catch.club.

 

[Catch.club]

What happens if two or more catch.club users backorder the same domain at the same time on catch.club? In this case will you place the backorder only on the highest bidder's behalf? So is it like a mini-auction, but only among catch.club users, and before the approval of the backorder?

Exactly. We submit the backorder on behalf of one user only. So if you place 80 USD offer, while other Catch.club user 10 USD only, once the pre-drop auction closed, the customer who's offer was 10 USD only will have the domain with missed status and your offer of 80 USD will be submitted to our backorder partners.

 

[Catch.club]

For example, I have just received a caught domain into my Namesilo account, but I received this domain 78 days after the registration, instead of the promised 66 days, so I lost 12 days. The domain was registered 78 days ago. Technically I could have received this domain 66-67 days after the registration date. There is the 60 day transfer lock from the date of registration (not from the auction end), and then it takes 5-7 days to transfer the domain into Namesilo.

I wanted to list this domain for sale, and I can't do until I have full control over the domain name. Because upon selling it I must transfer the full ownership to the buyer. The buyer needs full control over the domain name, not just the "remote management". I also need to set my own nameservers, but it is not possible with the "remote management". So I had to wait 78 days to use this domain, instead of the promised 66 days.

Hi,

Please note that it is not uncommon that registrars provide the wrong authorization code or delay providing the authorization code on time which can delay the delivery process on our side. For example if the authorization code is sent to us 5 days after we request it, that delays the start of the transfer, but thank you for the feedback, we will change from the optimistic 66 days to 77 as recommended by you.

We are improving our domain delivery process and we should be closer to 66 days soon.

We are doing our best move domains from our partners to NameSilo as soon as we can, unfortunately it is not always as smooth as we wish.

That is why many of our users decide to use www.catch.club (as we were told). So instead of placing backorders directly with the platform, they choose catch.club as they do not want to spend time and hassle getting the auth code, requesting second auth code (if the first code provided is incorrect) and spending time with moving domains from many different platforms to their preferred registrar. They just place backorder, then take notice when the domain is in their NameSilo account.

Also domain ownership can be permanently transferred by moving the domain between 2 catch.club accounts, the same rules apply if it was a domain push between 2 NameSilo accounts. We have checked this with Afternic and there is no rule in their ToS which would prevent listing domains for sale caught by catch.club.

Between placing the backorder and receiving the domain at NameSilo there is no action needed by our customers Yes, sometimes it takes longer then we wish, we are working to make the process faster.

Also we are happy to announce that auto NameServer update is coming soon to Catch.club!

Thank you for helping us improve with your feedback and suggestions!