discuss Alarming Situation for 4L Domains

[Shams]

I don't know what's wrong. I cannot explain at this moment, but clearly something isn't right. All 4L .org Chips are gone. money investing in so many directions. which seems to be end soon and the market will collapse.Before we were all investing in 4L .com Premium, Non-premium, Chips etc Doesn't matter but now we are investing in 4L .com, .net, .org, Chips, gTLDS. one thing is clear when money investing in so many directions on the same 4L domain criteria.First thing will happen liquidity of these domains. Which was that we can sell these domains anytime anywhere to anyone immediately but now when the buyer has an option in .org and.net too.the sale out at huge profit will be little difficult.There are very rare chances of the liquidity will remain for 4L domains.

What is your opinion.?

 

[Recons.Com]

mhmm.. its all interesting stuff... to see where it will lead.

maybe (and again) we missed the 4L.ccom as of today. happens all the time in domaining. maybe the time to buy was few months back.

as of today.. I am not sure any more. to begin now. hmm.

all being said and done, I wanted to ask: in short: what exactly is preventing the 4l.com category (and I mean any 4l.com) of achieving that same type of always in style always valuable status as say 3l.com did before? I know there is a rarity difference... which may be the reason why 5l.coms will never get that status.. well.. not for good many years at least.. but all in all... do you guys think its okay to see longer term 4l.com along same way as 3l.com investment wise?

It was the price and availability. LLL.com gave instant credibility because it was known to be in $xxxx even 10+ years ago.

Now many LLLL are in xxxx so they'll have prestige and credibility.

.net was poor man's dot com, but now LLL.net is prestigious, because it means someone has name worth XXXX and even LLLL.net starts getting respect, because it is no more a category with tens of thousands available at hand reg.

So the whole dynamics is changing.

 

[Recons.Com]

If a .org has 2 repeating letters and 1 V and 1 other letter,then is it a premium chinese or not?

any v kills it for CP. Even if it is part of "tv", "vr" etc.
For western market, I actually love V... It has so many great uses in any position within the mix for .com
For .org - not sure.

 

[Matrix1976]

My best LLLL.com sale this year contained a V and a U and was to a Chinese end user...go figure...

 

[Recons.Com]

Matrix, he must have been an end user where he needed English meaning, not pinyin.
V -> Venture, Video, Virtual, Vision etc.
Just those are sufficient to make a good acronym very often.

 

[wwwweb]

any v kills it for CP. Even if it is part of "tv", "vr" etc.
For western market, I actually love V... It has so many great uses in any position within the mix for .com
For .org - not sure.

V for virtual is such a great letter, to bad for no vowels, but if V was not discounted I would own about 40 more chips in 4L.com

 

[Nile Patel]

You guys are adding up all the money required for all the buyouts, but you ignore the trickle down effect.
When money circulates, the total capital required is less.
People sell LL, buy LLL, sell those, buy LLLL, sell .com, buy .net, .org, .co etc. Most don't cash out yet.
So all that needed was just tens of millions of dollars, not even hundreds to get things heated up.
Chinese came up with ingenious way of making the whole segments commodities, inventing what is premium, what is not and everyone followed the lead. They proved that partial buyouts are fine. West believed for example that all 450K for LLLL has to be bought and held, Chinese came up with an idea how to exclude 2/3 of it and still have floors established. Once they were established, the remaining 2/3 started disappearing as well.
The same with digits. Just excluding 0 and 4 did the trick and suddenly 6N is not 1 mil, but only 1/4 of that and once that is gone and floor established, then 0 and 4 goes too.

You may be right they try to monopolize perticular market to keep control in hand.
But the fact is a e i u o v are not in pin yan or you can create very less words using them plus they do not have them on keyboards.
Same thing 0 and 4 are bad digit for them but many like them.

 

[Recons.Com]

You must be kidding that they don't have those letters on keyboards. Of course, they do.

 

[Nile Patel]

You must be kidding that they don't have those letters on keyboards. Of course, they do.

I heard somewhere in this last sale alibaba made special keyboards for domain investor without this letters to make their job easy , and they got huge response on buying them.

 

[Recons.Com]

In China with 1.4 Bn population, even at rate of 0.01% it would mean 140 000 sales and "huge response" ))

 

[domeen]

I heard somewhere in this last sale alibaba made special keyboards for domain investor without this letters to make their job easy , and they got huge response on buying them.

Show me, I only get pictures with aiuoev

 

[DomainAgency.com]

As you are questioning it the 5L.com chips are being registered by the Chinese, and Western investors alike by the second.

A feat most never thoight would happen in a 5L.com chip buyout, is weeks away.

Probably the single biggest play based on percentage per dollar at reg fee that can be achieved today.

Or you can take your luck at a 4L.com at $3K each if you can get one

5L.com is a good play for sure, but the best play according to the math is 7N.com. Just over a Million Premium 7N.com left down from a total population 2,097,000. Over one million less 7N.com premiums exist vs 5L.com CHIPS. At the current 7N.com burn rate (which I track daily) they will sellout in weeks. I think there is money to be made in both 5L.com and 7N.com but 7n.com premiums are much scarcer.

 

[Konga]

any v kills it for CP. Even if it is part of "tv", "vr" etc.
For western market, I actually love V... It has so many great uses in any position within the mix for .com
For .org - not sure.

I have to disagree on this, especially TV and VR and V if its a pattern. They dont get as high as chips that's true but they definitely get much higher prices than normal L's.

 

[mad409]

You may be right they try to monopolize perticular market to keep control in hand.
But the fact is a e i u o v are not in pin yan or you can create very less words using them plus they do not have them on keyboards.
Same thing 0 and 4 are bad digit for them but many like them.

If O isn't on their keyboards how do they type .com, org and top etc..

 

[Shams]

We are discussing .com .net even .org now. What about Chips 4L .Biz . i have seen many are registered in last few days.

 

[GravityEleven]

7N .com is the hottest trend right now, in the past 2-3 days lots of chineses and also indians have gobbled up lots of good patterns and combos, difficult for me to still find something good after buying my last batches of 100 and 50 7Ns each in the last few days..

 

[disaac81]

4L dot coms are only going to increase in value, only a year ago you could pick them up for a few hundred, but now no way. So in a year or two just think of the median value.

 

[Apprich]

We are discussing .com .net even .org now. What about Chips 4L .Biz . i have seen many are registered in last few days.

.com .net .org is fine.. you know why? they were designated to be in the market from the first day. That's why we kept seeing them on Chaomi website even including .cc
However i wouldn't be very sure about .co and .biz this is mostly considered by western domainers as a next buyout. But if Chinese don't buy , buyout wouldn't happen as we have seen on LLLL.net and LLLL.org %80 bought by Chinese.

 

[alcy]

do the chinese actually want to buy these domains from others or are they just interested in regging fresh domains? for all the tens of thousands of domains being bought there is never going to be enough buyers for them...

I agree.
I was just thinking about this today!!! I know there are 4L .com chips chinese buy from domainers etc.. but has anyone here given consideration that the 5L cchips we reg.. com or org or net.. may never do anything other than be flipped on nqamepros or auctions, between domain flippers... what do you think? so far on namepros tha's all thats been happening so far.. flips of 5L chips between domainers

 

[Shams]

I agree.
I was just thinking about this today!!! I know there are 4L .com chips chinese buy from domainers etc.. but has anyone here given consideration that the 5L cchips we reg.. com or org or net.. may never do anything other than be flipped on nqamepros or auctions, between domain flippers... what do you think? so far on namepros tha's all thats been happening so far.. flips of 5L chips between domainers

There are not enough end users for all the domains which domainers have. if all companies in the world buy domains from domainers even then there will be hundred and thousands of domains will be remaining, The concept of buying domains isn't just to sell to an end user but to trade it like an asset like any other stock market.We don't need end users, We need more domainers.Who buy from us and sell it to more new domainers.

 

[alcy]

There are not enough end users for all the domains which domainers have. if all companies in the world buy domains from domainers even then there will be hundred and thousands of domains will be remaining, The concept of buying domains isn't just to sell to an end user but to trade it like an asset like any other stock market.We don't need end users, We need more domainers.Who buy from us and sell it to more new domainers.

I agree with you.

but it is not that we need endusers like you say.. but I was thinking in terms of getting good deals.. higher values.. good profit return.. for that you need end users. we see enough examples on namepros of domains flipping between domainers at always or almost always lower wholesale costs than on private sale venues. in short we're all resellers here. where is the money if you just keep selling for profit to the guy sitting next to you.. who also wants to sell it to guy next to him for profit.. etc...

 

[Shams]

I agree with you.

but it is not that we need endusers like you say.. but I was thinking in terms of getting good deals.. higher values.. good profit return.. for that you need end users. we see enough examples on namepros of domains flipping between domainers at always or almost always lower wholesale costs than on private sale venues. in short we're all resellers here. where is the money if you just keep selling for profit to the guy sitting next to you.. who also wants to sell it to guy next to him for profit.. etc...

You misunderstood me.maybe the way I said is wrong but I meant to say we don't always need end user.i have sold many domains to end users and too many to domainers at right ROI.Like many of us bought 4L.com at $10-$20 and sold at $100 and domainer who bought at $100 now selling for $250-$350.only because of domainers we are getting good profit and market going up, otherwise everyone will register a domain and sit back waiting for the end user.Which possibly may never come to buy from you.

 

[Recons.Com]

Yeah, well in 99% of cases I am not investing into something with little end user potential for the foreseeable future...

 

[Recons.Com]

You misunderstood me.maybe the way I said is wrong but I meant to say we don't always need end user.i have sold many domains to end users and too many to domainers at right ROI.Like many of us bought 4L.com at $10-$20 and sold at $100 and domainer who bought at $100 now selling for $250-$350.only because of domainers we are getting good profit and market going up, otherwise everyone will register a domain and sit back waiting for the end user.Which possibly may never come to buy from you.

So basically you mean domain investors (sorry don't like the word "domainer") add liquidity to the market.

But still your examples are from assets that realistically can have end users in the future.

 

[alcy]

You misunderstood me.maybe the way I said is wrong but I meant to say we don't always need end user.i have sold many domains to end users and too many to domainers at right ROI.Like many of us bought 4L.com at $10-$20 and sold at $100 and domainer who bought at $100 now selling for $250-$350.only because of domainers we are getting good profit and market going up, otherwise everyone will register a domain and sit back waiting for the end user.Which possibly may never come to buy from you.

nonetheless, I still do not think this flipping with good roi can apply to all domain niches or types.
what may have worked for 3l 4l etc.. may not work for 5l 6l 7l etc..

in short, it's about rarity. at some point there is just so much of one thing that flipping it between resellers may result in little to no roi. I wish it to no one, including me, I'm just having a conversation. cheers.

 

[Shams]

So basically you mean domain investors (sorry don't like the word "domainer") add liquidity to the market.

But still your examples are from assets that realistically can have end users in the future.

Exactly