BringLove.com for $3,595 or Bring.Love for $30,000

[JB Lions]

You're a business, you have this choice:

BringLove.com for $3,595

or

Bring.Love for $30,000

votes will be public

Inspired by - https://www.namepros.com/threads/br...ocial-media-influencers.1203075/#post-7895581

 

[bmugford]

I think the answer is obvious.

BringLove.com for $3,595 or Bring.Love for $359?
I would still much rather buy the .COM if I was an end user.

Brad

 

[Josh R]

Would you like a new BMW X5 for $10k or a Hyundai Santa Fe for $50k?

 

[Samer]

BringLove.com, even if both cost same $3595
Is this a joke? .COM all day

 

[Compassion]

.com all day!

 

[passini]

Who is gonna spend 10 times more and not own the .com? Doesn't makes sense to me.

Few years ago I purchased a domain for development, so I was the enduser in that case.

I spent 3500 USD for the word1word2.com

The gtld counterpart word1.word2 was available at 100 USD on Sedo so I bought also this as it was cheap and placed a redirect to the .com.

After one year I didn't even bother to renew the gtld, last time I checked the gtld was available at reg fee. The .com I can sell anyday at 5000+

 

[Josh R]

Oh btw... The Hyundai also costs more to run on a yearly basis.

 

[premkumar]

.com anyday. Learnt from experience, sold many 2 word .com but sold not even single GTLD even after owing 1000+ one word GTLDs. Though got few offer in $10 to $20 range

 

[Samer]

This poll reminds me of Shop(.app) (sold for $200,000) and Shop/App(.com), which are both owned by Shopify. As Shopify currently chooses to use the .app version for its business and let the .com version be unused, I believe Shopify will vote for the .love version.

I think if this poll's respondents are real business owners, the poll result will be quite different.

Yes, whatever helps sleep at night.

voter identities? It actually adds validity to poll.

I stand behind my vote; see; most of the world.
I love having costs down from not having to pay egregious renewal pricing (.car/cars $2k and look up .app renewal pricing; it’s a JOKE.

Long live COM poll solidifies what we know

Samer

 

[bmugford]

You should help him in his threads instead of starting an unauthorized poll.

LOL. "Unauthorized".

Look if you are going to write an article, that uses the domain as an example, it is more than reasonable to have discussion like this.

Brad

 

[Bertrell]

Me:

...and I own a business, lol.

 

[dande]

All you said is just want to escape from the fact that they spent $200,000 to buy and use Shop(.app) and let Shop/App(.com) be unused. $200,000 is a large amount that may need approval from the top executives (CFO/CTO/CMO) in Shopify. Do you think the top executives approved such deal emotionally without a reasonable reason? You should face the fact and think about why Shopify did so.

Perhaps you're making some bad domaining choices and trying so hard to justify it to yourself. The truth is that Shopify can afford to run their App business on ShopApp.com without minding Shop.App but they can't afford to run on only Shop.App without minding the .com. Once .com is secured for redirection, a business can do anything with .anything.

 

[7363824]

I'd take the .com even if the prices were reversed imo.

 

[wurdd]

I just voted for bring dot love because I feel so bad for the new gtlds. LOL

 

[JB Lions]

What a nice thread, @JB Lions ...so to your kind attention:

1. I do not remember I have ever authorized you to publicly discuss my investment domain name Bring / Love, nor I have authorized you to discuss it's quality, or to create public voting on it on Namepros.com. If I would like to get its appraisal from someone here, I would put it to the Appraisal section of this domain forum.

2. I also do not believe you have authorization from Huge / Domains, owner of the BringLove / com to discuss their domain name or to create some voting on it, or to publicly deliberate about their pricing.

3. You personally might like (or not - I sure not) the pricing of some of the domain names in my portfolio, but this does not give you the right to publicly discuss them in this manner.

If you are not aware of it, I am explicitly reminding you to now that I have paid for this domain name, I am paying for its renewals, and it is my personal investment asset.

4. Any further misinformation in this thread which you have created without my authorization (as for example incorrect information and/or insinuations about high renewal price of Bring / Love, as seen in post no.12 from @Samer, while the real renewal price for the name is only $12), plus any other incorrect/non-factual statements in this thread has potential to tamper with reselling value of this domain assets, thus producing financial damage to me.

5. You have been repeatedly attacking my personal reputation in the past (all your posts are recorded and stored at Namepros), now it seems you focused on my domain names.

6. You are long term member here and I believe you must be aware that Namepros threads are being indexed very quickly. Your actions are already influencing Google Search results: see below

Show attachment 163591
The name is already indexed.

In case seller of BringLove / com would like to increase price in future, this thread and the price you stated for the BringLove / com in the thread name can act as a psychological price anchor, thus preventing the potential resale of BringLove / com for the higher price (as the buyer can refer to this thread in negotiation). This might damage the resale value of BringLove / com under some specific circumstances. So you are tampering and potentially damaging their asset too (not sure if you have realized that at all).

7. What you did with Google indexing to BringLove / com, you are of course doing to Bring / Love in an even more serious manner.

8. I do value freedom of speech but in my honest opinion, you are crossing the line here.

9. My suggestion to you: if you want to create heated .com VS new gTLD debate here, sure, why not, but use your own domain names - register word1.word2, then register its counterpart, word1word2.com, PAY for them with your own money, and then you can discuss everything here. But do not start jumping to other investors' domain portfolios (and especially mine) and using their assets for this kind of debate or voting.

10.Thanks for your understanding JB. Saying above, I do respect your opinions about various topics, even they are sometimes strong for my personal taste, and I do many times agree with them (except views you hold on new gTLDs, which I think are almost 100% incorrect). So again, if you miss heated debates, you can go as per point 9.

@Mod Team Alfa @Mod Team Echo @Mod Team Bravo - when time allows that, please kindly check if the thread complies with your platform rules, thank you

You literally used the name in your article. If you don't want people to discuss it, why do you start threads linking to an article talking about it? Because you wanted to promote it.

5. You have been repeatedly attacking my personal reputation in the past (all your posts are recorded and stored at Namepros), now it seems you focused on my domain names.

You mean we have repeatedly gotten in discussions in the past about new gtlds where we disagreed? It's a domain forum, what do you expect to get discussed? You started numerous threads on them in a discussion forum, so discussions happen. That's how forums work.

 

[Sutruk]

This poll reminds me of Shop(.app) (sold for $200,000) and Shop/App(.com), which are both owned by Shopify. As Shopify currently chooses to use the .app version for its business and let the .com version be unused, I believe Shopify will vote for the .love version.

I think if this poll's respondents are real business owners, the poll result will be quite different.

Just for curiosity, in what extension is Shopify running their business?
Maybe .com?
They choosed an .app to run their .app project. But for real bussiness, they choose the only king, the .com

 

[JB Lions]

I think if this poll's respondents are real business owners, the poll result will be quite different.

For the poll results to be quite different, you're saying "real business owners" would pick:

bring.love for $30,000

instead of

bring.com for $3,595

No, they wouldn't. That would be quite insane.

 

[bmugford]

Brad, there are reported sales of top quality word1.word names for over $500 000 at the moment of writing (and not all of those top sales are registry sales, as you know), and we are just at the beginning of new gTLD adoption. which is already very good (especially by big global companies). From this perspective, your 30k is a very nice sale, but nothing so impressive.

There are 119 total new gTLD reported sales over $30K. Only (2) in 2020. Only (5) in 2019.
Not real impressive. Many of these extensions have been around for many years now.

New gTLD -
119 Total Sales
$10.1m Dollar Volume

.COM -
4,216 Total Sales
$748m Dollar Volume

My point is a sale in that range for a new extension is a major outlier. It is not for .COM.

Brad

 

[dande]

On the other hand there is a potentially greater return on new projects which have much smaller market caps and require less capital to push prices higher.

Another huge problem with newGTLDs. They're less popular, has less market caps, but requires more capital to keep and maintain.

 

[GoodKindName]

I think it would be more realistic to compare it differently.

It should be BringLove.com for $30,000 vs Bring.Love for $3,595.

Because this is much closer to the real world situation

 

[mpls]

I think if this poll's respondents are real business owners, the poll result will be quite different.

Here I am.
Real online businesses owner since 2000.
I've built an enormous amount of online business in many niches during the last 20 years.
I've real infield experience.
Nothing theoretically, real experience + MSC in computer science.
That said... What to say? .com every day.
I could call 100 of my contacts (entrepreneurs, IT specialists, Internet marketers, web agencies, ...., ....) and I am sure 100% of them choose .com (for 1/10 of the price and because .com is .com).
Why pay $30k? Why?
If you are a standard business owner not shopify / amazon / ebay / silicon valley's big companies, but a small/medium business (99.99% of the businesses out there) they will never go with .love for $30k (lol!).
And domainers have to target that small/medium companies, not amazon or shopify.
Because they are the major pool of potential buyers.
With $27k less than .love price tag a small/medium company can do a lot of things.
A lot of, useful and great things.
Maybe spend that budget in marketing, SEO, advertising and build a trust brand on .com.
Or they could pay $30k and buy bring dot love but their business will be found only if you type site:bring.love in google.

 

[bmugford]

Your reply further confirms what I said. Your behavior that do not respect others' domains has been a shame in the domaining world. You are a domainer and should know it is a very bad behavior to intentionally devalue others' domains. If really want to discuss, don't use actual domain names. You have been a member here since 2007 and should know that everything written here is indexed in search engines. We can use "Word1.Word2", "Word1Word2.com" or many other forms to try to protect others' domains.

This is my final advice to you to be a good domainer and good human: be ethical, and respect others and others' assets.

"Ethics" are subjective. You are not a moral authority on ethics.

I don't find anything unethical about the discussion of a domain name that someone puts out there in a public article. If you post a public article you are inviting discussion.

Don't play the "victim" card when there is discussion.

Brad

 

[Giroud]

Guys just use DNMask when you post a domain name in a discussion like this, the domain will not be indexed by Google and the domain owner will not be affected negatively by what other NP members say about his domain in the thread.

 

[bmugford]

Those (as @bmugford ) who are saying having only .com is enough for business owners and they would not need any other extension after that, are simply WRONG in 2020. Such statements were true until 2014. but not anymore.

Well, that is your opinion. What is fact though is there is still vastly more money in. COM than new gTLD, especially when it comes to resale. It is not even close.

I am not a .COM snob. I probably own about 30% non .COM, but that is just how the world is.
You are the one who needs a paradigm shift that is not happening after years.

For every website that launches on a new gTLD, more will launch on a .COM.

I own DataCube.com, tell me which other extensions I really need. None.

I do own a few for brand protection, but they are not really needed. The truth is the vast majority of end users are fine with .COM and nothing else.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

I totally agree. Particular your remark about trademarks, this is IMO what most people here still not get it, they have no idea whatsoever .. new gTLD are extremely resilient from this point of view

Well, I think the TM point is moot, especially after the supreme court ruling. I don't really think there is any plus or minus for new extensions there.

It works the other way also. If you develop a new extension where a .COM exists, it is your who might run into TM issues.

The same potential TM issues apply to all extensions.

Brad