Can someone explain LLLL .com bubble?

[Burberry]

New to the game, but can someone explain to me this sudden LLLL .com bubble? Are these domains worth investing into? What is their worth now? I am very curious. Thanks guys.

 

[Tiger]

As of 2013 they have all been registered, so the ones with 'premium' letters and/or pronounceable have become rare and sought-after.

 

[venturefile.com]

Not really a bubble just moving through the ranks.. As LLL.coms got snatched and started to fetch $xx,xxx on the reseller market the next one in line is LLLL.com.. They make great acronyms, are short, can be pronounceable and highly brandable.

 

[biggie]

New to the game, but can someone explain to me this sudden LLLL .com bubble? Are these domains worth investing into? What is their worth now? I am very curious. Thanks guys.

some are like "pet rocks"

you know that fad, back when folks bought rocks and gave them names

now, they aren't worth anything


well, some LLLL.com are just like that... pet rocks


you can't do shit with them but look at em and renew them, while hoping some newbie will come along and buy em cuz they think they are worthy.

 

[hookbox]

New to the game, but can someone explain to me this sudden LLLL .com bubble? Are these domains worth investing into? What is their worth now? I am very curious. Thanks guys.

How does a guy that joined Namepros in 2007 not know anything about 4L domains?

 

[Burberry]

I joined and was inactive for many many years.

 

[johnn]

- All LLLL names are registered.
- Many companies use abbreviation, they can't afford LLL names so LLLL would be their best choice

 

[dollarfield]

I buy and sell LLLL domains. I don't think these domains are crappy things. Once I approached a very experienced Top Ebay seller to trade some dictionary word COM domains with some of his LLLLs. He politely refused saying that he cannot hope to sell the dictionary domains in same frequency as he does with LLLLs.
Personally, I have more success with LLLLs than dictionary words or keyword rich domains. LLLLs with premium letters or pronounceable domains can easily sell for $xxx, if not $x, xxx. These days a new trend has kicked off. LLLLs without (a, e, i, o, u, v) are selling like hot cakes. Thanks to the Chinese domainers!

 

[NameOmnia]

These days a new trend has kicked off. LLLLs without (a, e, i, o, u, v) are selling like hot cakes. Thanks to the Chinese domainers!

It is not a new trend and it should be an eye-opener for all those " English is THE ONLY language " domainers.
Many characters considered low value ones in English are exactly the opposite in other languages, therefore all those domainers who have never been able to look beyond their country/language boundaries are missing out on big and profitable markets.

 

[NameYourself]

2%, mostly the same ones that have always been good even a decade ago, are usable acronyms or quality brandables for real end-users.

98% are novelties, the pet rocks, their market is other domainers.

Trends come and go. There was a time of similar thinking years ago when all llll.com were taken under the thinking that they were gone forever. Not too long after that trend died out many with the X Q Y and Z's sat unregistered again, wide open for the next believers to register. Now the cycle repeats.

 

[equity78]

some are like "pet rocks"

you know that fad, back when folks bought rocks and gave them names

now, they aren't worth anything


well, some LLLL.com are just like that... pet rocks


you can't do shit with them but look at em and renew them, while hoping some newbie will come along and buy em cuz they think they are worthy.

True in one sense Don, but with Chinese buyers some of the names we thought were ugly or pet rocks back in 2009 actually sell. Adam Dicker has sold some really ugly ones for four figures. I think the LLLL market changed with a lot of buying from Asia. the NNNN names get the headlines, but those LLLL actually do ok, the problem some people own a ton of them and as we always talk about you are not going to turn over 20 % of your portfolio in a year. If you sell 1 to 2 % then you have a lot of renewals and need a couple bigger sales.

 

[Kate]

Many characters considered low value ones in English are exactly the opposite in other languages, therefore all those domainers who have never been able to look beyond their country/language boundaries are missing out on big and profitable markets.

This is true, up to some extent.
Letter frequency varies from one language to another, also some letters popular in certain alphabets are missing in others. For example W is a poor letter in French, but common in Polish.

The problem is when you have combos that serve no clear market. Example: Q, X may be good letters in Chinese but not the V. What's your market when you have XVQH.com ?
I may be slightly wrong on this example, but you get the idea

I think it would be a fallacy to assume that all 'random' LLLL.com are equal, always.

 

[biggie]

True in one sense Don, but with Chinese buyers some of the names we thought were ugly or pet rocks back in 2009 actually sell.

some of them may sell now, simply because all the preferred LLLL.com are developed or in somebody's vault.

so, current hunters are going for the bottom of the barrel, just to get any 4 letter.
but from 2009 to today is 6 yrs, which means one would have had to renew if holding, until now to liquidate.

will a newbie with no experience and limited resources be willing to pay $$$ to bottom feed, then possibly have to hold the domain for a few years, to make reasonable profit?

maybe they will.... who knows

 

[NameOmnia]

The problem is when you have combos that serve no clear market. Example: Q, X may be good letters in Chinese but not the V. What's your market when you have XVQH.com ?
I may be slightly wrong on this example, but you get the idea

I think it would be a fallacy to assume that all 'random' LLLL.com are equal, always.

Yes sure, not all LLLLs were created equal exactly like dictionary words : some of them are worthless and for some of them the market is possibly close to zero.

some of them may sell now, simply because all the preferred LLLL.com are developed or in somebody's vault.

so, current hunters are going for the bottom of the barrel, just to get any 4 letter.

Sorry but I think you are missing the point here; which is that what can look like a crap under an English language perspective is actually valuable for some other languages.
China is the fast growing country in the world ( economically ) and businesses are going online etc. Years ago China was a land of farmers so clearly they weren't buying domains were they? But now the story is different.

 

[equity78]

I agree Biggie that the holding costs become a part of the equation. Ugly does sell though, from Sedo weekly sales this week:

pgtz.com 5,000 USD
amxj.com 4,000 USD

 

[Nem0]

As of 2013 they have all been registered, so the ones with 'premium' letters and/or pronounceable have become rare and sought-after.

Try November 2007. They have all been continuously registered since then, not as of 2013.

Trust me you can sell some bad-quality LLLL for pretty good money

 

[Optimal Names]

Yes sure, not all LLLLs were created equal exactly like dictionary words : some of them are worthless and for some of them the market is possibly close to zero.



Sorry but I think you are missing the point here; which is that what can look like a crap under an English language perspective is actually valuable for some other languages.
China is the fast growing country in the world ( economically ) and businesses are going online etc. Years ago China was a land of farmers so clearly they weren't buying domains were they? But now the story is different.

I agree, the world is a large place and that is a great thing for domainers with inventory - even if its "undesirable" letters in one nation, it could be gold in another. I thing that will hold onto my lot of 4 and 5 character names, even the questionable letters for as long as I need to. More and more people in lots of nations are coming online fast... lots of buyers..

 

[Optimal Names]

some of them may sell now, simply because all the preferred LLLL.com are developed or in somebody's vault.

so, current hunters are going for the bottom of the barrel, just to get any 4 letter.
but from 2009 to today is 6 yrs, which means one would have had to renew if holding, until now to liquidate.

will a newbie with no experience and limited resources be willing to pay $$$ to bottom feed, then possibly have to hold the domain for a few years, to make reasonable profit?

maybe they will.... who knows

Those who dont or cant create a market for buyers.. Its a nice cycle.

 

[Optimal Names]

I buy and sell LLLL domains. I don't think these domains are crappy things. Once I approached a very experienced Top Ebay seller to trade some dictionary word COM domains with some of his LLLLs. He politely refused saying that he cannot hope to sell the dictionary domains in same frequency as he does with LLLLs.
Personally, I have more success with LLLLs than dictionary words or keyword rich domains. LLLLs with premium letters or pronounceable domains can easily sell for $xxx, if not $x, xxx. These days a new trend has kicked off. LLLLs without (a, e, i, o, u, v) are selling like hot cakes. Thanks to the Chinese domainers!

What are the best markets for these LLLLs especially ones without (a, e, i, o, u, v)? Sedo? Godaddy? Flippa? Other?

 

[DotCN]

What are the best markets for these LLLLs especially ones without (a, e, i, o, u, v)? Sedo? Godaddy? Flippa? Other?

Many Chinese check Godaddy & Sedo everyday.

But, the best market is here: http://auction.ename.com/i if you know Chinese and would like to receive RMB.